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Tennis: Australian Open 2025

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Forget the athletes. Collectively that entire crowd looks like they have been through the wringer. :laugh:
 
Wouldn't it be wild if Zverev and Keys, in other words, the two players generally considered the best of their gender never to have won a GS, achieved the feat in the same tournament. That would be a real head shaker.

Rewatched the breaker. Keys won 5 of the last 6 points including two massive unreturnable serves to get her to match point.
 
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kihei said:
Yeah, if it is a normal seven-point tie breaker Swiatek wins the match.
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Oh yeah but the point you made about Keys winning a ton of points consecutively was the point she also made as well.

kihei said:
Wouldn't it be wild if Zverev and Keys, in other words, the two players generally considered the best of their gender never to have won a GS, achieved the feat in the same tournament. That would be a real head shaker.

Rewatched the breaker. Keys won 5 of the last 6 points including two massive unreturnable serves to get her to match point.
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I think Novak beats him tonight but I also can't see how he would beat Sinner unless Sasha has the 2 best serving games of his life which I mean it's doable
 
ZachaFlockaFlame said:
I think Novak beats him tonight but I also can't see how he would beat Sinner unless Sasha has the 2 best serving games of his life which I mean it's doable
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Given Zverev's nerves and history of underachievement in GSs, it is almost impossible to see him knocking off Djokovic AND Sinner back to back this deep in a GS. Not quite outside the realm of possibility, but very much a distinct long shot. After Jannik's performance against Demon, I find it hard to believe anyone could beat Sinner right now. Maybe his body could betray him or he could turn an ankle, but if he is right physically, he is alone in his own separate tier.
 
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It feels like Keys should’ve won one of these slams over the years. Might be the year she has everything clicking at the right time. I think she’s one of the few that can match Sabalenka’s power, but she can also be very erratic and just spray the ball everywhere. Sabalenka has the edge, but if Keys is on she could give her a test.

I could see Zverev winning, but it’ll still be difficult. Beating Djokovic and then (likely) Sinner is difficult. Can totally buy he beats one of the two. Two of the two seems more difficult. Medvedev has done this a few times in recent years when he plays spoiler to some combo of Sinner, Djokovic, Alcaraz finals, and then he lays an egg in the final because he had nothing left. Could see Zverev denying us a Djokovic-Sinner final, but then losing to Sinner in 3.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
It feels like Keys should’ve won one of these slams over the years. Might be the year she has everything clicking at the right time. I think she’s one of the few that can match Sabalenka’s power, but she can also be very erratic and just spray the ball everywhere. Sabalenka has the edge, but if Keys is on she could give her a test.

I could see Zverev winning, but it’ll still be difficult. Beating Djokovic and then (likely) Sinner is difficult. Can totally buy he beats one of the two. Two of the two seems more difficult. Medvedev has done this a few times in recent years when he plays spoiler to some combo of Sinner, Djokovic, Alcaraz finals, and then he lays an egg in the final because he had nothing left. Could see Zverev denying us a Djokovic-Sinner final, but then losing to Sinner in 3.
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Keys would've won Wimbledon last year if hamstring doesn't pop v Paolini late and causing her to withdraw. Also the US open match v Sabalenka in 2023 was a pretty bad choke too by her, Zverev like lol. I think she would've done better v Coco and probably won since it seems like Sabalenka got rattled a bit by the pro Coco crowd at the US Open for that final

kihei said:
Given Zverev's nerves and history of underachievement in GSs, it is almost impossible to see him knocking off Djokovic AND Sinner back to back this deep in a GS. Not quite outside the realm of possibility, but very much a distinct long shot. After Jannik's performance against Demon, I find it hard to believe anyone could beat Sinner right now. Maybe his body could betray him or he could turn an ankle, but if he is right physically, he is alone in his own separate tier.
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My worry is that injury Novak got could hamper him on returns a bit, a lot of adrenaline and pain killers were probably helpful in the Alcaraz match but once you come down from all of that stuff, it's a bit tougher to regain that level. It's f***ing Novak so if anyone can do it, it's him but I still worry a bit. Zverev also has been knocking on the door for years so I wouldn't be surprised if we got Sinner/Zverev. But agreed, no one is beating Jannik at this rate.
 
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ZachaFlockaFlame said:
Keys would've won Wimbledon last year if hamstring doesn't pop v Paolini late and causing her to withdraw. Also the US open match v Sabalenka in 2023 was a pretty bad choke too by her, Zverev like lol. I think she would've done better v Coco and probably won since it seems like Sabalenka got rattled a bit by the pro Coco crowd at the US Open for that final
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The loss to Stephens in the US Open final is the one that sticks with me. She was better than Stephens at that time. Just didn't have it that day.
 
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I think Zverev could win tonight but I think he would need help from Nole in the form of an injury or an impairment of some kind that limits his mobility. On paper, all of Zverev's strengths, like his insane first serve percentage, are things that Nole can counter, in this instance with his still world-best return game. And, in terms of the mental aspects of the game, pressure points and court generalship, Djokovic would appear to have a huge advantage. It's going to be a tall order for Zverev to overcome. It would require something close to the best match of his life (again, assuming Nole is fit).
 
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Zverev takes the breaker on a very bad unforced error by Nole, but, really, he was significantly the better player that set. Nole looks a little flat, flirting with possum mode perhaps. He needs to raise his game.
 
kihei said:
Zverev takes the breaker on a very bad unforced error by Nole, but, really, he was significantly the better player that set. Nole looks a little flat, flirting with possum mode perhaps. He needs to raise his game.
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Nole quit before you posted.
 
Yeah, the lob winner to take lead in tiebreak, but showed zero emotion despite winning that epic point. Knew he was gonna retire, just didn't think right after TB and would play a bit in 2nd as well.
 
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Novak just said in his presser that he didn't hit a ball from the time he beat Alcaraz until about an hour before his match against Zverev. Pretty wild that he still looked that competitive.

He mentioned a muscle tear being the cause.
 
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spitsfan24 said:
Novak just said in his presser that he didn't hit a ball from the time he beat Alcaraz until about an hour before his match against Zverev. Pretty wild that he still looked that competitive.

He mentioned a muscle tear being the cause.
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He had a very similar tear a couple of years ago. Like Roger and Rafa before him, perhaps Nole's body is just saying no, this is far as I far as I am going to take you.
 
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kihei said:
He had a very similar tear a couple of years ago. Like Roger and Rafa before him, perhaps Nole's body is just saying no, this is far as I far as I am going to take you.
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It certainly looks that way. What's crazy to me is how elite he still looks despite being held together by duct tape for what, 50% of his matches in the last year?

I was pretty excited for the match tonight. I'll preface that by saying I'm fairly new to tennis. I've been a casual fan for probably about a decade by now, but only since the '24 US Open have I been really paying attention thoroughly.

I know Zverev has a reputation for crumbling in the big moments, but I was genuinely curious to see the supposed new version of himself tested against Novak tonight.
 
I mentioned that Novak thing possibly happening after the match v Alcaraz. It's just too hard for the human body to condition yourself to consistently to play through pain without the same insane adrenaline and pain killers. Alcaraz must feel like Novak hates him because of the gold medal and retiring right after in this AO lol.

Also Shelton just sold the biggest chance he had in this match, Sinner is just an assassin when he's down in a match or set.
 
First set breaker to Sinner. Shelton had 18 unforced forehand errors and yet the set was extremely close. What a study in contrasts, though: intuitive vs analytic; raw vs polished; impatient vs calculated; improvisational vs disciplined, kind of like jazz vs classical.

Filppula said:
Shelton far too passive on those set points. He blew it.
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Inexperience, still. He never gave himself a ghost of a chance in the breaker, either.
 
This reminds me of Sinner Paul at the US Open where Paul blew a double break first set and Sinner beat him in 3. Shelton had his chance and it's completely gone now.
 
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