Confirmed with Link: Avs acquire Casey Mittelstadt for Bo Byram
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There's more than 2 or 3, but it also isn't a large group. It just can be vocal (which is perfectly fine, this is a message board after all and differing opinions are perfectly fine). When Mitts is called out for not having enough offense or producing at a high level, it is simply not backed by the reality of who he is as a player. He will have good and bad games... he won't be a #1C... but he's plenty good enough for the 2C role here. It is backed up by simple and fancy stats. It is backed up by the eye test. It is backed up by him being one of the best players for the Avs in the playoffs.
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Personally I like Mitts better than Kadri
I can see that. Wish people would appreciate what Mitts brings, dude did wonderful job with only a little time learning to play in Bednar's system.
I think Kadri’s play style and mojo fit better, but Mitts is the better overall player. What Mitts isn’t that Kadri is… is a one man 2nd line. Kadri was uniquely talent in that he could play that role at times. Mitts will need someone on his side who can also pull weight. Defensive they are night and day though.
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People only remember Kadri's career year/cup run but that's not who he was.
For most of his time here he was a frustrating player to watch: never using his linemates, pouting, taking stupid penalties, getting kicked out of the faceoff circle all the time, getting cold for very long periods of time, etc.
I expect Mitts to be an effective 2C without being nearly as frustrating.
Kadri was always sneaky good to me. His stick handling never looked impressive, but always accomplished more than you would think. He seemed to know which way he should be deking, even if not at high speed or with high skill moves.
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I like them both.
In two years - when Kadri is 35 and Mitts is 27 - everyone will like him better.
SirLoinOfCloth
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Let's be honest, in the cup year Kadri was a 1C on the second line. There's no way we (or he) could recreate that magic again. Mitts is more of what we need - a responsible two way forward able to shut down opposition top lines.
Even prior to his career year, he carried the 2nd line. I do think people tend to overate just on the final year, but he was a good player here. Probably as much as that though, he was cheap AF which allowed the Avs to spend on depth.
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Kadri's first season here he was OK in the regular season and good in the playoffs. We were mainly just happy to get rid of Kerfoot and have a real 2C.
Second season he was bad: Low effort, low IQ plays and in a bad mood. For the whole season the GDT's were filled with people complaining about Kadri (similar to Rants this year). He entered the playoffs ice cold and got suspended on the 2nd game.
Third season he was great. That's the one that people associate with Kadri.
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Ararana
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This has been one of my issues with what we've seen from Mitts so far. I don't see him ever carrying his line. He needs players who can help him push production.
Kadri very much had a "f*** it, I'll do it myself" mindset, and more often than not he was able to do it.
Now that the Avs have serious top six winger issues going forward, I really worry about Mitts producing consistently without solid help.
Kadri was just a better fit for the Avs specifically.
expatriatedtexan
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After the Kadri suspensions and now the Nuke suspensions, I for one am kinda glad that Casey appears to be low-maintenance. I can also appreciate the fact that he hasn't once derailed a team's chances at a Stanley Cup.
I think he's a keeper.
I think he's a keeper.
The highs are not going to be as high but I don't think the lows will be as low.
The only time Kadri truly pissed me off was that miserable 2020-2021 season where he looked completely lost. Luckily he more than made up for it the following year. IMO Compher was a WAY more frustrating player, and I actually like JTC (though I'm fine with the Avs not paying up to keep him).
I just hope they get him better and more consistent linemates.
I’d quantify Kadri as a flawed first line talent where his issues prevented him from hitting that level. Also why his lows where very low.
Foppa2118
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I don't think anyone actually believes otherwise. Because there's no evidence to support it.
Some are just personally invested in their false narratives and can't stop repeating them.
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This was a double edged sword..everyone remember the goals but few remember all the ultra low chance % shots that he took when his winger wide open.
SirLoinOfCloth
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All I remember about Kadri is him being tossed out of the faceoff circle roughly 3 times per faceoff.
Foppa2118
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I think this is more valuable and important now than ever in the NHL too.
I mentioned this before, but with how good defenses are now, it often takes individual efforts to score goals, and beat teams. That's even more true in the playoffs.
I think Mitts is definitely a better all around player than Kadri, and contributes a lot more when he's not scoring, but that tenacity, swagger, and ability to put a team on his back, and be "the guy" that gets it done, more than makes up for it IMO.
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That and the refs absolutely hated the guy. I know he was a habitual line stepper and a yapper, but folks could get away just beating the absolute snot out of Kadri and he'd never get a call.
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expatriatedtexan
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Would Vinny Trocheck be a fair comparable for negotiations with Mitts? The Rangers got him signed him to 7years x 5.625M.
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From 2014 to 2019, no player in the league drawn more penalties than Kadri. Then the refs realized they were getting fooled and turned their back on him.
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I thought Kadri had lost a step in 2021. The team was great, but he was brutal for half the year - 1 goal in his final 28 games (incl. playoffs). Shows how stupid I am.
Mittelstadt's overall game reminds me of Stastny's, but his passing and vision remind me of someone else. I can't quite put my figure out who, and it's been bothering me because it's been on the tip of my tongue for weeks. That aside, I've loved the addition. You can put anyone with Mittelstadt and the line will be solid. There was a game (forget which one) he played with Duhaime and Trenin and they dominated possession.
Mittelstadt's overall game reminds me of Stastny's, but his passing and vision remind me of someone else. I can't quite put my figure out who, and it's been bothering me because it's been on the tip of my tongue for weeks. That aside, I've loved the addition. You can put anyone with Mittelstadt and the line will be solid. There was a game (forget which one) he played with Duhaime and Trenin and they dominated possession.
