Value of: Avs Defenseman

[McJedi]

it really was but like usual the takes from a couple years ago on the HF boards turn out to be extremely.... interesting.

A year ago, Seider was discussed as this unicorn with infinite value. Byram put up twice as many goals (10 to 5) in half the games. And Seider got far more PP time than Byram. Byram has much better +/- and several other advanced metics favor Byram over Seider.

The truth is both these 2019 drafted defenders look to have tremendous value and upside.

But each has more development to realize the potential. That Byram hasn’t had a head injury in 1.5 years is very encouraging. He hurt his leg blocking a shot this season. That’s just part of the game and can happen to anyone. See Ek from the wild for example. He needs to stay healthy but his head injury status is far less a concern today than it was a year ago.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I think people who expect Colorado to trade Toews are out to lunch. They’re in contention years. Even if they can’t extend him I’d bet they use him as their own rental. He played more minutes than every single Avalanche player in the playoffs. He’s a legit number one defenseman and while yes they have another one in Makar, that doesn’t mean Toews is just a luxury you get rid of because he has a year left.

If a trade presents itself where the Avs can turn Toews into a long term, affordable 2C like they did with Barrie a few years back you probably listen. But aside from a perfect hockey trade I think the Avs hold onto their stud defenseman for another run.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

The Jackets would be really interested in Toews, but I imagine the hope would be to get a #2C for him, and we'd probably be offering futures only. Very nice futures, but still futures.

Well, the Avs don't really have futures.

EDIT: Who'd you have in mind?

 

[Perratrooper]

I think people who expect Colorado to trade Toews are out to lunch. They’re in contention years. Even if they can’t extend him I’d bet they use him as their own rental. He played more minutes than every single Avalanche player in the playoffs. He’s a legit number one defenseman and while yes they have another one in Makar, that doesn’t mean Toews is just a luxury you get rid of because he has a year left.

If a trade presents itself where the Avs can turn Toews into a long term, affordable 2C like they did with Barrie a few years back you probably listen. But aside from a perfect hockey trade I think the Avs hold onto their stud defenseman for another run.

I think right now makes the most sense to listen on a player like Toews. If you get roster players/prospects that can be used to get a 2C solution it might address a larger overall hole on the team. I’m not saying the Avs should trade Toews, but it’s worth exploring.

 

[BCNate]

I think people who expect Colorado to trade Toews are out to lunch. They’re in contention years. Even if they can’t extend him I’d bet they use him as their own rental. He played more minutes than every single Avalanche player in the playoffs. He’s a legit number one defenseman and while yes they have another one in Makar, that doesn’t mean Toews is just a luxury you get rid of because he has a year left.

If a trade presents itself where the Avs can turn Toews into a long term, affordable 2C like they did with Barrie a few years back you probably listen. But aside from a perfect hockey trade I think the Avs hold onto their stud defenseman for another run.

I agree 100%. They are trying to win a cup. I'm sure they'd rather him walk for nothing than trade him for futures.

They'd probably just turn around and use the picks/futures they acquire from a Toews trade, to go out to the market and replace him at the deadline.

Canucks could really only offer up #11 OA, or JT Miller are high end pieces. Neither of those are going to get us Byram or Toews though.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I agree 100%. They are trying to win a cup. I'm sure they'd rather him walk for nothing than trade him for futures.

They'd probably just turn around and use the picks/futures they acquire from a Toews trade, to go out to the market and replace him at the deadline.

Canucks could really only offer up #11 OA, or JT Miller are high end pieces. Neither of those are going to get us Byram or Toews though.

Trade us both of those pieces and Toews is yours

 

[BCNate]

Trade us both of those pieces and Toews is yours

Benning hasn't worked for the Canucks for some time now.

 

[Brett44]

Toews feels like a perfect fit for LA if he is indeed available

Welcome in Colorado Quinton Byfield

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Colorado is moving towards a cap reckoning and likely need to move a defender to help balance things out. While they do get some relief with Landeskog being out for the entire 2023/24 season the fact or the matter is as soon as this off-season they could have 5 defenders making north of $4m.

With Makar being untouchable, what are the best offers for any of their remaining defense:
- Toews (29, LHD, 1x$4.1m)
- Byram (21, LHD, RFA)
- Girard (25, LHD, 4x$5m)
- Manson (31, RHD, 3x$4.5m)

This thread is more of a way to attempt to see perceived value and address holes that will help both short to long term.

What is your teams best offer for any of these players?

Toews probably no one would pay much. Overrated based on the players he most often ice with, and only one year remaining. Probably a couple of seconds.

Byram could have major value, given that he seems to have put injury troubles behind him. I can see someone offering a big package of a young NHL contributor and a couple of 1sts for him.

Girard seems like is a good player, but is not utilized well ATM. His salary is pretty reasonable. So his value is somewhat limited, so I would say somewhere around a 1st.

Manson not sure why you would bother. Assuming EJ retires, I don't see any other RHD on the Avs that are viable at an NHL level. If you move him, there would be a major hole to fill.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Welcome in Colorado Quinton Byfield

No!!

 

[Viqsi]

Well, the Avs don't really have futures.

EDIT: Who'd you have in mind?

The LA 1st and Ceulemans. Basically the same sort of thing we've been considering for Hanifin.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Toews probably no one would pay much. Overrated based on the players he most often ice with, and only one year remaining. Probably a couple of seconds.

Byram could have major value, given that he seems to have put injury troubles behind him. I can see someone offering a big package of a young NHL contributor and a couple of 1sts for him.

Girard seems like is a good player, but is not utilized well ATM. His salary is pretty reasonable. So his value is somewhat limited, so I would say somewhere around a 1st.

Manson not sure why you would bother. Assuming EJ retires, I don't see any other RHD on the Avs that are viable at an NHL level. If you move him, there would be a major hole to fill.

Colorado has a lot of fruits and nuts in Boulder. But ok.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

I don't see anyone taking girard at that caphit

I don't see anyone taking girard at that caphit

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Toews probably no one would pay much. Overrated based on the players he most often ice with, and only one year remaining. Probably a couple of seconds.

No point reading after this point lmao

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I agree 100%. They are trying to win a cup. I'm sure they'd rather him walk for nothing than trade him for futures.

They'd probably just turn around and use the picks/futures they acquire from a Toews trade, to go out to the market and replace him at the deadline.

Canucks could really only offer up #11 OA, or JT Miller are high end pieces. Neither of those are going to get us Byram or Toews though.

Both the 11th and JT Miller for hometown Byram and Newhook?

The Canucks would have Hughes Byram and Hronek to anchor their blue line. And still have Petterson and lots of forwards.

This is the type of trade that could really extend the Aves window. So it must be massively in the Aves favor.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don't see anyone taking girard at that caphit

I don't see anyone taking girard at that caphit

He's better than a lot of LDs in the league but OK.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

No point reading after this point lmao

Thank you for your very well thought out contributing and highly cogent explicit reasoning.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Thank you for your very well thought out contributing and highly cogent explicit reasoning.

It provided more value then your nonsense

 

[BCNate]

Both the 11th and JT Miller for hometown Byram and Newhook?

The Canucks would have Hughes Byram and Hronek to anchor their blue line. And still have Petterson and lots of forwards.

This is the type of trade that could really extend the Aves window. So it must be massively in the Aves favor.

Both the 11th and JT Miller for hometown Byram and Newhook?

The Canucks would have Hughes Byram and Hronek to anchor their blue line. And still have Petterson and lots of forwards.

This is the type of trade that could really extend the Aves window. So it must be massively in the Aves favor.

I’m not big on Newhook, but I’m sure you’d find some Canucks fans who would be down for that deal. What type of contracts do you see them signing as rfas this summer?

 

[Perratrooper]

The LA 1st and Ceulemans. Basically the same sort of thing we've been considering for Hanifin.

Fair enough, I think the Avs would elect to keep Toews over getting a Hanifan level return considering he’s the better player.

@BCNate Byram is probably in the $3-4m range in a bridge deal and Newhook $2-3m on a bridge.

 

[Kaibur]

Nick Schmaltz for Girard?

Schmaltz (27) is a winger, who can occasionally sub in at center. His cap hit is $5.85M for 3 more years. 63GP 22-36-58 averaging 19:42 TOI.

His actual cash goes up this year above his cap hit. And his age is more in line with a contender than a team in rebuild mode like the Coyotes.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

@BCNate mate I'm not quoting that mate. But Byram should get around 3.5 million or 4 million for a short term deal. Given his health risks and very iffy top pairing upside a long term deal for 5 million for 7 years could something both sides would want.

Newhook a one year 2.5 million deal is the most he should get.

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

Colorado is moving towards a cap reckoning and likely need to move a defender to help balance things out. While they do get some relief with Landeskog being out for the entire 2023/24 season the fact or the matter is as soon as this off-season they could have 5 defenders making north of $4m.

With Makar being untouchable, what are the best offers for any of their remaining defense:
- Toews (29, LHD, 1x$4.1m)
- Byram (21, LHD, RFA)
- Girard (25, LHD, 4x$5m)
- Manson (31, RHD, 3x$4.5m)

This thread is more of a way to attempt to see perceived value and address holes that will help both short to long term.

What is your teams best offer for any of these players?

Wow Manson is 31? Dude still has mad skill!

 

[wetcoast]

Toews is definitely going to be on the market this summer.

You mean next summer but I think the Avs will make every effort to resign him.

 

[Linds]

Toews probably no one would pay much. Overrated based on the players he most often ice with, and only one year remaining. Probably a couple of seconds.

Byram could have major value, given that he seems to have put injury troubles behind him. I can see someone offering a big package of a young NHL contributor and a couple of 1sts for him.

Girard seems like is a good player, but is not utilized well ATM. His salary is pretty reasonable. So his value is somewhat limited, so I would say somewhere around a 1st.

Manson not sure why you would bother. Assuming EJ retires, I don't see any other RHD on the Avs that are viable at an NHL level. If you move him, there would be a major hole to fill.

Towes worth maybe two 2nds....that's where I stopped reading