Proposal: AVS & HABS

[Cenzo_]

Yes. Sort of.

But Byram > Caufield.

.

Well that is debatable. As of now, Caufield has had more important impact on his teams but you may still be right. If I was a Avs fan, I probably still would not trade a potential top pairing D for a potential goal scoring W

 

[McJedi]

Well that is debatable. As of now, Caufield has had more important impact on his teams but you may still be right. If I was a Avs fan, I probably still would not trade a potential top pairing D for a potential goal scoring W

Which is why I added Guhle and Ranta. Gives the Avs a middle pair D and Habs a middle six LW.

Byram just picked up an assist. He’s got a 1+1 two point game to start the season. But where Byram continues to shine is in his own zone. He’s a hell of a defensive Dman. His offense will come. He’s already arrived in his own zone.

Avs definitely decline to trade Byram. He’s going to be a star.

Caufield probably will be too.

 

[McJedi]

Tyler Johnson. Minus -3 already and looks so washed. What a bad trade that was for Chicago. Several Habs fans saw that coming. Tampa fooled Chicago bad. Three full years of having TJ steal $5mm of cap space. Lol.

 

[pockets]

Avs say no. Was pleasantly surprised to see this wasn’t a Drouin proposal though

 

[Avaholic29]

Byram is going to be a superstar 1D and plays the opposite side of another superstar 1D. Avs would be crazy to pass that up. Caufield is amazing in his own right too though, nothing against him.

 

[Islay1989]

You don't trade a guy with the potential to be a franchise D for a winger. All these posts saying Habs wouldn't do this trade are beyond hilarious. Byram was seen as the superior prospect at the time of the draft and nothing changed there.

 

[Spilot23]

After what I've seen from Byram yesterday boy he looked like a veteran out there. He was easily our best dman, very good breakouts, good positioning and good pinching (compared to Graves ). It's still a very very small sample but if that's a glimpse of what Byram can bring every game that's a massive win for us. Caufield will be a damn good player but with how injuries work in our defense we need him way more than Caufield.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

easy pass and i like Byram

we have Guhle and Mailloux on def and nobody like Caufield in the system

 

[DarthProbert]

This would've made more sense a year ago before the Avs went on a spree trading their D depth for nothing at all. Plus, Sakic prefers rentals(see: Saad, Kuemper) if he has to be bothered getting back assets at all.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

No thanks. A potential franchise 1D with 2 ELC years left is something you just don't move.

 

[josra33]

Both teams say no for pretty obvious reasons. Each have merit.

 

[Bouboumaster]

If we're trading Byram I'd rather trade for Suzuki.

Wouldn't happen though.

Yeah lol, if Suzuki goes in Colorado's way, it would be in a package to get one of your better centers

Certainly not for Bowen


As for OP, I'd keep Caufield; we are already loaded with prospect d-men, Bowen would be mighty nice to have but when do you have the chance to ice one of the best goal scorer ever at a junior level?
Caufield all day every day

 

[Patagonia]

Trade is not terrible, but no chance AVs accept.

Byram is potentially a franchise DMan. Position and age of this type of player is not normally moved unless the return is significant ie. Seth Jones vs RJ.

Caufield is small and one dimensional and comparable to being the next Debrincat. It’s not a knock against, but positioning of being a Winger is also worth less than DMan.

Comparing the players: Byram is better defensively, size, skating, faster, tougher, puck handling & leadership. Caufield has the better shot and reliant on the C and Dmen to provide the pass.

I don’t believe it’s close Byram is a significantly better prospect.

 

[Doc5]

Trade is not terrible, but no chance AVs accept.

Byram is potentially a franchise DMan. Position and age of this type of player is not normally moved unless the return is significant ie. Seth Jones vs RJ.

Caufield is small and one dimensional and comparable to being the next Debrincat. It’s not a knock against, but positioning of being a Winger is also worth less than DMan.

Comparing the players: Byram is better defensively, size, skating, faster, tougher, puck handling & leadership. Caufield has the better shot and reliant on the C and Dmen to provide the pass.

I don’t believe it’s close Byram is a significantly better prospect.

Watch him play, he creates his own offense.

That being said, I do this trade. I’d even add a B prospect or a later round pick.

 

[tucker3434]

After spending a decade watching the Avs try fruitlessly to obtain quality defenders, I'd rather just keep them all. Caufield is a great prospect, but I think having a great D, top to bottom, is how the Avs get a cup.

 

[nightonthesun]

I have nothing bad to say about Caufield, but as it stands I'd rather have Big Time Bo and his Bountiful Flo. I just think having him and Cale at once is potentially a bigger game changer than adding a Caufield to the stable of forwards, good as he is.

 

[topshelf15]

Yeah if both are as good as the hype,neither team makes this deal...I value the defender more,but an elite scoring winger next to a center is the only way you pry one out of a team

 

[ginovegas]

solid proposal but i don't think it would happen. Would be even more enticing if he was right handed, But habs are loaded with solid left handed D prospects

 

[Patagonia]

Watch him play, he creates his own offense.

That being said, I do this trade. I’d even add a B prospect or a later round pick.

A closer proposal would be Newhook vs Caufield. They each have similar college stats and junior careers are very close.

Byram is a different tier and partner with Makar for the next 5-10 years could be the beat tandem in the league.

 

[samsagat]

If Byram was a rightie I would do it.

But being leftie and us having a shitload of good caliber LHD prospects in the pipeline, it would be a no....

As of the value of each one, I think its +/- even.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Easy no for Colorado, and this isn't even me being an Avs homer. I had Caufield as the 5th best prospect in his draft year.


But even if we ignore which prospect is better(I think its close enough but Byram is ahead), the value difference between an elite Dman and an elite winger is enough alone for Colorado to never do this.

 

[Patagonia]

If Byram was a rightie I would do it.

But being leftie and us having a shitload of good caliber LHD prospects in the pipeline, it would be a no....

As of the value of each one, I think its +/- even.

Maybe a personal AVs bias, but don’t believe it’s close. Byram is on a higher tier. He is superior in nearly every physical and leadership metric besides shooting.

HABs this makes no sense. Trading an area of weakness for Byram is another surplus LHD minimizes the benefit.

AVs wasted nearly a decade for a reasonable defence. Caufield is not a need when C or G are concerns.

AVs are the most likely to refuse.

 

[D4ngleSZN]

Byram >>> Caulfield (not convinced Caulfield's playoffs weren't a mirage)

Top pair D >>> top six winger

 

[Mersss]

Avs easily decline but it’s not insulting like past nonsense proposals of Tatar for Byram or Drouin for Girard.

at least Montreal is parting with young value this time.

habs add Guhle. Avs add Sampo Ranta and I’m more interested.

Caufield and Byram are on the same tier prospect

There's a stratosphere betweenn a future Ekholm and a 4th line plug

 

[Gruyeriev]

I don’t think they are on the same level though. Defensemen are worth more than forwards. Bo is a 4th overall potential top pair D even on the Avs. He actually plays defense, skates well and can score. Caufield fell to 15 for a reason because he is 5’ 7” and he is a one dimensional scoring winger.