GloryDaze4877
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I'm with you on this.
Team gives up only two goals, they should win the majority of those games.
Post-Game Talk: Bart on the ice for the final minute..... Avs win in the final minute
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I'm with you on this.
Team gives up only two goals, they should win the majority of those games.
And he blew the save because Nomad bobbled a grounder, threw late and low to Vaughn who couldn't scoop it allowing the inherited runner that Pedro walked to score. About the same level of responsibility Bart had here.
EverettMike
FIRE DON SWEENEY INTO THE SUN
I'm not going to keep debating this with you. We disagree. How many times can we disagree before you don't care? For me it is apparently 5 times.
that whole play was a mess, and shows how much of a mess our team was on defensive coverage.
including bergie.
But, bottom line is any defenseman with some hockey sense, doesnt leave a man behind him like that. in front of the net. you stay at the front of the net and keep the play in front of you.
looks like he tried telling bergie to cover the slot guy. Bergie obviously didnt hear him or see his motioning. But Bart still shouldnt of left his post. Especially with 2 seconds left. a smart defenseman knows the time and what can be done in said time.
also-m bart has no business being out there under a minute in a tie game.
including bergie.
But, bottom line is any defenseman with some hockey sense, doesnt leave a man behind him like that. in front of the net. you stay at the front of the net and keep the play in front of you.
looks like he tried telling bergie to cover the slot guy. Bergie obviously didnt hear him or see his motioning. But Bart still shouldnt of left his post. Especially with 2 seconds left. a smart defenseman knows the time and what can be done in said time.
also-m bart has no business being out there under a minute in a tie game.
GloryDaze4877
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I guess? I would say that he might when he has a veteran D partner behind him?
Would any d-man with some hockey sense cover a guy with 299 career goals directly in front of the net rather than play in between him and a d-man with 36 career goals?
Just sayin'...
Mike, FYI I'm starting to get sick of this, might take a few more posts
Shoebottom
Bruin exiting lair
Blaming Bart for that goal is silly. Bergy, seids put him in that situation. Even Svedberg could've done a better job of poking the puck away.
Jean_Jacket41
Neely = HOF
You forgot Marchand who is responsible for the puck being in our end with his horrible pass that got intercepted at center ice with 30 seconds to go.
Sea Bass Neely
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Many people here are not even mentioning (much less harping on) Bergeron or any forward, at least not until some of us are defending everyone's favorite scapegoat... THEN some acknowledge other failings in subsequent replies. I don't mean everyone, or even you, just saying in general.
But seriously-- it shouldn't be that surprising some here (including me) have defended Bart in this thread. How often is one player singled out in the Post-game Thread in a manner that suggests/implies the said player was literally the reason for the loss??
"______ on the ice for the final minute, [Bruins lose] in the final minute"... That's about as much as you can single one player out as possible.
Bartkowski wasn't the reason why we lost... this team should be winning games in which they allow 2 goals. I guess that is what passes as being fair to Bart around this place.
TheBigBadB
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How is this still a topic? Bart came out and admitted he was wrong. How much more do you need??! 
Well, we all know how consistent Bergy is. He rarely makes a mistake. But that's not the point. It's about this play specifically - not track records - and where the D coverage breakdown began on that play, and that's with Bergy. His mistake basically put Bart in a no-win situation.
But the track record of this place is that some people need a whipping boy and they'll zero in on their target regardless of where the real accountabilities lie. People mentioned Bergy's mistake but also seemed to be turning themselves into contortionists to make sure the blame landed on Bartkowski.
If Bart had held his post close to the net? It's such a secondary issue because then the puck could easily have ended up on the stick on an uncovered Tanguay - and we're still back to discussing who made the error that lost the game.
Bergeron covers his guy, and we're having a different conversation: probably discussing who makes the mistake that blows the game in OT, or why Spooner didn't score in the shootout.
Was thinking the same thing. Maybe they did, and it just didn't make it into the press, but at the very least I hope those vets said something in the room by way of a mea culpa. I can't imagine they didn't.
How is this still a topic? Bart came out and admitted he was wrong. How much more do you need??!
Bart took one for the team.
It seems that in the media, holding Bergeron accountable for his mistake is taboo and rather than create a crap storm, Bart put the blame solely on himself.
Speaks volumes of his character and the kind of teammate he is.
GloryDaze4877
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Would seem out of character. More likely after Bart said it was his fault, nobody asked.
EverettMike
FIRE DON SWEENEY INTO THE SUN
Hali33
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Agreed.
Also this game really should have been a 3-1 loss so while that goal was a classic last minute Bruins **** up, their lack of offense is what killed them.
GloryDaze4877
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Totally off topic, but Dan and I were talking yesterday and throwing stuff around jokingly.
Would you deal Bergeron for Coyle and Brodin?
I said no to PB, but yes to DK.
Everybody knows I dont believe in untouchable players.
But Bergeron is about damn close as I can get.
I dont trade him.
GloryDaze4877
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CombatOnContact
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For Krejci maybe.. but I don't know why Minny would do that deal. They have Koivu and Granlund. Krejci isn't a 3C.
trenton1
Bergeron for Hart
Tough combination. Star center playing injured, solid defender in 4th game in 10 months, an AHL defenseman and a rookie goalie.
I really wasn't expecting better. In fact, I would have counted the other Avs goal and just ended this mess earlier.
I really wasn't expecting better. In fact, I would have counted the other Avs goal and just ended this mess earlier.
GloryDaze4877
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Like I said, just tossing stuff around.
Besides, in "hypotheticals", it only has to work for the Bruins
