Martin Skoula
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Better to lose his way than to win a different way. I'm almost certain he'd rather lose 1-0 in the shootout than win 8-7.
Babcock Interview (Since being hired by Saskatoon) "Something doesn't add up"
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Better to lose his way than to win a different way. I'm almost certain he'd rather lose 1-0 in the shootout than win 8-7.
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But he was fricken awful at coaching defense, too.
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A comment on r/leafs with regards to the Han tweet pointed out how Gardiner was injured the night of the TDL and Dermott the game after. Gardiner didn't return until the second last game of the regular season, Dermott returned just a few games earlier in the teams sixth last game of the season. I doubt either was 100% for the playoffs.
If Babcock wasn't an asshole we'd have had an extra NHL defenseman to help through that trying time to end the season, not to mention just having defensive depth in general is great to have going into and during the playoffs. But he had to be a baby about the whole thing so he wound up hurting himself and the team. His self-sabotage went beyond just his decisions on the ice. The man was cancerous.
If Babcock wasn't an asshole we'd have had an extra NHL defenseman to help through that trying time to end the season, not to mention just having defensive depth in general is great to have going into and during the playoffs. But he had to be a baby about the whole thing so he wound up hurting himself and the team. His self-sabotage went beyond just his decisions on the ice. The man was cancerous.
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That stood out to me also. That's as arrogant as it gets, also just as toxic to listen too.
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He’s not wrong, everyone knew Dubas would replace him first chance he could.
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But waited months after he blew a playoff series? Makes sense.
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Thanks.
The bad man is out of town, not sure why there is a need to reimagine what happened.
As soon as Dubas was promoted the talk was when will Keefe take over.
Babs just keeps digging himself deeper. He has been largely forgotten for a while now, and probably getting closer to a job. This interview tonight is going to make him look like an ass and just stir up all the irrelevant garbage again. He is sabotaging his coaching future because he's a stubborn ass.
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I dont care about Babcock anymore but acting like he was out the door the second Dubas took over is ridiculous and flat out not true. If he coached the team better he would not have gotten fired.
By now we can all see he's just an arrogant guy who constantly tried to exude this fake humility and spewed platitudes to the press and the fanbase. He's getting humbled and exposed for his failures as a coach, and his ego just can't take it.
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Se my avatar for the accuracy and validity your eye test holds.
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Him saying that is minimizing a sociopathic action towards Mitch by him. He truly does not get the gravity of his actions. It does not have to be anything more than that, it's not a grand conspiracy. It's just GM's not trusting Babcock.
When you hire a coach, you are trusting him to have the best interest of the team and players at heart. Doing what he did to Mitch could have had severe negative consequences on a valuable young player. What if Mitch was not mentality resilient guy and that action destroyed Mitch's confidence / trust, you just single handedly destroyed a valuable asset.
Not sure many GM's want a guy who plays head games with their assets. If you are a player on Babcock's team and he ask you to do something, are you going to say Okie Dokie coach what ever you say, or are you going to hesitate and say, is this guys setting me up? I've coached in a different sport for many years, close to 30 years, I know from experience. that players tend to learn and do better with coaches that have their back and build their trust. They tend to bail quickly on coaches that they know have a history of "f-ing" with players heads.
Dude is a narcissist, if he can't accept that his actions have him blackballed from the NHL, not sure what more can be said. With that said, he is still an incredibly knowledgeable hockey man, he could probably do a lot for a vet team like Calgary or Montreal.
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I know plenty of great women who are with world class losers, great women who stay with drunks, dudes who play video games all day, ignore their responsibilities as a dad and a husband, guys who cheat on their wives the second they get a sniff of something strange. Guys who would rather collect Pogie and work 10 hours a week, than make an effort in life and be successful. They are not great women because of their husbands, they are great women because they are great people. Thoughtful, kind, caring, smart, talented, tolerant.
Coaching ball for 30ish years, I've seen many kids pass through my teams and there are some shit bag kids , that come from shit bag parents, I've also seen many great kids come from shitty fathers / mothers. Babcock is like hey look at my kids I'm a great person, who probably have had limited interaction with Babcock because of his time consuming job, yeah my wife raised them so I deserve all the credit.
I was a hands on dad, I spent a lot of time with my kids, I would see my kids going down the wrong path I would correct them. At the end of the day, where they go in life is because of their decisions and their actions, at a certain point my influence on who they become is not all that major of a factor.
Lack of self awareness is a great description.
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Perhaps or he’s fired anyway at some point like most anticipated. Unless you’re in the organization you’re in no position to say what is ‘not true’.
He was only fired when it was plainly obvious he needed to be. It wasn’t Dubas’ call.
Babcock was Dubas’ coach for 2.25ish seasons. Reportedly, the last .25 is when Dubas wanted him replaced.
Babcock was far worse on the situation than Dubas’ was
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I dont exactly need to be inside the organization to say that if he coached better and got the team deep into the playoffs he wouldn't have been fired. The point is that he was given a year and a half with a new GM and the results on the ice and the results alone dictated his firing. To act otherwise is being intentionally disingenuous.
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The most disappointing part of Babcock’s current media blitz is the opportunity he has missed to provide a significant teaching moment.
I say this specifically in the case of Johan Franzen.
Babcock is a spokesperson for mental health. He could have taken Franzens comments to heart and said something to the effect of
Hey, I’m a spokesperson for mental health - this is a player I loved, where I thought my Coaching was really effective. I had no idea I was affecting him in that way. This just shows we all need to become more aware, and appreciate the impact of our words.
But that’s not the road he chose to go down.
I say this specifically in the case of Johan Franzen.
Babcock is a spokesperson for mental health. He could have taken Franzens comments to heart and said something to the effect of
Hey, I’m a spokesperson for mental health - this is a player I loved, where I thought my Coaching was really effective. I had no idea I was affecting him in that way. This just shows we all need to become more aware, and appreciate the impact of our words.
But that’s not the road he chose to go down.
If a person thinks opressive punishment and destroying someones life for being an asshole or making a mistake is 'cool'
I would say that person is a real asshole..and the entire thing should not exist
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I find in todays day people look for the most toxic phrase then use it like a club to beat their opponent into submission. It's a passive aggressive way of telling someone, your a terrible person. Since you are a terrible person, you lose, I win. Debate over.
Phrases like culture appropriation, I've never understood why it's a bad thing now to say hey, this part of your culture is pretty freaking cool, I'm going to copy that / do that out of respect. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Cancel culture? When details about Mikes personality /actions come out after he was fired and people say hey dude your a shitbag because of those previously unknown actions, that is not cancel culture, that is people reacting to new information, to some pretty shitty and disgusting personality flaws. I don't understand people who stubbornly stand by their opinions when new information comes out. Your opinion has to evolve as you get more information, doesn't it?
No one is saying Mike Babcock can’t work. No one is saying Mike Babcock should be in jail.
However, based on manipulation tactics used on Marner, and the flat out abuse of Johan Franzen, and other events, it’s clear that Mike Babcock is no longer deserving of a large platform.
Hope the dude enjoys his time at UoS. Hope he enjoys living on his farm.
He, and Bill Peters don’t deserve the privilege of being an NHL coach.
That’s not cancel culture.
So if you act like an asshole, and people call you an asshole, then that makes you the victim of oppression?
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