Back to the drawing board for USA Hockey?

[CupsOverCash]

Mathews needs to learn how to finish for team usa. Not for the maple Leafs. For team usa!

 

[FDBluth]

I think USA played as well as they could. I think Canada will have more room to recalibrate for the next Olympics and will be even better than they were here. It was the first best on best in a decade, after all. This was likely the better chance for the USA to win. However they were missing imo the only gamebreaking player they have on the level of McDavid, Mackinnon and Makar in Hughes. He makes a few gamebreaking plays and his team could win a one-off game in a short tournament.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I like to say from a political standpoint, this final was like 1972 and 1980. But this time the Americans played the role once performed by the Russians.

You would still be speaking German if it wasn't for us.

 

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You would still be speaking German if it wasn't for us.

Sure. You're digressing by stating an inaccurate, Hollywoodized statement. But, sure.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

When does the Canadian football team want to play our best NFL players? Can they take them to ot or beat them? He'll no. Our best athletes six feet and over for the most part don't dream of playing hockey. Hockey is like 4th or 5th in the popularity department in thr states for adults and minors. In Canada hockey is everything and their best players want to be hockey players. Kind of wild they split 1-1 with usa with an OT win and you are acting like they are worlds apart. Canada hasn't won a cup this millennium and the US markets are. If anything Canadiam hockey is losing the huge talent gal it had over tne rest of the world this millennium. If Canada sent their best basketball, American football, or baseball players to play a series it wouldn't even be competitive or close. Enjoy the win but the US is getting closer and closer to producing the same talent as Canada. It may even switch to us player where best Canadian players can now come play in universities allowing the us kids to player better talent earlier.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If you can't beat em, make em join you?

 

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When does the Canadian football team want to play our best NFL players? Can they take them to ot or beat them? He'll no. Our best athletes six feet and over for the most part don't dream of playing hockey. Hockey is like 4th or 5th in the popularity department in thr states for adults and minors. In Canada hockey is everything and their best players want to be hockey players. Kind of wild they split 1-1 with usa with an OT win and you are acting like they are worlds apart. Canada hasn't won a cup this millennium and the US markets are. If anything Canadiam hockey is losing the huge talent gal it had over tne rest of the world this millennium.

Sooooo, is that a yes or no?

 

[Beau Knows]

When does the Canadian football team want to play our best NFL players? Can they take them to ot or beat them? He'll no. Our best athletes six feet and over for the most part don't dream of playing hockey. Hockey is like 4th or 5th in the popularity department in thr states for adults and minors. In Canada hockey is everything and their best players want to be hockey players. Kind of wild they split 1-1 with usa with an OT win and you are acting like they are worlds apart. Canada hasn't won a cup this millennium and the US markets are. If anything Canadiam hockey is losing the huge talent gal it had over tne rest of the world this millennium.

You know if you really didn't care, I don't think you would have posted this multiple times to prove that you don't care

 

[BertCorbeau]

We could also go the other way with it. If Canada had Pietrangelo and Theodore for the championship game, the ice tilts back towards them. I'm not really sure how far, or whether it makes defense in their favor in the first place, but it's food for thought. There's always food for thought about who's missing when it comes to short tournaments like this. Finland missing Heiskanen was also a huge blow. Arguably a much bigger blow than us missing Hughes, in terms of relative value to their teams (I'm not saying Heiskanen is a better player than Hughes, because he isn't).

Also Morrissey missed the final for Canada too

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

When does the Canadian football team want to play our best NFL players? Can they take them to ot or beat them? He'll no. Our best athletes six feet and over for the most part don't dream of playing hockey. Hockey is like 4th or 5th in the popularity department in thr states for adults and minors. In Canada hockey is everything and their best players want to be hockey players. Kind of wild they split 1-1 with usa with an OT win and you are acting like they are worlds apart. Canada hasn't won a cup this millennium and the US markets are. If anything Canadiam hockey is losing the huge talent gal it had over tne rest of the world this millennium. If Canada sent their best basketball, American football, or baseball players to play a series it wouldn't even be competitive or close. Enjoy the win but the US is getting closer and closer to producing the same talent as Canada. It may even switch to us player where best Canadian players can now come play in universities allowing the us kids to player better talent earlier.

So is Canada plays the USA in our sport American football the opening line would be 196-0.

 

[north21]

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96 Canada was deeper upfront IMO and definitely in net. I would take Gretzky, Messier, Yzerman, Sakic, Shanahan ,Fleury, Brind'Amour, Graves, Linden over McDavid, McKinnon, Point, Crosby, Marner, Ranheim, Bennett, Hagel and Marchand I know they were an older group but they were deeper.

US goali was better in net with Richter. D was a bit better with Leetch, Chelios, Suter, Hatcher, Schneider. Forwards had Hull, Modano, Lafontaine, Leclair, Amonte, Guerin Tkachuk and Weight..

5 currently in the HOF on '96 US Team, while I think you will see 4 max on this US Team.

Well it's all kind of up for debate. Harder to judge guys who's careers are only half over or just getting started.

I think like much of the nhl the talent has tighten up.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

The best Canadian players don't even want to play for Canadian nhl teams for the most part. They want to come to the USA for freedom , better tax situations , and a place where your dollar goes further. The only free agent Canadians teams have been signing are over aged players chasing their last contact like Tavares to trams foolish enough to pay them that much.

 

[Mathieukferland]

plays the USA in our sport

 

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The best Canadian players don't even want to play for Canadian nhl teams for the most part. They want to come to the USA for freedom , better tax situations , and a place where your dollar goes further. The only free agent Canadians teams have been signing are over aged players chasing their last contact like Tavares to trams foolish enough to pay them that much.

 

[Beau Knows]

The best Canadian players don't even want to play for Canadian nhl teams for the most part. They want to come to the USA for freedom , better tax situations , and a place where your dollar goes further. The only free agent Canadians teams have been signing are over aged players chasing their last contact like Tavares to trams foolish enough to pay them that much.

You know if you really need to you can just have a nice cry about the game, get it out and move on right?

There's always next year.

 

[north21]

Meh I don't buy the top rival rhetoric, Canada literally always beats the US in final games, its nearly 100% lopsided, the margins are irrelevant, a team that consistently beats another is not a rival, its a punching bag. There needs to be a back and forth for it to actually be considered a legitimate rival.

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Then I would be embarrassed to need overtime to beat a punching bag two times in a row.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

You know if you really need to you can just have a nice cry about the game, get it out and move on right?

There's always next year.

I'm not even mad. You guys split with thr usa in a secondary us sport in as Canada calls it our game. Play the USA and our game American football and see what happens. Hockey is an amazing sport but Canada isn't as dominate as it was at Hockey. They could only split a series and win in ot versus the US.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Weren't Canadians talking about their Basketball team challenging the USA not too long ago, how'd that turn out for ya?

 

[End on a Hinote]

Weren't Canadians talking about their Basketball team challenging the USA not too long ago, how'd that turn out for ya?

Hey your back! Rough few days, eh?

 

[Beau Knows]

I'm not even mad. You guys split with thr usa in a secondary us sport in as Canada calls it our game. Play the USA and our game American football and see what happens. Hockey is an amazing sport but Canada isn't as dominate as it was at Hockey. They could only split a series and win in ot versus the US.

Dude, you're so mad you're making constant spelling and grammar mistakes as you mash the keyboard to spit out these excuses.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

Dude, you're so mad you're making constant spelling and grammar mistakes as you mash the keyboard to spit out these excuses.

Who cares.... no excuses just facts.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Sure. You're digressing by stating an inaccurate, Hollywoodized statement. But, sure.

Like comparing the current political climate between the US and Canada to the Cold War? Settle down, Tom Clancy.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Hey your back! Rough few days, eh?

It's been a rough few weeks.

 

[Fatass]

When does the Canadian football team want to play our best NFL players? Can they take them to ot or beat them? He'll no. Our best athletes six feet and over for the most part don't dream of playing hockey. Hockey is like 4th or 5th in the popularity department in thr states for adults and minors. In Canada hockey is everything and their best players want to be hockey players. Kind of wild they split 1-1 with usa with an OT win and you are acting like they are worlds apart. Canada hasn't won a cup this millennium and the US markets are. If anything Canadiam hockey is losing the huge talent gal it had over tne rest of the world this millennium. If Canada sent their best basketball, American football, or baseball players to play a series it wouldn't even be competitive or close. Enjoy the win but the US is getting closer and closer to producing the same talent as Canada. It may even switch to us player where best Canadian players can now come play in universities allowing the us kids to player better talent earlier.

So is Canada plays the USA in our sport American football the opening line would be 196-0.

Yup. Canada is king at hockey. It’s a hockey forum.

 

[conFABulator]

The narratives are lazy.

If USA barely won the first game then I cannot imagine how you describe the second game being decided in OT, an OT dominated by team USA.

Canada lost two games as well. The spin on narratives is missing the mark.

Matthews simply needs to play like an offensive superstar. McAvoy and Hughes need to be healthy. Tkachuk needs to not be selfish and waste two games benching himself.

These variables add up quickly.

Canada should worry about improving its goaltending pipeline. It will haunt them at some point.

I don't disagree that the narratives are lazy. That's the point I was trying to make too.

How did Canada lose two games as well? They beat Sweden, Finland and the US and lost to the US also, without Makar and Pietrangelo.

As for Matthews, I agree and like how you worded it. If he is an offensive superstar the US wins (and the Leafs would have won some series too), however it is not binary it is not "offensive superstar" or "terrible", there are lots of stops on the spectrum and he was closer to the former than the latter. He was fifth in the tournament in PPG and played a solid defensive game. He was better than fine and not a superstar...again the margins are narrow though. If Tkachuk scores then the US wins and Matthews finishes second in PPG, ahead of McDavid and McKinnon.