Confirmed with Link: Avs trade Annunen and 2025 6th for Scott Wedgewood (NSH)

[Slowdive]

I laugh at the fact some spout "trade this" or "trade that" like its Eastside Hockey Manager. Acting like its SO easy to make deals. I am not saying our front office is doing a great job of late, but this notion we can go out and just "grab" another goalie like a snap of the fingers is ridiculous.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

I think the chances that there is a disconnect between the front office and coaches is highly unlikely. What's more likely to me is that the FO see no viable option that isn't as risky or more risky than what they currently have. They would be skewered, for example, if they shipped out George + picks for retention on Gibson, and it turned out he wasn't an improvement, and then you're stuck with him for years. I think if there's a deal to be made for a known quantity goalie, they'll pull the trigger. Until then, we ride the George + Wedgewood bus.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I mean this is how Sakic did things as well...

I don't even know what to say, but all three of them can't possibly be willing to sink the ship in support of 4Giev. I hope lol

 

[LOFIN]

What if there isn't a disconnect between Bednar and CMac? Hence no Georgie trade? Granted would be quite concerning if that's the case.

There absolutely is a diconnect between CMac, Parkkila and Bednar when it comes to goaltending. Parkkila actually said it out loud in a Finnish interview, that him and Bednar have disagreed but Bednar calls the shots.

 

[dahrougem2]

I laugh at the fact some spout "trade this" or "trade that" like its Eastside Hockey Manager. Acting like its SO easy to make deals. I am not saying our front office is doing a great job of late, but this notion we can go out and just "grab" another goalie like a snap of the fingers is ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? Just look at how Vegas operates.

When they see a move needs to be made on their roster, they make it. Sometimes that means overpaying for the likes of Max Pacioretty. Sometimes that means dumping the likes of Pacioretty and Marc-Andre Fleury for nothing.

Point is, they go out and MAKE the move - whether they feel they paid a lot or aren't getting much back.

The Avs seem hellbent on sticking with Georgiev when there are options available IF the Avs want to make a move.

 

[Slowdive]

Why is it ridiculous? Just look at how Vegas operates.

When they see a move needs to be made on their roster, they make it. Sometimes that means overpaying for the likes of Max Pacioretty. Sometimes that means dumping the likes of Pacioretty and Marc-Andre Fleury for nothing.

Point is, they go out and MAKE the move - whether they feel they paid a lot or aren't getting much back.

The Avs seem hellbent on sticking with Georgiev when there are options available IF the Avs want to make a move.

So, if I read this right, we want moves for moves sake, regardless if they work? And help me, we know there are "options"? GM's are lining up to hand us a goalie? Just clarifying.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

There absolutely is a diconnect between CMac, Parkkila and Bednar when it comes to goaltending. Parkkila actually said it out loud in a Finnish interview, that him and Bednar have disagreed but Bednar calls the shots.

Disagreements aren't necessarily disconnects though. A disconnect would be not communicating with each other, or not listening to each other. Disagreements are normal between adults. Roy disagreed with the org re: not drafting Mack for example. Bednar is the boss of the gameday roster, so he makes the calls. I think that interview is being dissected a little too much. If Parkkila was being ignored do you think he'd have been with the org for 8 years and counting?

 

[The Moops]

So, if I read this right, we want moves for moves sake, regardless if they work? And help me, we know there are "options"? GM's are lining up to hand us a goalie? Just clarifying.

No you read it wrong. If there is a glaring problem on your roster, you fix it ffs. You don't pray that the corpse of Patrick Nemeth and Lars Eller are going to win you the cup. Tampa and Vegas have no fear to make moves to help the team, CNap hasn't shown that yet. Guy thinks that if he waits until MacK and Makar are out of their primes to be competitive, he might save a few draft picks (that he can squander on shit like this awful trade)

 

[LOFIN]

Disagreements aren't necessarily disconnects though. A disconnect would be not communicating with each other, or not listening to each other. Disagreements are normal between adults. Roy disagreed with the org re: not drafting Mack for example. Bednar is the boss of the gameday roster, so he makes the calls. I think that interview is being dissected a little too much. If Parkkila was being ignored do you think he'd have been with the org for 8 years and counting?

I think there is a disconnect between CMac and Bednar though. CMac clearly wanted Annunen to get a chance, while Bednar wasn't interested. That's why Kähkönen was picked up. And then Bednar didn't even want to play him.

 

[shadow1]

I don't agree with the narrative that Bednar didn't trust Annunen. At one point, Annunen started 6-of-8 games. Even after getting obliterated by Washington (3/6), Bednar went back to him the next game.

The numbers don't lie. Annunen played 11 games and had an .872 SV%. He had a golden opportunity to run with Colorado's starting job, and laid a big fat(ty) egg: .826 SV% in November.

What could Bednar have done differently? He was already giving Juice the softer matchups. The two tough teams he started against (WSH & TB) were freakin' bloodbaths.

 

[Slowdive]

No you read it wrong. If there is a glaring problem on your roster, you fix it ffs. You don't pray that the corpse of Patrick Nemeth and Lars Eller are going to win you the cup. Tampa and Vegas have no fear to make moves to help the team, CNap hasn't shown that yet. Guy thinks that if he waits until MacK and Makar are out of their primes to be competitive, he might save a few draft picks (that he can squander on shit like this awful trade)

Again, I want to "fix" it. We are in agreement. However, It takes two GM's to make a deal.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

I don't agree with the narrative that Bednar didn't trust Annunen. At one point, Annunen started 6-of-8 games. Even after getting obliterated by Washington (3/6), Bednar went back to him the next game.

The numbers don't lie. Annunen played 11 games and had an .872 SV%. He had a golden opportunity to run with Colorado's starting job, and laid a big fat(ty) egg: .826 SV% in November.

What could Bednar have done differently? He was already giving Juice the softer matchups. The two tough teams he started against (WSH & TB) were freakin' bloodbaths.

Agreed with this. I think Bednar trusted him, and then when he got his shot, he didn't take it and the org lost faith and moved on.

 

[dahrougem2]

So, if I read this right, we want moves for moves sake, regardless if they work? And help me, we know there are "options"? GM's are lining up to hand us a goalie? Just clarifying.

I did not say "moves for moves sake." I said Vegas identifies needs for their roster and make the moves accordingly. They don't wait for a market to develop, they don't hope and pray their struggling player magically turns it around despite history suggesting otherwise. They make moves to improve their roster deficiencies whether it costs them more than a traditional, conservative GM would like to pay or if it means they jettison a player for nothing.

You seriously don't see goaltending options available? John Gibson has been on the block for 3 years. Mackenzie Blackwood has long been available. Spencer Knight is a 4M backup goalie. Detroit has both Cam Talbot and Alex Lyon while Cossa is knocking on the door in the minors. Utah has a platoon system with Ingram and Vejmelka.

That doesn't even include guys who have moved since last season like Markstrom, Ullmark, Askarov, and Stolarz that the Avs seemingly turned a blind eye to.

A move CAN be made. You have to entice a team to make it.

 

[The Moops]

Again, I want to "fix" it. We are in agreement. However, It takes two GM's to make a deal.

Why does Tampa and Vegas never seem to fail to make trades when they have needs? They do what it takes.

 

[Foppberg]

All will be fine. As long as we also trade for Gibson...

 

[AvsMakar08]

I get that this wasn't the trade most people anticipated or wanted, but if Justus was no longer trusted by the staff, then making a move was the right thing to do. Justus was not the answer to our goaltending issues. Nor was Kahkonen. I've see a bunch of comments about how Kahkonen should have been given more reps, but on the same hand dismissing Wedgewood without any. But if Kahkonen was jettisoned that quickly, that tells you everything you needed to know. He was shit. The coaches saw enough of him in one game and practice sessions. He was not the answer. More reps would have been more shit. They made a move, it didn't work out, they moved on quickly. Same as happened with Tatar last year.

I'm reserving judgement on Wedgewood 'til I see him or read about him. If he can be consistent then great, Annunen was up and down. Some games he looked really solid, then others he looked abysmal. Consistency would be nice from a backup.

The George situation should be considered separate from the Wedgewood/Annunen/Kahkonen discussion. Those are all backups and none were here to challenge George for #1.

I would have rather preferred that management would try to go for another number one goaler instead of swapping back up goalers. I would have rather much preferred if Sakic would call Columbus to inquire about trading for that bloke Elvis. Go all in or go home type of a move. Somehow include Georgie in that trade with CBJ.

 

[BobRossColton]

Wishful thinking here, we allow Wedgewood to get settled in (some of December), and while that's happening, work on another trade for a 1A guy.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Annunen, Wedgewood, Kakonen, these guys are an absolute zero with regards to the avs overall goal. If the goal is to win a Stanley cup, there is very little provided from any of these guys. They are all career backups/3rd stringers. The discussion surrounding these guys is pointless. Whatever you think of Wedgewood, his acquisition does not hinder the Avs in any way from acquiring another starter if that’s what they want to do.

The only move that will matter is the #1 goalie. Right now, no one knows what the Avs truly believe. Whether they think Georgiev is good enough or not is a complete mystery. Their action/inaction between now and the deadline will dictate that.

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

I would have rather preferred that management would try to go for another number one goaler instead of swapping back up goalers. I would have rather much preferred if Sakic would call Columbus to inquire about trading for that bloke Elvis. Go all in or go home type of a move. Somehow include Georgie in that trade with CBJ.

Since 21-22, Elvis has a .897 S%. He is not the answer either, just more of the same. The CBJ fans I know want to get rid of him.

 

[BobRossColton]

How about a nedeljkovic and Wedgewood combo?

 

[AvsMakar08]

Since 21-22, Elvis has a .897 S%. He is not the answer either, just more of the same. The CBJ fans I know want to get rid of him.

Yeah, that is really strange. How can a goalie that was once considered a top goalie or a very good get into that below mediocracy level. I know his Latvian friend passed away but to be this bad for so long.

It would be a huge risk to take for sure.

 

[Balthazar]

How can a goalie that was once considered a top goalie or a very good get into that below mediocracy level.

Mental issues. Campbell, Georgiev, Elvis and plenty of others

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yeah, that is really strange. How can a goalie that was once considered a top goalie or a very good get into that below mediocracy level. I know his Latvian friend passed away but to be this bad for so long.

It would be a huge risk to take for sure.

I mean the dude literally watched his best friend die. There's a very legitimate chance he never recovers from that even if his talent level is quite high.

 

[HartKinnon]

I laugh at the fact some spout "trade this" or "trade that" like its Eastside Hockey Manager. Acting like its SO easy to make deals. I am not saying our front office is doing a great job of late, but this notion we can go out and just "grab" another goalie like a snap of the fingers is ridiculous.

Cnap just needs to answer to the trade calls that he is getting. That’s how i acquired Scott Niedermayer for Tom Preissing and Brett Clark when Ducks gm offered that deal.

 

[Bender]

I don't agree with the narrative that Bednar didn't trust Annunen. At one point, Annunen started 6-of-8 games. Even after getting obliterated by Washington (3/6), Bednar went back to him the next game.

The numbers don't lie. Annunen played 11 games and had an .872 SV%. He had a golden opportunity to run with Colorado's starting job, and laid a big fat(ty) egg: .826 SV% in November.

What could Bednar have done differently? He was already giving Juice the softer matchups. The two tough teams he started against (WSH & TB) were freakin' bloodbaths.

It's pretty easy to just spout out numbers like that without context but the truth of the matter is that Annunen is the one that got us back to .500 when George was playing like an ECHL turd and the first chance that Bednar got to bury Annunen after he had a bad start, he threw him under the bus through the media.

I believe that was at the start of November... and then the rest of his appearances after that were no good and no one can dispute that but Jared never threw George the way he did Annunen.