Bears and NFL Talk LXVI - Tottenham-bound

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Yep. Also there's a 8.5 million dead cap hit if they release him. He's definitely staying.

I think he's getting traded to a team that loses WRs in camp.

 

[clydesdale line]

I think he's getting traded to a team that loses WRs in camp.

I highly, highly doubt that.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I highly, highly doubt that.

Who doesn't make the team then? Hall or Wims? I don't think that they'll be able to sneak either player through waivers. I haven't seen Hall play but by all accounts he was rated a 3rd or 4th round talent and went undrafted due to injury concerns. Both guys have decent upside and I'd rather not lose one of them. We'll have to see Hall play in TC but if he shows something and healthy then they're in a quandary

 

[Idionym]

Last year's 53 man roster had:

2 QBs
5 RBs (including the FB)
6 WR
4 TE
9 OL

If they do the same thing this year:

QB:
Trub
Daniel

RB:
Montgomery
Davis
Nall

Offensive Weapon:
Cohen
Patterson

WR:
AR12
Gabriel
Miller
Ridley
Wims
Emanuel Hall (UDFA)

TE:
Burton
Shaheen
Braunecker
Dax Raymond (UDFA)

And then 9 OL.

 

[RayP]

Just looked at the first round picks.... lol Giants.

 

[TheSting]

Robinson being gone depends on how Wims develops. Robinson is an absloute stud receiver and you saw it last season after he returned from his mid season injury. He was coming of an ACL and will turn 26 during training camp. He has already put up a season of 1400+yds and 15 TD with Bortles throwing him the ball. Don't count him out as a long term piece. I think he gets one more deal from the Bears, as long as he stays healthy this season. They only gave him a 3 year contract to protect themselves with him coming off of a major injury. Should Robinson have as good of a season as I think he will, they're going to tear up that last year in a 5 yr extension.

I think it is likely Gabriel gets traded as he's a gadget player, and he and Cohen are redundant on this roster.

Say wut? Cohen is a stud.

Cohen is a threat at RB, split out as WR (no lineback or safety can cover him 1 on 1, and also returns punts and kicks.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Say wut? Cohen is a stud.

Cohen is a threat at RB, split out as WR (no lineback or safety can cover him 1 on 1, and also returns punts and kicks.

Cohen does everything that Gabriel does better than Gabriel. Of course Cohen is a stud. I don't have a problem with Cohen, I have a problem with Gabriel who is a poor man's Cohen. That is why TG is redundant. Plus Patterson can do what TG does as a WR. There is no use for Gabriel on the Bears roster when they already have Cohen and Patterson.

 

[Idionym]

Cohen does everything that Gabriel does better than Gabriel. Of course Cohen is a stud. I don't have a problem with Cohen, I have a problem with Gabriel who is a poor man's Cohen. That is why TG is redundant. Plus Patterson can do what TG does as a WR. There is no use for Gabriel on the Bears roster when they already have Cohen and Patterson.

I see where you're coming from but I'm going to have to disagree here.

Gabriel can play WR. He can line up on the outside and run a full route tree. Is he a great WR? No, he's fine, but he can still play the position.

Ignoring Cohen because Cohen lines up at RB more than WR, Patterson and Gabriel are different. Patterson isn't great at being a WR. He's more of an offensive weapon in that you do things to try and get him the ball out in space. Screens, slants, jet sweeps, etc. He's not crisp enough as a WR to line up as your #2 on the outside and have him go out and do anything aside from maybe a go route or something. Gabriel is still a better WR than Patterson. They fill different roles.

I think Gabriel is replaceable but I think having him for next year is good. Give Ridley/Wims some touches this year, let them grow, and then you can have
#1: AR12
#2: Ridley/Wims (whoever wins the battle)
Slot: Miller
#4 Ridley/Wims
#5: Emanuel Hall (his floor looks to be a one-dimensional speedster which is fine as a #5)

I don't think Ridley/Wims are ready to be #2s yet. Just give them a year and then let them supplant Gabriel as the #2.

 

[piteus]

Who doesn't make the team then? Hall or Wims? I don't think that they'll be able to sneak either player through waivers. I haven't seen Hall play but by all accounts he was rated a 3rd or 4th round talent and went undrafted due to injury concerns. Both guys have decent upside and I'd rather not lose one of them. We'll have to see Hall play in TC but if he shows something and healthy then they're in a quandary

There's always IR. Teams have a way of hiding young talent while trying to develop them.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I see where you're coming from but I'm going to have to disagree here.

Gabriel can play WR. He can line up on the outside and run a full route tree. Is he a great WR? No, he's fine, but he can still play the position.

Ignoring Cohen because Cohen lines up at RB more than WR, Patterson and Gabriel are different. Patterson isn't great at being a WR. He's more of an offensive weapon in that you do things to try and get him the ball out in space. Screens, slants, jet sweeps, etc. He's not crisp enough as a WR to line up as your #2 on the outside and have him go out and do anything aside from maybe a go route or something. Gabriel is still a better WR than Patterson. They fill different roles.

I think Gabriel is replaceable but I think having him for next year is good. Give Ridley/Wims some touches this year, let them grow, and then you can have
#1: AR12
#2: Ridley/Wims (whoever wins the battle)
Slot: Miller
#4 Ridley/Wims
#5: Emanuel Hall (his floor looks to be a one-dimensional speedster which is fine as a #5)

I don't think Ridley/Wims are ready to be #2s yet. Just give them a year and then let them supplant Gabriel as the #2.

IMO Gabriel isn't open unless he's wide open. If TG were 5-11 he'd be great. He's too smurfy.

 

[Illinihockey]

Cohen does everything that Gabriel does better than Gabriel. Of course Cohen is a stud. I don't have a problem with Cohen, I have a problem with Gabriel who is a poor man's Cohen. That is why TG is redundant. Plus Patterson can do what TG does as a WR. There is no use for Gabriel on the Bears roster when they already have Cohen and Patterson.

This is so dumb. Cohen is nothing like Gabriel, even when he splits out he doesn’t play the same position

 

[Illinihockey]

Javon Wims barely made the team last year, he did next to nothing, and people have him playing over the Bears best receiver last year. Amazing

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

This is so dumb. Cohen is nothing like Gabriel, even when he splits out he doesn’t play the same position

Even though they use Gabriel outside, they shouldn't. When TG is outside he's not open unless he's wide open, and that is a problem in today's NFL. Patterson can run the fly routes that TG runs. Does TG have better hands than Patterson? Definitely. However TG isn't open enough to use them because he's so short. If Gabriel was used properly he'd be used similar to Cohen and Cohen is better.

 

[piteus]

Javon Wims barely made the team last year, he did next to nothing, and people have him playing over the Bears best receiver last year. Amazing

I believe the staff is high on Wims. He's a big body in the Robinson mold. Good route runner with hands. Ridley and Miller are more slot WRs. Gabriel is a gadget guy. Patterson is a RB/WR like Cohen. I think the Bears love Hall's speed.

The competition is really going to come at RB. Montgomery and Davis are givens. The rest ... who knows how many RBs the Bears keep. That's why I wished the Bears take a OL with one of their 7th round picks instead.

Expect one of our young receivers to find themselves on IR. If not, Hall's contract is only guaranteed for $645K.

 

[TheSting]

Cohen does everything that Gabriel does better than Gabriel. Of course Cohen is a stud. I don't have a problem with Cohen, I have a problem with Gabriel who is a poor man's Cohen. That is why TG is redundant. Plus Patterson can do what TG does as a WR. There is no use for Gabriel on the Bears roster when they already have Cohen and Patterson.

Gabriel was brought in to stretch the field. He is supposedy their fastest WR. Now if the dink and dunk QB can't make that deep ball happen is a different story. But yea, given his cap hit and the influx of WR's the Bears continue to draft every year Gabe will eventually be a cap casualty alongside many others once Mitch gets paid.

Two, 100 million roster players will eventually take its tow which is why I think the Bears window 3 years max for a deep playoff run.

IF Eddie Jackson continues his turnover ways, he is going to be offered HUGE MONEY in open free agency and will likely be gone.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Javon Wims barely made the team last year, he did next to nothing, and people have him playing over the Bears best receiver last year. Amazing

Their best receiver was Robinson, followed by Miller. Gabriel might have had more catches but Robinson and Miller had far more impact

 

[TheSting]

Their best receiver was Robinson, followed by Miller. Gabriel might have had more catches but Robinson and Miller had far more impact

Robinson was a surprise. I don't see Miller being around beyond his rookie contract if his shoulder keeps popping out in non contact plays.

 

[BK]

Robinson was a surprise. I don't see Miller being around beyond his rookie contract if his shoulder keeps popping out in non contact plays.

He had surgery to correct it this offseason.

 

[Idionym]

Ridley and Miller are more slot WRs.

Ridley is not quick enough to be a slot guy. I think he can only be an outside guy, so he tops out as a solid #2 IMO.

 

[piteus]

Ridley is not quick enough to be a slot guy. I think he can only be an outside guy, so he tops out as a solid #2 IMO.

Who knows? I heard he can possibly play the slot because of his route running and hands. I don't remember much about Riley Ridley except his performance against Bama in the 2018 Natty game.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/b...-wide-receiver-riley-ridley-fourth-round-pick

 

[Idionym]

Who knows? I heard he can possibly play the slot because of his route running and hands. I don't remember much about Riley Ridley except his performance against Bama in the 2018 Natty game.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/b...-wide-receiver-riley-ridley-fourth-round-pick

I guess I always view slot guys as really quick more so than great route runners but I could definitely be wrong.

 

[bayshoni]

Late rounds picks are late round picks. I get the CB selections ... but the Bears couldn't pick 1 OL in the draft? It's always best to always reload with 1 OL in every draft. Long and Massie aren't getting any younger. It's best we try to create some long term depth / competition.

History says signing free agent OLs are expensive. Drafting home grown edger rushers, CBs, and OLs (especially Tackles) are ways to manage the cap. The 2nd best rookie RB last year was an undrafted free agent.

The Bears drafted 2 RBs, 2 CBs, and a WR. It wasn't the most efficient draft although the Ridley might be a sleeper.

That said, how many receivers with guaranteed contracts will be at camp? Robinson, Gabriel, Patterson, Miller, Wims, Ridley, Marvin Hall ... and Cohen & Burton can play WR too. Not including Gentry plus practice squad guys. They will be cut.

At RB, the Bears under pro contracts are Montgomery, Davis, and Cohen. Patterson was also supposed to play some snaps at RB. Now Whyte, Nall, and Mizzell will be fighting for 1 or 0 spots.

It's an interesting heavy mix at WR and RB. Perhaps the Bears could have allocated 1 of the draft picks from the WR/RB side to OL?

Five OL signed as UDFA. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of these guys eventually make the 53-man roster.

 

[Malagahawks]

What are some grades you would give this year's draft? I would say A because in tbeory Mack & Miller were our 1st/2nd picks this year and the other picks are excellent.

 

[HeisenBaez]

I think him saying Ridley is a PS guy its nutzo. He was rated as a late 2nd/ealy 3rd by most sites. Ridley has a shot to displace Gabriel this season. Ithink they're setting up for a future WR corps of Robinson/Ridley/Miller/Wims/Hall. Those are the guys that will make the team, along with Patterson. Gabriel is gone, IMO. His limitations were shown last year and Cohen and Patterson can do everything that Gabriel can better than him.

It's not nutzo, it's also not likely but I can't find a spot on the team for Riley. The Bears are not trading Gabriel until they get a good look at Riley in game action. So AT BEST, Ridley makes it as a 5/6 WR. Riley is a good prospect but it also would not surprise me if he does end up on the PS.

I like Ridley as a prospect but I cannot find a spot on the team for him.

 

[piteus]

It's not nutzo, it's also not likely but I can't find a spot on the team for Riley. The Bears are not trading Gabriel until they get a good look at Riley in game action. So AT BEST, Ridley makes it as a 5/6 WR. Riley is a good prospect but it also would not surprise me if he does end up on the PS.

I like Ridley as a prospect but I cannot find a spot on the team for him.

Let's hold up a bit. We haven't even seen Ridley in a preseason game. I have a hard time seeing the Bears cutting a 4th rounder in a 5 man draft. That would be a PR disaster. He's going to get the benefit of the doubt. That said, I could see one of the receivers getting a mysterious injury and going on IR.

Riley won't end up on the practice squad. A team will pick him up if he is cut to be eligible for the practice squad.