For you to place blame on one single player for not performing that means you're expecting a McDavid lvl performance from Kyrou and that explains why you think he's not worth his contract, you think he should be performing to McDavids lvl. He makes 8 mill, not 14 mill.
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For you to place blame on one single player for not performing that means you're expecting a McDavid lvl performance from Kyrou and that explains why you think he's not worth his contract, you think he should be performing to McDavids lvl. He makes 8 mill, not 14 mill.
AjaxManifesto
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I blind man could see this coming.
Now someone go fetch my white cane
Now someone go fetch my white cane
This isn’t an impressive list at all. I would say all of these are highly questionable.
Neighbours was already starting to break out and become a legit player under Berube. I think Jake has just been following the natural progression the Blues expected from him as a 1st round pick. And there are still flaws in his game that he needs to improve upon.
Hofer: the head coach doesn’t develop goalies. That has very little correlation. And Hofer showed promise as a prospect before he played for Bannister anyways.
Walker and Toropchenko are 4th line guys. They’re the same they were a couple years ago, they looked the same under Berube.
Perunovich’s best hockey came as a rookie under Berube. Since then, he’s dealt with injuries and confidence issues. A lot remains to be seen with him.
Kessel did well under Bannister in the AHL but he has regressed this season it seems. Either way, he isn’t very good and is a 3rd pairing guy at best so it doesn’t really matter either way.
Crediting Bannister for Bolduc is rather laughable. His first season in the AHL was pretty mediocre. In the NHL it’s been up and down, and Bannister isn’t even playing him lately. That’s certainly not helping his development.
Walman? I mean he had one decent season in the AHL with Bannister. Since then he’s made the NHL but has been on 3 teams and has gotten healthy scratched some on San Jose, one of the worst teams in the league. So what even is he? If anything, Detroit got the most out of him so I would credit their coaches more. Walman had high potential it seemed when he was in college so we certainly didn’t get what we could have out of him.
Kyrou was already a good offensive player and maybe Bannister helped him round out his game defensively but judging by Armstrong’s comments, that was either going to happen with Kyrou or he was going to be traded. He didn’t have much of a choice and I think that’s just natural maturation of a player.
I can’t point to a single guy on this list and say “yeah, Bannister made a big difference with that player.” And this isn’t me trying to shit on Bannister because as fans we don’t have all the info, but even you admit yourself a lot of those are questionable. That list essentially contains a bunch of players who are still question marks, and Jordan Kyrou. That’s really it.
You are also not mentioning some of the players that ended up as disappointments. What about Alexandrov? What about Kostin? What about Dean (so far)? Why didn’t Bannister develop them better?
He overall seemed to do a good job in the AHL but as for being a developmental coach, I’m not seeing it.
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So we went Full Monty! Five years is huge! My biggest takeaway from this is we have a coach that the front office says “this is our guy”. Sends a huge message to everyone on this team . Play his way or your gone . No quiet quitting like happened with the last year of Hitchcock, all of Yeo, and the last year of Berube as well. Seems like the players were checking in and out on banister as well imho.
I would love to see Monty turn this team into a playoff team this year for Stillman but I doubt it happens. Either way Armstrong and Steen are going to see what players fit into Monty’s system and hopefully make better roster decisions moving forward based on that.
Also the coaching stability will be a big part in any success this team has with this new core imho. We needed Hitch last time to pull us out of the losing ways coming out of the tank and set a winning culture hopefully Monty can do the same thing.
I would love to see Monty turn this team into a playoff team this year for Stillman but I doubt it happens. Either way Armstrong and Steen are going to see what players fit into Monty’s system and hopefully make better roster decisions moving forward based on that.
Also the coaching stability will be a big part in any success this team has with this new core imho. We needed Hitch last time to pull us out of the losing ways coming out of the tank and set a winning culture hopefully Monty can do the same thing.
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Now the question I have is... was Bannister even the right choice for Springfield?
I whipped this up earlier today since we have now signed Julien and Monty in the past four months. My Bruins fan friends got a good laugh out of it.
I whipped this up earlier today since we have now signed Julien and Monty in the past four months. My Bruins fan friends got a good laugh out of it.
Brockon
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You've misunderstood the intent of my post.
It was given in response to this post here. Worth noting I glossed over the first part of the sentence and my focus was on the players Bannister had worked with, as opposed to the players who thrived under Bannister.
The intent was to provide a list of the players who he had a hand in developing over his head coach tenure.
I made a few anecdotal observations along the way - which you allude to. But I wasn't trying to butter Bannister up, nor throw him under the bus - just provide some names for discussion in response to a question.
I forgot to list the duds - I went from memory for players and looked up their timelines compared to Bannister's coaching tenure.
Looking at the timeline for Zach Dean - Bannister would have been in position to work with him for the first 24 AHL games of the 2023-24 season and 9 NHL games that year during the stretch drive when the Blues were fighting to grab the last playoff spot in the West. Dean got 88 mins of ice time in 9 games between March 21 and April 17th. There's not a significant amount of time for Dean to work with Bannister - because Dean was in the QJMHL until the summer of 2023.
Kostin - Bannister didn't shine here. Combined with Klim's insistance that he wouldn't play a season in the CHL post draft to acclimate to the North American game and he really struggled initially in the AHL. He never really showed any of the stuff that made him a 1st round pick with any degree of consistency.
Alexandrov - counting stats in the AHL look good, but he doesn't seem to be stepping up into the NHL. I don't think Alexandrov only playing 30 pro games last year helped development. As a late 2nd from 2019 - this is when he should be expected to start being an NHL regular, his career 51 NHL games to date don't support that. His 43-50-93p in 137 AHL games show he's doing something in the AHL. Not sure how much longer he has to step up before he gets left behind.
Edit: My Bolduc comment was poorly worded. The comment mostly Bannister here was in reference to the 50 AHL games and 25 NHL games played, meaning Bannister was his coach for the bulk of the year. I followed it up saying that it was hard to judge how impactful Bannister was/wasn't [on his development because there's nothing else compare it to at the pro level]. I should have elaborated the portion in square brackets here, but it went unsaid. I don't think we'll be able to see how good/bad Bannister was for Bolduc until he's played another 2 seasons - we need to see how Bolduc responds to another coach and progresses. Even then, there's always a chance that the improvement gets attributed to the new coach rather than Bolduc settling in doing what Bannister gave him.
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Do not worry; your response was articulate and informed. I agree with you entirely that Perunovich's stalled development is his own fault, not a result of any mismanagement by Bannister. The only thing I might hang on Bannister is perhaps being overly loyal to his Springfield players like Perunovich. Even that is debatable, however. It could be more of a case of Armstrong doubling down and trying to prove that Perunovich's selection in the draft was a mistake.
Take care of yourself! As I'm sure you are aware, concussions are no joke. I wish you a speedy recovery.
If Bannister was more loyal to his Springfield guys, you'd imagine Peru wouldn't have been scratched the first 7 games of the season and Bolduc would be hitting more than 11min per night and getting scratched in 6 games so far.
In my opinion, Peru's brought more to the table than Kessel and POJ have this year, especially over the last few weeks. For the time being, he's earned bottom pairing time when our roster gets healthy until he plays himself out of it. Which, to be fair, could easily happen at any point given his history.
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You don't think he's looked a lot better lately? Based on what he's shown lately I'd prefer him in the lineup over Joseph or Kessel. He definitely has taken a step forward, but I guess time will tell if it's a big enough step to stick in the lineup full time. Maybe he'll start getting more PP1 time as well since Faulk isn't ideal in that spot.
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Hitch did.
But that was a much different circumstance with him than with Bannister this summer
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Peru has been playing better. He may have some trade value now if he keeps it up.
Also, with Montgomery in does this bode well for our existing assistant coaches? From what I've heard Boston they never gave Montgomery the ability to pick his assistant coaches. Does that mean he wanted specific people in for AC's. Will he want the same thing here?
I hope Ott's days are numbered. Couldn't stand the guy as a player and grit my teeth every time I see him behind the bench and in my opinion, he's part of the problem.
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Its all good. We all want the same thing.
Julien seemed liked a logical option but I was wrong. Armstrong said himself he had no intentions to make a change until Monty became available.
It does prove that he wasnt happy with Bannister.
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Regarding the bolded I have read the same thing. I have no idea if it will be different here as he has already worked with the guys here minus Julien and Weber I think so maybe that familiarity will make it a different situation. With our long commitment to him I also wouldn't be surprised if they let him make some changes in the offseason but I doubt anything would happen before then. As for Ott, he was also here during the cup run and by all accounts he is a good coach, but I wouldn't be too upset if he left either, that said he and Monty have worked together in the past so not sure he would be one to leave.
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it is clearly the fault of Thomas, 4th coach in less than 6 years
Linkens Mastery
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Idk Parayko had Hitch, Yeo, Berube, Bannister, and now Monty
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Late to the party but I was busy yesterday.
I feel bad for Bannister as I feel like he didn’t get a legit shot and this very well could derail his career…BUT, selfishly, I’m thrilled with the move. Loved Monty when he was here.
I had been wondering about this ever since the Bruins fired Monty but gun to my head, I would’ve thought Army would’ve stuck by Bannister. But I’m good with the move.
That said, we shouldn’t completely ignore the issues Monty had in Boston. I think he’s a heck of a coach but every human has weaknesses and blind spots. Hopefully the current Blues assistants are strong in any areas where Monty is a bit deficient. Sort of like how Chief was a great motivator but a little deficient in the Xs and Os department but Monty was excellent at that. It was super noticeable when Monty left.
I’m excited. Don’t expect anything close to an overnight rejuvenation but I found Bannister too conservative and passive. Our offense is sooo boring, predictable, one and done etc. Some of that is the personnel but I think a good chunk of it was the system. The transition to offense just wasn’t there. That’s the main thing I’ll be looking for with this change - how will Monty get them to pick up the pace. Maybe be a little less risk averse.
5 years is big commitment. Bruins have to be thrilled. They had to pay the guy for 5 days he didn’t work there.
I doubt the Blues get so lucky. Good chance the Blues will be paying out the rest of Bannister’s contract IMO. Or maybe he eventually gets an Asst or AHL HC job and the Blues split the difference with the new team, who knows.
I feel bad for Bannister as I feel like he didn’t get a legit shot and this very well could derail his career…BUT, selfishly, I’m thrilled with the move. Loved Monty when he was here.
I had been wondering about this ever since the Bruins fired Monty but gun to my head, I would’ve thought Army would’ve stuck by Bannister. But I’m good with the move.
That said, we shouldn’t completely ignore the issues Monty had in Boston. I think he’s a heck of a coach but every human has weaknesses and blind spots. Hopefully the current Blues assistants are strong in any areas where Monty is a bit deficient. Sort of like how Chief was a great motivator but a little deficient in the Xs and Os department but Monty was excellent at that. It was super noticeable when Monty left.
I’m excited. Don’t expect anything close to an overnight rejuvenation but I found Bannister too conservative and passive. Our offense is sooo boring, predictable, one and done etc. Some of that is the personnel but I think a good chunk of it was the system. The transition to offense just wasn’t there. That’s the main thing I’ll be looking for with this change - how will Monty get them to pick up the pace. Maybe be a little less risk averse.
5 years is big commitment. Bruins have to be thrilled. They had to pay the guy for 5 days he didn’t work there.
I doubt the Blues get so lucky. Good chance the Blues will be paying out the rest of Bannister’s contract IMO. Or maybe he eventually gets an Asst or AHL HC job and the Blues split the difference with the new team, who knows.
I think you guys are missing the real culprit here. And it's under the perfect disguise, the guy that is suppose to be the most responsible for looking after the team's health and well-being.
That's right, it's Ray Barile.
He has had Keenan, Roberts, Quenneville, Kitchen, Murray, Payne, Hitchcock, Yeo, Berube, and Bannister. Monty is simply his next victim.
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Monty just gave one of the best interviews i've heard any coach give in a long, long time. His deep understanding of our organization already is a great starting point. Love the move, love the guy.
Yeah he’s really a breath of fresh air. He’s a character with a huge personality.
And he seems to truly feel a connection to the Blues and this city. Gotta love a guy like that. Hope he can lift a Cup with us years down the road.
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I like how he dodged the question of if we are a playoff team.
"Doug pitched me his vision for the future"
"As a coach, you coach for today but also coach for tommorrow"
Is this team a playoff team? "I'm a process oriented coach and don't think about tommorrow"
Lol
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