Barzal or Dobson? Who would you rather see traded?

[Tahoeblue]

Neither

 

[seabass45]

Hmmmmm…

 

[BarzyClub]

Neither

Agree. I wouldn’t trade Dobson for Petersson because of the hole it would open up on the d. Plus Dobson’s upside is enormous.Also, top pair RD are hard to come by.

We all know EP’s stats would fall on the isles as well so I see him and Barzal as being somewhat equivalent . Barzal on Van could be a 100 pt player so I wouldn’t do the trade 1-1 either as there is really no benefit to it ( unless Barzy wants to go back home).

Let Van work their problems out , likely with the Rangers . We need fresh blood everywhere , from management to the NHL team to Bridgeport . Stay the course, trade the vets for picks / young players and reload via FA’s in the off-season.

 

[Throttle]

Hmmmmm…

Cool, the Isles have Barzal and Czikas for EP40.

End the Barzal experiment (and his contract) and move on from a declining player that’s part of the old core.

 

[Chockey22]

Barzal for EP does nothing to change the direction of this team; in my view they are largely interchangeable. Although obviously they play a different style of game, their relative impacts on the game are very similar. Their playoffs stats are virtually identical. The Isles with EP rather than Barzy it is still a deeply flawed roster that now has 3 million fewer cap dollars to spend. I’d rather see a coherent plan to retool than exchange one overpaid Center for another.

 

[Throttle]

Let’s keep the guy with 3 goals this season, 2 of them are empty netters. That’s the Isles highest paid player right there. Add in they are 2-5 since his return.

So, trading him gets you out from under his contract, all the nonsense on trying to find the perfect pet for him to pass too, minimal impact on the PP, OT, and shoutout. Yeah, it’s time to move on and CHANGE the composition of the team.

If Nelson goes, then you need to add scoring (again). You shift the team to a shot first team vs. a I’m gonna thread the needle that rarely works team. It 100% changes the direction of the team.

 

[Green]

Am I reading things, people really want to trade Barzal for JT Miller? It's almost like people want the Islanders to suck for the next 2 decades, you trade Barzal for picks and prospects, not a guy who is 31

 

[Green]

Regardless the team needs a complete rebuild, no one should be traded for if they are over 23, George can stay, the rest of the team especially the pukes who did nothing after Domi elbowed George can go, looking at Horvat who saw the whole up close, trade him back to Vancouver if they want a center

 

[seabass45]

Am I reading things, people really want to trade Barzal for JT Miller? It's almost like people want the Islanders to suck for the next 2 decades, you trade Barzal for picks and prospects, not a guy who is 31

Nobody here has said that.

 

[beach]

Barzy shows a pulse in the playoffs

That won't be a benefit going forward.

 

[MJF]

Barzal for EP does nothing to change the direction of this team; in my view they are largely interchangeable. Although obviously they play a different style of game, their relative impacts on the game are very similar. Their playoffs stats are virtually identical. The Isles with EP rather than Barzy it is still a deeply flawed roster that now has 3 million fewer cap dollars to spend. I’d rather see a coherent plan to retool than exchange one overpaid Center for another.

Things won't get fixed in one trade but this is a start. What Barzal for Pettersson does is give Bo Horvat the player he had his best years with, as well as makes a major change to the Islanders core. This is one of the moves that changes the room. The rest of the flaws get fixed hopefully by a new GM who brings a new set of ideas for constructing the roster.

Am I reading things, people really want to trade Barzal for JT Miller? It's almost like people want the Islanders to suck for the next 2 decades, you trade Barzal for picks and prospects, not a guy who is 31

I haven't seen anything like that.

 

[Chockey22]

Things won't get fixed in one trade but this is a start. What Barzal for Pettersson does is give Bo Horvat the player he had his best years with, as well as makes a major change to the Islanders core. This is one of the moves that changes the room. The rest of the flaws get fixed hopefully by a new GM who brings a new set of ideas for constructing the roster.


I haven't seen anything like that.

So now instead of searching for players to make Barzal the player he is paid to be, we are trading for players to make Horvat the player he is paid to be? I’m not opposed to a Barzal for EP swap, value wise it’s fine - but it’s really just shuffling deck chairs. And I think this is a case of people thinking that any change is a good change - while I guarantee EP becomes the whipping boy Barzal has become within a year or two. Watch the Canucks regularly, and you’ll see it.

 

[IslandersGER]

Barzal by a mile

 

[On Edge]

If I had to chose one, I ship Barzal. He is 27 and in his prime. This is who he is - at least here. I do find it fun to think about him and Cole Eiserman playing together but I don’t think they would be right fit either. As said in another post, keep Dobson and get him coached right. Defensemen - esp with offensive talent - are hard to come by and take longer to find game. Barzal has found his for better or worse. Seattle, Vancouver, San Jose would be far better fits for him.

I just want to also say, Barzal is so exciting to see when he is at his best. But, this team needs a change in personality, coaching, and GM. Do Barzy a favor and get right return to help with established player (under 27) who would be better fit for the team makeup.

The fact that more than once, this team played better when he was out injured is no coincidence. That’s just my opinion but he would be far better fit else where.

 

[MJF]

So now instead of searching for players to make Barzal the player he is paid to be, we are trading for players to make Horvat the player he is paid to be? I’m not opposed to a Barzal for EP swap, value wise it’s fine - but it’s really just shuffling deck chairs. And I think this is a case of people thinking that any change is a good change - while I guarantee EP becomes the whipping boy Barzal has become within a year or two. Watch the Canucks regularly, and you’ll see it.

I think it’s easier to supplement a player like Horvat, who plays a more north-south game, than it is to supplement Barzal.

Barzal is best suited to play in a 3 on 3 league somewhere.

 

[Glorydays22]

Why can't we just wait before we decide any of this? We know that Lou will step down after this year. There were reports mgmt was split on him coming back this year. We get a new GM and coach. Before hand, we gain good assests by trading Brock and Parms. We gain 13M in salary those guys, Martin and Reilly gone. Go into the offseason working on a FULL detailed plan on how this team, roster and organization will be handled

Doesn't that make more sense?

 

[On Edge]

I think it’s easier to supplement a player like Horvat, who plays a more north-south game, than it is to supplement Barzal.

Barzal is best suited to play in a 3 on 3 league somewhere.

I REALLY like the idea of Eiserman with Horvat.

 

[MJF]

Why can't we just wait before we decide any of this? We know that Lou will step down after this year. There were reports mgmt was split on him coming back this year. We get a new GM and coach. Before hand, we gain good assests by trading Brock and Parms. We gain 13M in salary those guys, Martin and Reilly gone. Go into the offseason working on a FULL detailed plan on how this team, roster and organization will be handled

Doesn't that make more sense?

Just because it could be an opportunity lost to bring in a talent like Pettersson. I don’t expect him to still be available in the summer. I would hate to risk it.

 

[Throttle]

If I had to chose one, I ship Barzal. He is 27 and in his prime. This is who he is - at least here. I do find it fun to think about him and Cole Eiserman playing together but I don’t think they would be right fit either. As said in another post, keep Dobson and get him coached right. Defensemen - esp with offensive talent - are hard to come by and take longer to find game. Barzal has found his for better or worse. Seattle, Vancouver, San Jose would be far better fits for him.

I just want to also say, Barzal is so exciting to see when he is at his best. But, this team needs a change in personality, coaching, and GM. Do Barzy a favor and get right return to help with established player (under 27) who would be better fit for the team makeup.

The fact that more than once, this team played better when he was out injured is no coincidence. That’s just my opinion but he would be far better fit else where.

Why doesn’t Barzal do the Islanders a favor and play hockey where other players can actually play him?

Moving to another team ain’t going to magically make Barzal better or better suited. It’s him that has to change his game and he just will not do so.

So, best pass the problem onto someone else.

 

[doublechili]

Barzal for EP does nothing to change the direction of this team; in my view they are largely interchangeable. Although obviously they play a different style of game, their relative impacts on the game are very similar. Their playoffs stats are virtually identical. The Isles with EP rather than Barzy it is still a deeply flawed roster that now has 3 million fewer cap dollars to spend. I’d rather see a coherent plan to retool than exchange one overpaid Center for another.

One kinda off the wall thing about trading Barzal (+?) for Pettersson - you wouldn't want Barzal and Marner on the same team, however EP and Marner would not clash. That's probably a pipedream, and you'd have a lot of Cap tied up in two guys. But the team would have some elite talent at the top for a change. Basically swap out Barzal, Nelson and Palmieri (plus something else) for EP and Marner. Get a few prospects/picks by dealing away Nelson and Palmieri, so you'd up the talent level dramatically and replenish the pipeline. Okay, I'll wake up now.

 

[seafoam]

I like the Idea of sending Dobson and JGP (1mile retained) to LAK. What's the return though? Spence is an expendable piece. They will have a first this year but what's the value. Is Greentree a piece?

West is up for grabs. LA with sone adds can certainly compete,

Not loving Barzal these days but we lose our second line at or after the deadline. Horvat centers line one next year and Baezal two,

I'm ok without Dobson.

Why do they need Dobson when they have Clarke?

 

[BelovedIsles]

I REALLY like the idea of Eiserman with Horvat.

From what I’ve read and seen, Eiserman needs someone to gain the zone and feed him the puck. With that said, I hope he continues to develop his all-round offensive game so he doesn’t become so reliant on others.

 

[crashthenet]

Why do they need Dobson when they have Clarke?

I can't speak to Doughty's return but it gives them a lot of flexibility in the back. Gavrikov comes off the books next year so they have cap room to retain. JGP a very good depth add for this year with bottom 6 spots available next year

I think LA looks good and could be a real threat with an add or two. I also think the vets have a little road left so setting up for this year and next might be worth an asset or two.

 

[crashthenet]

From what I’ve read and seen, Eiserman needs someone to gain the zone and feed him the puck. With that said, I hope he continues to develop his all-round offensive game so he doesn’t become so reliant on others.

Perhaps we are looking at

Lee- Horvat -Duclair
Tsyp-Barzal-Homstrom/Eiserman

With the potential departure of Nelson and Palmieri, it will be a challenge to create a top 9.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

I think it’s easier to supplement a player like Horvat, who plays a more north-south game, than it is to supplement Barzal.

Barzal is best suited to play in a 3 on 3 league somewhere.

This is part of the NYI strategy of "just get to OT" over the last few years.