Bears and NFL Talk LXVI - Tottenham-bound
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Yes the guy who has always played as an X receiver and was signed as an X receiver shouldn't play X receiver. Gabriel just had a more productive season this year than Patterson has had in his entire career. I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Ben Grimm
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He's like an Oiler first round pick. Great physical tools, but can he play hockey?
Kaners Bald Spot
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I guess I'd just rather develop Ridley and Wims. Gabriel is an ok player but he's not anywhere close to Steve Smith. Patterson has stone hands, I don't argue that point.
Javon Wims sucks ass. Why do you keep talking about him? And no shit he's not Steve Smith. Steve Smith was an all pro
While Patterson doesn't have great hands, I don't think he has stone hands. While he's returned punts (harder) only a couple of times, he does return kickoffs. If I'm not mistaken, it's Patterson's route running that's been his biggest issue. That's why keeping it simple for Patterson is best.
Patterson is what Kevin White should have been at the very least. Unfortunately, Kevin White wasn't as explosive, couldn't run routes, injury prone, and wasn't really good of finding and catching the ball. White didn't have Patterson's instincts.
Kaners Bald Spot
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I love Ridley though. Think he's going to be a solid #2. I disagree that Wims sucks. I think the Bears really like him, and i think he could take a big step this year.
I actually think Gabriel is too short to play on the outside and he was only doing so because of Miller's injury/lack of depth. Because of his size if there is anyone close to Gabriel he's not open. It is easier to find space in the slot than on the outside.
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I don't think Wims is bad. Our staff appears pretty high on him. He runs good routes, big, and catches the ball with his hands. I don't think he'll be a star, but he is a capable possession receiver. What Wims lacks is speed. That's where Gabriel and Hall have the advantage. That said, Gabriel is so small, how much more pounding can he take? Hall is still unproven. All he is is speed at this point.
Miller and Robinson were both hurt last year and freaking Josh Bellamy was playing over Wims. For how much the staff likes him, they sure didn't get him the ball much. The guy had 2 more catches than Bradley Sowell who is an offensive lineman. 32 yards from scrimmage and people think the staff like Wims more than Taylor Gabriel who they just gave $26 million.
Kaners Bald Spot
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Bellamy sucked and they should have been playing Wims over him. I think you would have been surprised. Wims was a rookie and they didn't think he was ready. When he played he made plays. Nagy's system seems very timing based and I completely understand them not trusting Wims to be at the right spot for Mitch. Robinson is a stud when healthy, you have no arguments from me there.
I never understood having both Gabriel and Cohen on the roster last season, and I still don't. Gabriel isn't Tyreek Hill.
Other than being short Cohen and Gabriel are nothing alike.
Kaners Bald Spot
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They're both gadget players. You only have room for one of those on a roster. I get what you're saying, but they serve the same purpose. Gabriel has pure WR skills and Cohen has pure RB skills. I think Gabriel is overpaid and overrated.
Durability is part of the equation. That said, Miller and Robinson are better talents. There's a reason why both were 2nd round draft picks.
Who's saying Wims is better than Gabriel ... at least right now? The Bears need Gabriel's speed. However, the dude takes a pounding due to his size and is 28 this year. There's a reason the Bears have an out on his contract after this year after $14mn guaranteed. Only half his contract is guaranteed. There's also a reason the Bears signed another speed insurance in Hall.
Be fair to Wims. He's a 7th round pick with who played 4 games as a rookie. That's pretty good. Jeff Dickerson says Wims is still definitely in the Bears plans and are very happy with him. Things could change ... but I don't think the Ridley selection was any indication on Wims.
IMO, the Bears are going to try to keep Miller, Wims, and Ridley somehow or another. Guaranteed contracts say Robinson, Gabriel, and Patterson are on the team next year. Davis, Montgomery, and Cohen are definitely RBs. That leaves probably two more spots at the WR/RB positions. Don't forget, a player like Nall can be hidden on the practice squad again. I don't think a team's going to pick him up if they didn't do it last year.
b1e9a8r5s
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Cordell Patterson is much more of a "Gadget player" than either guy.
You keep saying that about Gabriel and I literally have no idea why. He's an outside receiver and has been one his entire career. Cohen I would agree is more of a gadget player.
Kaners Bald Spot
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If he's not he needs to play in the slot. He's too smurfy to play outside, IMO. As soon as they get someone with decent size to take the top off of a defense he's gone. His only purpose as an outside receiver is to blow past DBs.
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DisgruntledHawkFan
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But he’s done it his entire career. He’s been productive there. Here and in Atlanta.
Kaners Bald Spot
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Yes, and that is why he got $14M guaranteed to play for the Bears for 2 seasons. I don't think he sucks or is bad, he's just one dimensional. TG's only assets are his speed and hands.
MurrayBannerman
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Specialization isn't bad, especially when you get into the Gabriel class of player.
Because Ridley is not the kind of prospect you make a spot on the roster for. I would not be surprise if Ridley does not make the team. Quite frankly, I'm not all that high on him as a player.
MurrayBannerman
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The Bears picked him in the 4th round. They're the ones who are "high" on him.
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Uhhhh, those are 2 good traits to be a WR in the NFL level tho...
But yea, he's gonna be a cap casualty in the very near future. Am surprised Pace has not traded him for a 7th round pick...
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