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Ballon d'Or 2024-2025 race

If PSG wins the CL (so the treble), he will get it for sure. If Inter wins and Barca wins La Liga, perhaps their guys are back in contention. Salah could also win.

I do not know how much France Football will care about the Club's World Cup, but I would think FIFA will push hard for them to consider that tournament and give it a lot of weight. So I guess that depending on what happens there, someone else could win.
 
For me, Dembele if PSG win UCL. Salah if they don’t. Would not be robbery if Dembele won either way
 
Raphinha is probably the funniest outcome, if only because it would be the second straight year where a guy wins who is not close to the quality of compatriots in the same position who were stuck behind Messi/Ronaldo.

Raphinha is to Neymar as Rodri is to Xavi/Iniesta.
 
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Wee Baby Seamus said:
Raphinha is probably the funniest outcome, if only because it would be the second straight year where a guy wins who is not close to the quality of compatriots in the same position who were stuck behind Messi/Ronaldo.

Raphinha is to Neymar as Rodri is to Xavi/Iniesta.
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Honestly the Raphinha argument reminds me of when people were trying to give it to Jorginho. Raphinha more offense, Jorginho better at international level. And it’s nothing against either of those guys but I don’t think you can give BDo to a guy who isn’t even he own team’s MVP
 
Savant said:
Honestly the Raphinha argument reminds me of when people were trying to give it to Jorginho. Raphinha more offense, Jorginho better at international level. And it’s nothing against either of those guys but I don’t think you can give BDo to a guy who isn’t even he own team’s MVP
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And the Jorginho logic hit its own horrific apex in the insane claims that Dani Carvajal should win the Ballon d'Or last year. If it's trophy counting, then why even bother with player assessment?

At least Jorginho was the MVP of the Italy team.
 
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Wee Baby Seamus said:
Raphinha is probably the funniest outcome, if only because it would be the second straight year where a guy wins who is not close to the quality of compatriots in the same position who were stuck behind Messi/Ronaldo.

Raphinha is to Neymar as Rodri is to Xavi/Iniesta.
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Rodri is much close to Xavi/ Iniesta than Rapha is to Neymar.
 
Savant said:
Honestly the Raphinha argument reminds me of when people were trying to give it to Jorginho. Raphinha more offense, Jorginho better at international level. And it’s nothing against either of those guys but I don’t think you can give BDo to a guy who isn’t even he own team’s MVP
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These odds are CL heavy like why is KK on there ahead of Pedri.

In any case I would agree with you its DEmbouz if he wins if not then its anyones game. I really think people are overrating Salah's numbers, he's had what 11 penalties?
 
Duchene2MacKinnon said:
These odds are CL heavy like why is KK on there ahead of Pedri.

In any case I would agree with you its DEmbouz if he wins if not then its anyones game. I really think people are overrating Salah's numbers, he's had what 11 penalties?
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It's a major shame to me that the post-Messi/Ronaldo Ballon d'Or logic is so completely trophy-dominated! I was so excited for a post-Messi/Ronaldo Ballon d'Or, and I've been so disappointed.

Salah has had 9 penalties in the league, which is a lot but not an insane amount. My main thing with Salah's numbers (which are objectively crazy) is that they are IMO heavily influenced by Liverpool's tactics. He is the offensive pipeline. Their offensive structure is oriented around getting him the ball in places where he can do the decisive element - whether it be scoring himself or delivering the back post cross that Cody Gakpo can throw himself into. He is astonishingly good at it, better than other people would be in that position! But the numbers are boosted by that being the set-up.

It's similar to why I think KdB's assists stats (and, in the opposite direction, Bernardo Silva's, lol) always had to be nuanced. The City system was set up so that he was basically always the final ball - because he is very good at it. But he basically monopolized the final creation on a very creative team.

Other very good offensive players with crazy counting stats (think Palmer last year, and Saka in the first half of this one) I think have also been boosted by team tactics in this regard.
 
I mean cant you say that about every offensive player though? For instance, I was thinking about this yesterday do Barca need a player to replace Raphina? I ask this because how much of his offence can be attributed to Flick's ball out tactics? He had a career year can he replicate that, improve upon it or is this it? Would a more talented player do better?

Even Lamine we saw it last game by the end of it Flick just said pass to Lamine and pray.
 
Wee Baby Seamus said:
It's a major shame to me that the post-Messi/Ronaldo Ballon d'Or logic is so completely trophy-dominated! I was so excited for a post-Messi/Ronaldo Ballon d'Or, and I've been so disappointed.
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Exactly, Bruno Fernandez should win it, I keep saying it and people keep insulting me by calling me a United supporter :D
 
Duchene2MacKinnon said:
I mean cant you say that about every offensive player though? For instance, I was thinking about this yesterday do Barca need a player to replace Raphina? I ask this because how much of his offence can be attributed to Flick's ball out tactics? He had a career year can he replicate that, improve upon it or is this it? Would a more talented player do better?

Even Lamine we saw it last game by the end of it Flick just said pass to Lamine and pray.
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For a lot of them, for sure. But the degree of it is contingent upon the tactics of the team. Liverpool's offensive tactics entirely revolve around Salah as trigger-man.

City were a 'score by committee' team until Haaland, when they re-oriented around Haaland being the receiver of basically every final ball. The tactics play a large role in determining how monopolized your counting stats get.

I do feel like the tactical trend is towards this being increasingly the case. Fine-tuned systems that end up with the same player playing the final determinative part in the majority of instances.
 
Pedri is so far above Raphinha and Jamal that I hope that either one wins to discredit the Balon d'or again, as if 2024, 2023, 2018 were not enough
 
Salah is the best Ballon d'Or 2024-2025 champion candidate. To honor his career. PL. UCL. Etc.

By the way, between 1990-2006 all the 17 Ballon d'Or champions weren't a Champions League winner.
 
Duchene2MacKinnon said:
These odds are CL heavy like why is KK on there ahead of Pedri.

In any case I would agree with you its DEmbouz if he wins if not then its anyones game. I really think people are overrating Salah's numbers, he's had what 11 penalties?
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Penalties count the same as the other ones. But Salah's production is also not tethered to PKs. Salah is one of I think five players in Europe that have 10+ goals and 10+ assists this season. If you took away his PK Goals, he would STILL be 1st in goals for players of this category. And he is outright top for assists. Was saving this for the Trivia Thread but:



He's still going to win his domestic league. He's still going to win player of the season in his domestic league. He's at the minimum the offense MVP of his team. He can still set all time production records in his domestic league. If PSG is the best team this season, LFC has as good an argument as anyone that they were the second best, and there is certainly an argument that only reason LFC is out of Europe early is they got screwed on the draw. If 2 loses to 1...shit happens.
 
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Wee Baby Seamus said:
It's a major shame to me that the post-Messi/Ronaldo Ballon d'Or logic is so completely trophy-dominated! I was so excited for a post-Messi/Ronaldo Ballon d'Or, and I've been so disappointed.
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It's weird because it was that way before those two.
That's how Ronaldo won it in 02. How Cannavaro won it in 06.
Which made the Ribery and Sneijder snobbing even more unusual.
 
Evilo said:
It's weird because it was that way before those two.
That's how Ronaldo won it in 02. How Cannavaro won it in 06.
Which made the Ribery and Sneijder snobbing even more unusual.
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CR7 and Messi were just winning them by default. Not that them winning was every a robbery, but there are definitely some reputation wins in there
 
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CR7 and Messi were just winning them by default. Not that them winning was every a robbery, but there are definitely some reputation wins in there
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Yeah hence the Ribery and Sneijder votes. Especially when you consider the bdo bended its rules for Ronaldo to win it the Ribery year.
 
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Evilo said:
It's weird because it was that way before those two.
That's how Ronaldo won it in 02. How Cannavaro won it in 06.
Which made the Ribery and Sneijder snobbing even more unusual.
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But in those years leading up to Messi/Ronaldo duopoly, the Ronaldo and the Cannavaro were exceptions rather than rule, as I can see.

Take '05 as an example: Ronaldinho wins it when Barca's only trophy is a fairly run of the mill title. They went out in the R16 of the UCL. He beats Lampard - the best player on a team which dominated its domestic league like never before, and made the UCL semi - and Gerrard - the best player on the team which won the UCL.
 
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