Bakersfield Condors 24-25 thread

[McDNicks17]

Carry his own head above water? Bakersfield is ass. Partially due to its coaching and partially due to its composition.

Nobody should expect guys like Carter Savoie or Matvei Petrov to carry a line coming out of Junior. But the whole point of these farm systems is to empower the prospects of the organization and develop the skill sets they possess, which were the reason they were drafted.

This coach has consistently relied on AHL lifers and ECHL role players for the past two season to fill vital roles instead of actual Oiler prospects and it's still resulting in a subpar product.

I'd rather see the team fail with those two and other actual prospects filling larger roles that suit their respective games than watch an AHL coach try and hang on to his job, leaning on half a dozen AHL vets to the same result.

Development requires opportunity. And we're frequently seeing this coach minimize the roles of our very few prospects and the organization willing to cut ties early. It's time to put this area of the organization under the microscope.

That's exactly my point. You said Petrov was carrying two plugs. I'm saying he's just a bust that would probably be out of the lineup when the team is healthy. There's no expectation for him to carry that line. The ECHL players are outplaying him. He's just a body down there until his contract is done.

Chaulk relies on AHL lifers because that's all he's got. When he has actual prospects(Savoie, Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie, etc), they play huge minutes and excel. When he's had a bunch of busts, they've played down the lineup because they aren't even AHL players.

Torpedoing any hope of the team succeeding by force-feeding minutes to busts who clearly don't want to be there like Petrov isn't going to develop anything.

The team is cutting ties early with lots of these guys because the last management group may have been the worst drafting group in NHL history. Send some actual prospects to Bako and you'll see them get opportunity and minutes.

 

[McDNicks17]

There we go. All is well now.

Tyler Pitlick's cousin, Rhett, joins the team. Just finished his NCAA season with 40 points in 39 games for Minnesota State.

 

[McDNicks17]

 

[belair]

That's exactly my point. You said Petrov was carrying two plugs. I'm saying he's just a bust that would probably be out of the lineup when the team is healthy. There's no expectation for him to carry that line. The ECHL players are outplaying him. He's just a body down there until his contract is done.

Chaulk relies on AHL lifers because that's all he's got. When he has actual prospects(Savoie, Holloway, Broberg, Lavoie, etc), they play huge minutes and excel. When he's had a bunch of busts, they've played down the lineup because they aren't even AHL players.

Torpedoing any hope of the team succeeding by force-feeding minutes to busts who clearly don't want to be there like Petrov isn't going to develop anything.

The team is cutting ties early with lots of these guys because the last management group may have been the worst drafting group in NHL history. Send some actual prospects to Bako and you'll see them get opportunity and minutes.

Carrying doesn't necessarily mean succeeding. Perhaps I should've been more clear and said he was dragging them, much like D'Amato's linemates have to on a semi regular basis.

And again, all of these guys are falling short of Carter Savoie's numbers last season. So where exactly is the bar? Chaulk clearly doesn't need help torpedoing any hopes of success. He's done a fine job himself.

And we see a ton of our draftees being targeted by other franchises. I can't fathom why you'd choose to defend the current state of things prospects when we've routinely seen the current staff misidentify what they've got onhand.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Anyone know what happened to Clattenburg?

 

[McDNicks17]

Carrying doesn't necessarily mean succeeding. Perhaps I should've been more clear and said he was dragging them, much like D'Amato's linemates have to on a semi regular basis.

And again, all of these guys are falling short of Carter Savoie's numbers last season. So where exactly is the bar? Chaulk clearly doesn't need help torpedoing any hopes of success. He's done a fine job himself.

And we see a ton of our draftees being targeted by other franchises. I can't fathom why you'd choose to defend the current state of things prospects when we've routinely seen the current staff misidentify what they've got onhand.

Bourgault is flunking out of the AHL and probably a few months from signing in Europe.

Tullio has been so bad in Buffalo that they're paying him to play for Calgary's farm team.

Savoie is in the ECHL and not a single NHL team wants him.

Chiasson is struggling to hit double digit points in the ECHL.


Seems like it's the fans misidentifying what Bako has and not the staff. Petrov is just more of the same. They can't purge Holland/Wright's work fast enough.

 

[midnightcopper]

4th line PKers shouldn't be running on your top line is my point. D'Amato has been one of Chaulk's favorites this season. Meanwhile the actual prospect Matvei Petrov is toiling in the bottom six. No interest in giving this player some confidence, I suppose.

Meanwhile all three of these guys are likely to fall short of Savoie's numbers last season. Was there any reason to believe his production was going to regress?

Really feel for Petrov, was really high on him, but he looks lost down there. I'm not sure it's actually on him.

 

[Senor Catface]

Bourgault is flunking out of the AHL and probably a few months from signing in Europe.

Tullio has been so bad in Buffalo that they're paying him to play for Calgary's farm team.

Savoie is in the ECHL and not a single NHL team wants him.

Chiasson is struggling to hit double digit points in the ECHL.


Seems like it's the fans misidentifying what Bako has and not the staff. Petrov is just more of the same. They can't purge Holland/Wright's work fast enough.

There's something you aren't mentioning.

Several of these guys had decent rookie seasons but went off track after that. That suggests at least part of the problem is development, which comes back to the coach.

I suspect the truth is in the middle of your debate. Not enough talent coming in but the coaching staff in the minors aren't great at developing these guys.

 

[MoontoScott]

Bourgault is flunking out of the AHL and probably a few months from signing in Europe.

Tullio has been so bad in Buffalo that they're paying him to play for Calgary's farm team.

Savoie is in the ECHL and not a single NHL team wants him.

Chiasson is struggling to hit double digit points in the ECHL.


Seems like it's the fans misidentifying what Bako has and not the staff. Petrov is just more of the same. They can't purge Holland/Wright's work fast enough.

Lavoie hasn't had a great season either. He came on after a very slow start but he's what....24 now?

Its quite the list of mistaken judgement(s).

Of all the forwards on the farm, the only one who looks like something (Savoie) wasn't even an Oiler pick.

When you look at the Oiler forwards (when you are picking outside of the top 3 in the draft--Mc-D, Drai and Nuge) there isn't a single Oiler draft pick to be found. Holloway was an exception but we know what happened there.

Some posters say this is getting "pissy" about the club but the draft record speaks for itself. I don't know how anyone can conclude anything different given these lists.

Now the club is facing-to some degree-- a rebuild without much in the way of building blocks. The European leagues seem to be the only viable answer because the NHL free agent signings have been a bust.

 

[McDNicks17]

There's something you aren't mentioning.

Several of these guys had decent rookie seasons but went off track after that. That suggests at least part of the problem is development, which comes back to the coach.

I suspect the truth is in the middle of your debate. Not enough talent coming in but the coaching staff in the minors aren't great at developing these guys.

I would say that happens because they're given more opportunity early when they've got "potential" and then get moved down the lineup when they show they don't have it.

 

[Shizuka]

Anyone know what happened to Clattenburg?

Would like to know as well, didn't see anything official posted about this. It's getting pretty ridiculous though. He played one game. ONE. And he's already injured.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Would like to know as well, didn't see anything official posted about this. It's getting pretty ridiculous though. He played one game. ONE. And he's already injured.

He was probably dinged up from the OHL playoffs but who knows?

 

[Spawn]

Bourgault is flunking out of the AHL and probably a few months from signing in Europe.

Tullio has been so bad in Buffalo that they're paying him to play for Calgary's farm team.

Savoie is in the ECHL and not a single NHL team wants him.

Chiasson is struggling to hit double digit points in the ECHL.


Seems like it's the fans misidentifying what Bako has and not the staff. Petrov is just more of the same. They can't purge Holland/Wright's work fast enough.

The alternative take on this is that these guys were ruined as prospects by their time with our AHL team. First 2-3 years of pro hockey is probably a pretty important time for a guy. To have that completely squandered, especially if you were already a mid-tier prospect, is probably pretty destructive to any potential you might have had.

I think you're probably right that this is mostly on bad drafting.

But, Chaulk has given no indication that he's actually good at developing mid-tier prospects. Especially at forward. I see no reason that you'd continue to employ him beyond this season.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

The alternative take on this is that these guys were ruined as prospects by their time with our AHL team. First 2-3 years of pro hockey is probably a pretty important time for a guy. To have that completely squandered, especially if you were already a mid-tier prospect, is probably pretty destructive to any potential you might have had.

Regardless of their pedigrees, their development should be questioned. Especially heart and soul guys like Tullio.

 

[Spawn]

Regardless of their pedigrees, their development should be questioned. Especially heart and soul guys like Tullio.

Yep agree. There is lots of reasons to question this teams drafting. I agree with McDnicks that it's terrible. But Chaulk hasn't done anything to suggest he's part of the solution. Maybe all he's been given has been lemons. But he sure as shit isn't making lemonade out of it.

 

[CupofOil]

Bourgault is flunking out of the AHL and probably a few months from signing in Europe.

Tullio has been so bad in Buffalo that they're paying him to play for Calgary's farm team.

Savoie is in the ECHL and not a single NHL team wants him.

Chiasson is struggling to hit double digit points in the ECHL.


Seems like it's the fans misidentifying what Bako has and not the staff. Petrov is just more of the same. They can't purge Holland/Wright's work fast enough.

Exactly right, all of these guys have been terrible/worse even in other organizations. I'd add Lavoie in there as well although maybe it was a case of their confidence being sapped by this organization.

I'm no big fan of Chaulk but he's been handed a bunch of lemons once Holloway and Broberg graduated. In the Holland regime, it's been a drafting more than development problem. The two guys that were hits were let go for peanuts but that's another story for another thread.

In any event, the entire Oilers development system needs a purge. Been saying this for decades yet they keep fumbling the bag. 35 years or so of mostly poor drafting by the Oilers, it's unreal when you think about it.

 

[Stoneman89]

There's something you aren't mentioning.

Several of these guys had decent rookie seasons but went off track after that. That suggests at least part of the problem is development, which comes back to the coach.

I suspect the truth is in the middle of your debate. Not enough talent coming in but the coaching staff in the minors aren't great at developing these guys.

True, but they are all still young, and if coaching/management was the problem, there should still be plenty of runway for that to be corrected. Time will tell. Very few of our prior older draftees have amounted to much, so I'm leaning more to the drafting ineptitude.

 

[Stoneman89]

Exactly right, all of these guys have been terrible/worse even in other organizations. I'd add Lavoie in there as well although maybe it was a case of their confidence being sapped by this organization.

I'm no big fan of Chaulk but he's been handed a bunch of lemons once Holloway and Broberg graduated. In the Holland regime, it's been a drafting more than development problem. The two guys that were hits were let go for peanuts but that's another story for another thread.

In any event, the entire Oilers development system needs a purge. Been saying this for decades yet they keep fumbling the bag. 35 years or so of mostly poor drafting by the Oilers, it's unreal when you think about it.

What do you mean? They nailed the McDavid pick!

 

[McDNicks17]

Keppen stays hot with another goal. That's 5 in his last 8 games.

Pitlick getting some praise too.



Savoie gets an assist on the empty netter.

 

[McDNicks17]

Tomorrow's game should be fun.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Tomorrow's game should be fun.

I hope Brochu gets more games in for Bako. We need to keep whoever we deem to be the #3 active but we also need to see what Brochu is capable of and hopefully get him signed.

 

[ManByng]

Savoie scored fine in the AHL last season considering the opportunity. Instead of re-signing him after trading for his brother, they chose to sign a 25 year old undrafted Cam Wright to put up the exact same production.

Maybe holding on to a guy like Carter Savoie may not have hurt considering we're giving Petrov an ECHL center and a defenseman as his linemates.

There's a problem with the way our AHL team is being run.

I dunno man, if you're already 23 and only productive in the ECHL then I don't see a future NHL player in Carter, let alone a scorer !

 

[McDNicks17]

The lineup tonight is going to be hilarious.

 

[North]

The lineup tonight is going to be hilarious.

Ladies and Gentlemen please welcome your Bakersfield Komets.

 

[McDNicks17]

There it is.

Recent NCAA signing playing his second career pro game and recent UofA signing playing his sixth career pro game on the top line.

Savoie gets probably the two best wingers on the roster. One up from the ECHL and the other up from the 4th line.