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Please. The fact that it keeps coming up during the playoffs doesn't make it a playoffs issue.but those are really only playoff issues
Please. The fact that it keeps coming up during the playoffs doesn't make it a playoffs issue.but those are really only playoff issues
Holy hell, hon. Literally five posts above yours.from a pure "we dont want to deal with this problem anymore" perspective, I think a deal around Laine and Nuke makes sense. Nuke is signed for less and has more term (not sure if the later is actually a good thing in this context but still) so Columbus would have sweeten it a bit. more likely by retaining some salary.
One thing that would help this thread is removing the topic of Cole Sillinger from the discussion.
Because that's double-dipping. The risk is why Laine is available at the rates he is. We're not going to throw in Sillinger to compensate even more for said risk.Why? Colorado's part of this is already pure risk.
With apologies, I don’t care. Mitigate the risk by changing the offer instead of trying to work Sillinger into it. Or have the adds be a literal throw-in, not an asset with standalone value.Why? Colorado's part of this is already pure risk.
Fine. Then remove Girard or any picks the Avs add in order to balance value out.Because that's double-dipping. The risk is why Laine is available at the rates he is. We're not going to throw in Sillinger to compensate even more for said risk.
Laine at 50% retained may return future considerations.With apologies, I don’t care. Mitigate the risk by changing the offer instead of trying to work Sillinger into it. Or have the adds be a literal throw-in, not an asset with standalone value.
I say all this because CBJ is not likely interested in moving Sillinger and his inclusion is what’s making the arrival at fair value more difficult.
I mean that certainly removes Sillinger from the discussion.Laine at 50% retained may return future considerations.
They usually don't include 1st round picks and prospects as future considerationsLaine at 50% retained may return future considerations.
Oh, I can see this aging very well indeed.Laine at 50% retained may return future considerations.
Not to pick a nit, but Sillinger is now a fourth-year player, an RFA, and no longer has waiver options. If he’s only good enough for the Minors for the Avs, he’s playing for another team that claimed him for waivers.CBJ fans debatably believe it's lopsided, but why does the AVs make this deal?
AVs, is cap related with only $4.8M available. Problematic scenarios with Laine reduces $1.95M against the cap. Risks Landy ($7M) and Nuke ($6.125M possibly November) returning. They add a player missing on average 25+ season last 3 years, to jettison roster players. Potential issues:
Irrespective on hoping for the best scenario, next season Rants expects to resign for approx. $2M increase. Drouin needs to be resigned and accepted a 1 year deal for $1.5M below MV. Losing Girard to add another surplus Winger does not benefit the AVs.
- One player returns. Roster player traded. Sillinger remains in the Minors and cannot replace Girard.
- Two players return. Worst possibility resulting in a fire sale. 2+ Roster players need to be traded. Sillinger remains in the Minors and cannot replace Girard.
- No player returns. Best possibility and returns to averaging point per game and Sillinger could join the roster in a 3rd/4th line role. Girard replaced with a cheap 5/6 DMan.
It might seem overwhelming for the AVs, but they don't really benefit. I just don't see why either team makes this deal.
Not to pick a nit, but Sillinger is now a fourth-year player, an RFA, and no longer has waiver options. If he’s only good enough for the Minors for the Avs, he’s playing for another team that claimed him for waivers.
…okay? That has nothing to do with anything I said, which was responding to your first two bulletpoints, which were both impossible for the reason I stated. I don’t know why I engaged in the first place.CBJ could easily find another team to beat the AVs offer.
Laine was never rumoured for the AVs due to their Cap situation. Sillinger is restricted by having Laine + Landy/Nuke contracts. The more likely scenario is dumping salaries ie. Girard for Sillinger.
Like how Laine’s career has aged well? Dude peaked on his ELC. He’s fallen off a cliff the past few years before going to rehab and walking away from the sport.Oh, I can see this aging very well indeed.![]()
Like how Laine’s career has aged well? Dude peaked on his ELC. He’s fallen off a cliff the past few years before going to rehab and walking away from the sport.
His value has never been lower than it is today. Dude is definitely negative value at his current AAV of $8.7mm. That’s not in dispute.
Does he have value at 50% retained? I think no, maybe name recognition will get a few of the old school GMs excited. But that’s doubtful. He’s a lazy, defensively inept ex-goal scorer coming off a long stint in the players assistance program. Really sells itself doesn’t it.
Hold on a second. Back up. When did we start talking about someone other than Patrick Laine?Like how Laine’s career has aged well? Dude peaked on his ELC. He’s fallen off a cliff the past few years before going to rehab and walking away from the sport.
His value has never been lower than it is today. Dude is definitely negative value at his current AAV of $8.7mm. That’s not in dispute.
Does he have value at 50% retained? I think no, maybe name recognition will get a few of the old school GMs excited. But that’s doubtful. He’s a lazy, defensively inept ex-goal scorer coming off a long stint in the players assistance program. Really sells itself doesn’t it.
Doubling down... there's a strategy we haven't seen in a while Cotton.Like how Laine’s career has aged well? Dude peaked on his ELC. He’s fallen off a cliff the past few years before going to rehab and walking away from the sport.
His value has never been lower than it is today. Dude is definitely negative value at his current AAV of $8.7mm. That’s not in dispute.
Does he have value at 50% retained? I think no, maybe name recognition will get a few of the old school GMs excited. But that’s doubtful. He’s a lazy, defensively inept ex-goal scorer coming off a long stint in the players assistance program. Really sells itself doesn’t it.
Fair, but that wasn't really the target of the postPlease. The fact that it keeps coming up during the playoffs doesn't make it a playoffs issue.
Sillinger is not a top 6 center...Sillinger is a bottom 6 center but it’s not long too promising for him with at center with Monahan, Jenner, Fantilli, Voronkov maybe even Kent Johnson all fighting for 3 line spots down the middle at center.
If Fantilli, Voronkov or even Kent Johnson can’t get their shit together then the 3C is Sillinger’s to lose at worst he could end up at 4C...
A) You are starting to sound bitter because nobody likes your proposalI’m not a...Columbus Blue Jackets fan...
...Columbus are most likely tanking...
Denton Mateychuk should be starting in the AHL, it would be unwise for Waddell to let his rookie defenseman get caved in on a shit team, does nothing....