Avalanche board mock draft/offseason (Part 2):

[landy92mack29]

Crap, forgot the AHL RFAs. I'd also like to qualify Kunyk, Korobov and Paradis.

I'd say start the UFA flood gates on Monday. Let the draft festivities and the weekend settle over today and tomorrow.

And how do we do that, just post hey I'd like Niskanen at 10 mil for 8 years and if I get 5 oks then he's mine?

you can only offer 7 years

 

[tigervixxxen]

you can only offer 7 years

Right, I know that. I was being ridiculous on purpose anyway. I'm not offering 10 million

 

[landy92mack29]

Right, I know that. I was being ridiculous on purpose anyway. I'm not offering 10 million

I know. just making it as possible as it can be

 

[InjuredChoker]

canes bump the offers for hainsey and gerbe for what they got in real world (or fake world, are we that harfcore with this yet??!!)

^ I think Boyle would want something around 3.0-3.5 million since the cap is climbing as well.

Hiller 5.5 for 5 years. I think that is a very fair deal IMO.

I need more opinions of Spezza? Paz doesn't think he should sign, IC thinks he would want more of everything.

Also are all my RFAs good?

i think that hiller deal gets it done. i doubt he gets that much from UFA, very fair offer.

RFA:

Elliott 2 years @ 875,000
Sustr 2 years @ 875,000
Panik 2 years @ 1,750,000
Auile Qualified
Barberio Qualified

UFA:

Lindback 3 years @ 2,250,000
Pyatt 3 years @ 1,500,000

Be gentile

the numbers for panik and sustr are little odd as sustr was better last season and panik was more the odd man out. panik doesn't get that money, sustr might get little more.

you are also very generous on those UFA deals as lindbäck wasn't qualified at all by tampa.

Having to change GMs mid stream, so we will (as a group unless we find another GM) need to do the RFAs, and represent the Wings in UFA until around July 2nd when Razor29 said he'd be available if needed.

They have 3 RFAs that are likely to get more than their QO

Tomas Tatar
-----I think he will get a pretty good bridge contract 3 yrs 2.75m AAV?
Riley Sheahan:
---- Less proven and also a bridge 2 years 1.250m AAV
Danny DeKeyser:
----- I think he'll get locked up on a longer deal something around 5 years @ 3.25m AAV

Just winging this as ideas and did not try to research what has been put out there. All input is appreciated

Looks like with the Florida trade (added Upshall and Petrovic) the Wings have about 10-10.5m in cap space before RFAs are signed

UFAs
Alfredsson
Legwand
Samuelsson
Bertuzzi
Cleary
Quincey

schenn and killorn got 2.5 mil and they have pretty identical production with tatar, though more icetime.

i think dekeyser should get more money on a 5 year deal but not much, few hundred K's or so.

 

[Skip2myBordyloo]

UFA

Radim Vrbata- Offered 4 million per 3 years
David Moss - UFA
Paul Bissonette -UFA
Jeff Halpern -UFA
Derek Morris -UFA
Tomas Greiss -UFA
Tim Kennedy- Offered 1 year 2 way contract 875K
Andy Miele- Offered 1 year 2 way contract 850K
Brandon Yip -UFA
Cade Fairchild-UFA
Brett Hextall - UFA
John Mitchell-UFA

RFA(Not sure on the QO's so anyone can correct me on the numbers if they like)

Brandon Mcmillan - Offered 1 year 2 way conract 837K
Justin Wellar- Not Qualified
Jordan Szwarz -Offered 2 years 2 way contract 725K
Ethan Werek -Offered 1 year 2 way contract 650K
Mathieu Broduer-Offered 2 year 2 way contract 655K

 

[tranquiljoe33]

Smith 3.250 for 3 years
Pirri 750k for 2 years
Fraser 850k for 3 years
Caron 950k for 1 years
Krug 2.5m for 2 years
Bartkowski 950k for 1 years

 

[tranquiljoe33]

Igilna 5m for 1 years

 

[AslanRH]

Ah ok I thought that we had a window of today and then tomorrow other people could make offers.

I think you are right.

Just debate amongst us but no offers from other teams.

I still think Michalek would want more term and would get it from the market.

 

[Thepoolmaster]

I think you are right.

Just debate amongst us but no offers from other teams.

I still think Michalek would want more term and would get it from the market.

Fair enough. If he will be looking for longer term I will probably let him go. Like I said in my last post Cowen is available for a Left Winger at a similar age.

 

[AslanRH]

This is the best I could do on notable UFA offers made in the thread.

and reading through the old thread I do believe we decided that if a good deal can be agreed upon by at least 5 GMs to re-sign a UFA rather than hit the market it can be done before bidding start (sorry, my mistake caused the confusion).


[table="head;width=1000]|Position|Current Team|Current Best Offer|Bidding Team|Votes +|Votes -
Ryan Carter|F|New Jersey|2 years 1.7m (.850m AAV)|New Jersey|4|
Mark Fayne|D|New Jersey|3 years 10m (3.33m AAV)|New Jersey|3|2
Tom Gilbert|D|Edmonton|3 years 3.75m (1.25m AAV)|Edmonton||7
Michail Grabovski|F|Washington|4 years 16m (4.00m AAV)|Washington|1|6
Ales Hemsky|F|Ottawa|5 years 20m (4.00m AAV)|Ottawa|3|2
Jerome Iginla|F|Boston|1 year 5m|Boston|4|2
Olli Jokinen|F|Winnipeg|1 year 1.60m|Winnipeg||4
Manny Malhotra|F|Carolina|1 year 1.00m|Carolina|4|1
Milan Michalek|F|Ottawa|3 years 15m (5.00m AAV)|Ottawa|2|4
Mike Santorelli|F|Vancouver|4 years 9.2m (2.30m AAV)|Vancouver|2|
Thomas Vanek|F|Vancouver|7 years 45.5m (6.50m AAV)|Vancouver|2|
Radim Vrbata|F|Arizona|4 years 17.6m (4.40m AAV)|Arizona|2|0
Daniel Winnik|F|Anaheim|3 years 7m (2.33m AAV)|Anaheim|4|1
[/table]

If we get agreement (5 or more votes? or majority in the debate?) I think we can call it final and remove them from the list.

Approved
Jonas Hiller|G|Winnipeg|5 years 27.5m (5.50m AAV)|Winnipeg
Matt d'Agostini|F|Buffalo|1 year 1.00m|Buffalo
Steve Bernier|F|Florida|2 years 2m (1.00m AAV)|Florida
Anders Lindback|G|Tampa|3 years 6.75m (2.25m AAV)|Tampa
John Scott|F|Buffalo|1 year 900k|Buffalo
Paul Stastny|C|Colorado|7 years 43.75m (6.25m AAV)|Colorado
Chris Thorburn|F|Winnipeg|2 years 1.90m (.950m AAV)|Winnipeg
Adam Pardy|D|Winnipeg|1 year 1.70m|Winnipeg
Tom Pyatt|F|Tampa|3 year 4.5m (1.50m AAV)|Tampa
Brett Belemore|D|Carolina|2 years 2.4m (1.20m AAV)|Carolina
Brian Boyle|F|NY Rangers|4 years 12m (3.00m AAV)|NY Rangers
Dan Boyle|D|Florida|2 years 13m (6.50m AAV)|Florida
Stephane Robidas|D|Anaheim|2 years 5.5mil + (2.75m AAV|Anaheim
Anton Stralman|D|NY Rangers|5 years 21m (4.20m AAV)|NY Rangers

 

[The Pwnerer]

Nice list AslanRH. Anyway I'd love to confirm my Brian Boyle, Anton Stralman contract offers. I think they're pretty fair.

 

[AslanRH]

.

schenn and killorn got 2.5 mil and they have pretty identical production with tatar, though more icetime.

i think dekeyser should get more money on a 5 year deal but not much, few hundred K's or so.

Will change Tatar to 2.5 and deKeyser to 3.5

 

[AslanRH]

Nice list AslanRH. Anyway I'd love to confirm my Brian Boyle, Anton Stralman contract offers. I think there pretty fair.

Thank you, (I may have borrowed the table from Anaheim )

I do too and you got my vote

I did not count us voting for our own players, so hopefully we can get some more confirmations from other GMs.

 

[member 116861]

Sorry guys I have been busy the last few days. Where exactly are we in the off-season? Still re-signing our own guys?

 

[AslanRH]

Sorry guys I have been busy the last few days. Where exactly are we in the off-season? Still re-signing our own guys?

Getting RFAs out of the way, and trying to re-sign our own UFAs before they hit the market.

Also need to start voting on the contracts above so we can start clearing them out of the list.

 

[member 116861]

I'll try to get my RFAs and UFAs later tonight.

 

[The Pwnerer]

Matt d'Agostini +1
Brett Belemore +1
Steve Bernier +1
Dan Boyle +1
Tom Gilbert -1
Michail Grabovoski -1
Ales Hemsky -1
Jonas Hiller +1
Jerome Iginla -1
Olli Jokinen -1
Anders Lindback +1
Milan Michalek -1
Adam Pardy +1
Tom Pyatt +1
John Scott +1
Chris Thorburn +1
Radim Vrbata -1


Not sure if we have to explain every vote but I'm thinking it would take way too long confirming resignings if everyone kept explaining each vote. So I guess for the sake of tallying votes I'll just put mine down here like this. I will omit the Rangers since I own them and players that I want to hit free agency. I was thinking of down-voting the players I want to hit the market but I would think everyone would be hitting the market . O well this is all trial and error.

 

[AslanRH]

Matt d'Agostini +1
Brett Belemore +1
Steve Bernier +1
Dan Boyle +1
Tom Gilbert -1
Michail Grabovoski -1
Ales Hemsky -1
Jonas Hiller +1
Jerome Iginla -1
Olli Jokinen -1
Anders Lindback +1
Milan Michalek -1
Adam Pardy +1
Tom Pyatt +1
John Scott +1
Chris Thorburn +1
Radim Vrbata -1


Not sure if we have to explain every vote but I'm thinking it would take way too long confirming resignings if everyone kept explaining each vote. So I guess for the sake of tallying votes I'll just put mine down here like this. I will omit the Rangers since I own them and players that I want to hit free agency. I was thinking of down-voting the players I want to hit the market but I would think everyone would be hitting the market . O well this is all trial and error.

I will add your votes, but think we should explain our negative votes (which I have not done yet) so we can debate the merits of each side. Positive votes are pretty self explanatory

 

[Thepoolmaster]

Matt d'Agostini +1
Brett Belemore +1
Steve Bernier +1
Dan Boyle +1
Tom Gilbert -1
Michail Grabovoski -1
Ales Hemsky -1
Jonas Hiller +1
Jerome Iginla -1
Olli Jokinen -1
Anders Lindback +1
Milan Michalek -1
Adam Pardy +1
Tom Pyatt +1
John Scott +1
Chris Thorburn +1
Radim Vrbata -1


Not sure if we have to explain every vote but I'm thinking it would take way too long confirming resignings if everyone kept explaining each vote. So I guess for the sake of tallying votes I'll just put mine down here like this. I will omit the Rangers since I own them and players that I want to hit free agency. I was thinking of down-voting the players I want to hit the market but I would think everyone would be hitting the market . O well this is all trial and error.

Just curious what makes you think Hemsky will get more term or more money. He hasn't been that great in the past few years and as the Ottawa GM would love to resign him. What do you think would be a fair deal?

Also I think that the bolded is a good idea. If you want them to hit the market and are planning on submitting an offer you should not be able to vote.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Can we have a separate thread for rosters please? I didn't manage to post mine here and everytime we have too much chatter we won't be able to quote them/manage them...

 

[The Pwnerer]

Just curious what makes you think Hemsky will get more term or more money. He hasn't been that great in the past few years and as the Ottawa GM would love to resign him. What do you think would be a fair deal?

Also I think that the bolded is a good idea. If you want them to hit the market and are planning on submitting an offer you should not be able to vote.

Hmm I think the money was more then fair, but the term was a year or two short. I just think that him being 30, he's going to look for more long term security. This could be his last chance for a big contract.

my other negative votes
Gilbert-No way I see him going from 4 million to 1.25 million, even if he has regressed.
Grabovski- The market for centers is very weak, I think he gets more term and money.
Iginla- I don't think Iginla takes a 1 year deal, this could be his last contract, he needs the term.
Jokinen- Way too little money for a proven 40-50 point guy.
Michalek-Guy has a history of being a very good goal scorer, I think a team takes the risk and gives him more term & money.
Vrbata - He's 33, his last contract was a steal and under market value. I think he can get more money then a 1 million dollar raise.

 

[AslanRH]

My negative votes:
(Yes I may bid on them if they hit the market, but I promise I am voting without malice, as in my positive vote for Hiller and Bellemore )

Grabovski: I think gets a higher AAV due to the demand for Centers currently
Hemsky: I think I will change my vote to a positive, as I thought he was younger. Still think he'll get more term from Ottawa but his injury history could limit that
Iginla: I think he'll demand a 2 year deal and at least 5.5m or will want another 1 year deal @ 6m
Jokinen: I think he will get far more term and salary on the market
Michalek: I think he will get more term (5-7) on the market or will need more salary to take a short deal.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

+1 to all contracts except Gilbert (AAV), Grabovski (AAV), Jokinen (AAV), Hemsky (length), Michalek (length), Vrbata (AAV + Length).

Anaheim tenders the following offers to its UFAs and RFAs.

2 years, 4 mil to Burmistrov
6 years, 37.5 mil to Ryan O'Reilly
2 years, 5.5 mil to Stephane Robidas with 1 mil in performance bonuses each year, 250k for every 20 games played.
2 years, 4.5 mil to Silfverberg
4 years, 12 mil to Devante Smith-Pelley
5 years, 16.25 mil to Brandon Sutter
2 years, 4.5 mil to Sami Vatanen
3 years, 7 mil to Daniel Winnik

 

[Jayevs]

Comparing the guys I took where I took them to how the draft really went is just...wowwww

Brycen Martin 2nd>>3rd
Pierre Engvall 3rd >>7th
Tyson Baillie 4th>>un-drafted
Pavel Kraskovsky 5th>>6th
Joni Tuulola 6th>>un-drafted

 

[AslanRH]

my other negative votes
Gilbert-No way I see him going from 4 million to 1.25 million, even if he has regressed.

Gilbert only made 900k last year