Have you ever watched Othmann? I can't even with these takes, it's like Othmann came out of junior b and nobody has ever watch him play until he came to Hartford. He hasn't even entered his "early days" with regards to nhl. Did you watch miller when he came in the league? This also is a weird take, Miller wasn't anywhere near the player he was then, no thought of it ever happening, he was more of a Dubinsky style player than he was the current version. Like it's OK if people never watched Othmann play hockey until last year but don't make that one year paint a very successful career thus far.