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Byram + Zellers + 2nd for Coyle.
Give me a Cup and I don't care.
Give me a Cup and I don't care.
Avs aquire Charlie Coyle + 2026 5th for Mittelstadt + Will Zellers + 2025 2nd
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At the end of the GM Sakic era the Avs were seen by most as #1 in the league for asset management.
Now if they aren't dead last they must be close.
Not taking a shot at CMac because I like his aggressiveness but it is what it is. A lot of bad trades/signings.
TheForsbergShow
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I think you are overstating his asset management if you think he's last (just look at the Oilers for comparison). I know assets isn't strictly picks, but Cmac prior to this years deadline had actually acquired more draft picks than he traded away during his gm tenure. He may try things that end up not working, but he's probably one of the few gms that isn't afraid to move on quickly if a player doesn't fit, while still recouping stuff back.
For every Byram/Johansen trade tree, there is a Rantanen/Newhook trade tree. For every missed signing like Kadri/Wood, there is a good deal in Lehky/Drouin/Malinksi. For every random pick dealt for a roster player, there is a Meyers/Brannstrom/Tatar signed then flipped for a pick. He is also the reason the Duchene deal even got completed, which has turned into 3 players on our current roster - Coyle, Girard and Wedgwood (Annunen was one of the picks and yes Byram in there would look better but still).
Also, situations of teams play a role. Pretty easy for a gm on a middling/bad team with a bunch of cap space being able to get good value in trades with a pretty stagnant cap, giving them the appearance of better asset management.
Compare it to Sakic , it took him nearly 5 years minus the Duchene deal to make some meaningful trades, prior to that he played it extremely safe. Without the cup, his tenure would be looked at very differently. Edit: Overlooked his Ror deal which doesn't do him any favors lol.
Id argue that being passive and not willing to pay a bit more in a deal to get it done, is worse asset management than giving up that extra random prospect even if it makes it look like you "lost the trade" to the public. At the end of the day no GM hits on a majority of their deals, but as long as Cmac is giving our most important/valuable assets (Mack, Makar) the best chance at the cup, he is nowhere near the bottom of the list.
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Well said. couldn't have said it better. The only thing I would add to this is something I have said quite a few times in the past which is most people here were behind CMac on the deals he made that didn't work out.
expatriatedtexan
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Honestly, CMac has only made two moves I have seriously disliked from the moment the news broke: RyJo and Eller.
GirardSpinorama
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Yup. Cmac shouldnt be immune to poor moves even if he moved on from those quickly. But it is what it is, asset management can only get you so far, he should also be praised for building a team that looks like its very balanced and cohesive.
I don't recall being thrilled about the Johansen deal, more like cautiously optimistic. Boy did those hopes fade fast. I don't even recall if he was all that good at faceoffs, which was like, the only thing about him I was kind of excited about. Pretty crazy that's he's probably just done now and exited the game of hockey with one hell of a whimper.
I'll admit I was way more on board with the Mittelstadt trade, and well, it sure looked good for a while there up until November 2024.
I'll admit I was way more on board with the Mittelstadt trade, and well, it sure looked good for a while there up until November 2024.
expatriatedtexan
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What happened to the like icon? Looks like a 4-bit cupcake.
I'm just bummed we don't have waffles-era Olli Jokinen as the "angry" icon.
expatriatedtexan
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Yeah nobody was really thrilled about the RyJo trade but most were behind it due to our cap situation at the time especially that Hench was optimistic about it and people followed.
The Eller trade was one that most didn't like because it looked like CMac waved the flag but still made that trade. The cost was not good either.
Ridiculous to say the least. Are you even remotely aware of the existence of franchises such as the Sabres, Flyers, Oilers, Predators, and Rangers?
Have a little damn perspective lol. What you're saying here is just silly.
dahrougem2
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Oh no, I remember being LIVID at that RyJo trade. Couldn't believe that was the plan.
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These teams aren't even close to us when it comes to bad asset management in the last couple of years but it's pointless to talk about it now. Like I said I'm glad that CMac was aggressive and if we win the cup nothing else matters.
If we don't win the cup this season we may revisit this topic next summer.
GirardSpinorama
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I am more livid we didnt just waive and the LTIR his butt. We wasted a first...
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Someone needs to make a trade tree of how much it ended up costing the Avs in asset to let Kadri walk.
The gift that keeps on giving. Especially if we can’t sign Nelson after the season ends.
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You see, that's where I have problems with some of you guys. You are either happy with him being aggressive and if it doesn't work so be it, or you are not. This "CMac screwed up this or that" with hindsight after being happy with what he tried is really frustrating.
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I get where you’re coming from and I was a Byram backer from before his draft. But we were in desperate need of a 2C. I was ready to ride and die with Mitts but you and I both have to admit trading him was the right thing to do. As for the critics, I’d still rather keep CMac than not.
It's obviously pointless, but what you're saying is asinine to the point of me not even having anything further to say. I'm flabbergasted, truly.
Even if we do retain Nelson, I'm sure you'll come up with something else to bellyache about
forsbergavs32
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Since the plan was Mitts for Byram CMac needed to put another D-man on the team, which turned out to be Walker. Walker didn’t work out here but he was part of the reason that trade was done
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I'm glad that he's working hard to correct his mistakes and improve the team.
However, if you spend a significant amount of money on a bad car, resell it at a huge loss a week later, and then buy a good car, that doesn't mean you're good with money—it just shows you're not afraid to fix your mistakes. That's a good thing for a GM. Still, it was awful asset management in the first place.
