And he also balked at the price. Kuemper has played poorly and has a .908 SV%, there is no way Edmonton pays more now then when we traded for Kuemper. This would have more basis if Kuemper had a .920 SV% and both Smith/Koskinen were shitting the bed.
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And he also balked at the price. Kuemper has played poorly and has a .908 SV%, there is no way Edmonton pays more now then when we traded for Kuemper. This would have more basis if Kuemper had a .920 SV% and both Smith/Koskinen were shitting the bed.
If we are moving Holloway and our 1st we are targeting Gibson or someone in that tier. Kuemper, especially with his injury history doesn't come close to pull that package.
Funkygroove
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Im almost 100% certain that Rask is only signing in boston, nowhere else. So no.
This. I'd rather call Boston after they sign Rask and see if Ullmark can be had.
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The Oil are going to need young studs on ELCs especially once the Bison King gets a raise this off-season. Holloway should be a non-starter here.
ManofSteel55
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Because Edmonton needs a starting goalie and Colorado doesn't.
Pretty sure he said he only wants to play in Boston anyway though. He may just hang em up.
Colorado overpaid for Kuemper because they were in a bidding war with Edmonton. That means they weren't willing to march Colorado's offer then, so why would they overpay now?
Counter offer of a 2nd round pick and Ostap Safin.
howboutahug
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The original proposal does not seem very realistic (imagine that).
Also, Rask is not going to Edmonton, let's be serious.
Also, Rask is not going to Edmonton, let's be serious.
Because unless you move kuemper avs wouldn’t be in on Rask so Rask isn’t presented that choice.
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Once the goalers start allowing rubbish goals, then Holland is going to start get desperate. Is just a matter of time.
You’re not getting it, prime free agents don’t go to Edmonton. They lost Pronger and similar players, Rask isn’t going there.
SupremeTeam16
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This is dumb on so many levels, here’s just a few.
- Rask has effectively said he isn’t signing anywhere but Boston.
- Colorado isn’t trading a guy they just panic over payed for, just to be left in the same spot they were after losing Gru.
- Kuemper’s value hasn’t increased since the summer and I’d say the package here is better then what Avs paid as the pick is likely earlier and, matter of a opinion but I’d say Holloway is a more valuable prospect.
- Oilers are off to a great start and their goalies have played well, they also need to get Skinner into some games to see what they have. They’re in no rush for a goalie, they’ll likely wait till closer to deadline as more options are likely to open up.
- That package is more in Gibson value territory who is probably a better goalie and is also signed long term vs pending ufa.
- If you had bothered to look at cap situations you’d see that Oilers currently can’t take on another 4M without sending cap out. So that fact obviously didn’t make it into your well thought out plan either.
- Rask has effectively said he isn’t signing anywhere but Boston.
- Colorado isn’t trading a guy they just panic over payed for, just to be left in the same spot they were after losing Gru.
- Kuemper’s value hasn’t increased since the summer and I’d say the package here is better then what Avs paid as the pick is likely earlier and, matter of a opinion but I’d say Holloway is a more valuable prospect.
- Oilers are off to a great start and their goalies have played well, they also need to get Skinner into some games to see what they have. They’re in no rush for a goalie, they’ll likely wait till closer to deadline as more options are likely to open up.
- That package is more in Gibson value territory who is probably a better goalie and is also signed long term vs pending ufa.
- If you had bothered to look at cap situations you’d see that Oilers currently can’t take on another 4M without sending cap out. So that fact obviously didn’t make it into your well thought out plan either.
Holloway's development curve has been too impressive for Oil fans to not feel insulted by this proposal.
While it would be considered lofty to expect Holloway to turn into a 1st line forward, it's kinda hard to doubt the guy given the style of game he plays and how much he's impressed since he was drafted.
While it would be considered lofty to expect Holloway to turn into a 1st line forward, it's kinda hard to doubt the guy given the style of game he plays and how much he's impressed since he was drafted.
This such a crazy ask it almost shouldn't have to be said. Not a chance.
Jumptheshark
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When did Kuemper get so much value? He is a rental player--he 10 months away from UFA
If you are talking about the oilers 1st and Holloway? We are talking about a player like Gibson that is signed for long term on a good contract. Kuemper is nowhere near that value
You've made a bad trade proposal. It happens. Hell, I've made a few myself. Don't double down on it though, better to acknowledge you've misread the value of players and move on.
I think everyone who posts on here have done the same thing. It's kind of an HF tradition.
Jumptheshark
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yes we know that. But this trade deal of very bad for the oilers. Kuemper is not an upgrade on either Smith or Koskinen. Koskinen has a .920 save % in 8 games and smith .920 vs Kuemper .902 in 10 games.
Up to now, accept for one year, Kuemper has been a back up. How many more games would have the Avs won if they had a better goalie?
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An above average goaltender doesn't get you Holloway and 1st. Thag package is for a top 5 goaltender.
Sweetpotato
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"here's my proposal"
"Ew no, why are we paying more than you did a couple months ago"
"Because you're desperate"
"We aren't desperate, we're 9-2"
"Yes you are desperate, Holloway is disposable anyway"
/Thread
Tip, arguing how other teams fans should value their own prospects will never lead to any sort of constructive conversation lol
"Ew no, why are we paying more than you did a couple months ago"
"Because you're desperate"
"We aren't desperate, we're 9-2"
"Yes you are desperate, Holloway is disposable anyway"
/Thread
Tip, arguing how other teams fans should value their own prospects will never lead to any sort of constructive conversation lol
hes not signing in either place, it’s Boston or bust
proposal ends there and that is without getting into the lopsided value
Lol, what are you talking about? Instead of having some blinders on thinking I am doubling down, read post #5. I have no problem offering 1st in 2022 and Savoie instead of Holloway. Too much present day action is clouding a ton of Oiler fans, especially when I read that Kuemper is average at best lol. He doesn't suck, he just doesn't fit the style of saves Avs need from their goalers.You've made a bad trade proposal. It happens. Hell, I've made a few myself. Don't double down on it though, better to acknowledge you've misread the value of players and move on.
I think everyone who posts on here have done the same thing. It's kind of an HF tradition.
Yeah, but his prescence is going to cause a toxic lockerroom with the goaler carousel. By going to the Avs, it solves all problems including the Oilers upgrading in net.
How about their save percentage of the past three or so years? Want to argue that mate?
lol you know nothing about the Bruins locker room. Swayman would just get sent down. Or Ullmark will be moved.
You also seem to forget he has a family. He has zero interest in uprooting, especially over your nonsense hypothetical locker room issues. He’d sooner retire.
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