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If it's his head they need to fix it.
If he is injured then get him off the ice and healed.
He is playing no better than a 3rd line centre at 5v5. ROR #1 center, JT #2 and AM #3.
The past few games he is not the AM we know, whatever the reason.
Watch his game, he is not breaking out, he is not getting into shooting space except on pp, he is playing his own zone only.
Either they fix him or golf course here we come, AGAIN!
 
Shades of Phil Kessel when watching him back check at times this season. Most talented player on the team no question but this season he’s a bit inconsistent and hardly dynamic. Hopefully he is saving it for round one.
 
Mathews isn't a puck dominant player that's why he worked so well with Mitch , unfortunately we need Mitch to play with JT so he can inflate his number to respectable levels .
 
Dekes For Days said:
Matthews has been better by the eye test - which, by the way, is also impacted by those things previously mentioned.

Point was injured partway through game 7 against us. He played in all 7 games, so not quite the same situation.
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He may have played but he was playing on one leg .
Wasn't is normal self
 
horner said:
He may have played but he was playing on one leg .
Wasn't is normal self
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What are you even talking about? Point injured his leg partway through game 7 against us, and was healthy and playing the whole rest of the series.
Point played on one leg in two games against Colorado, and missed the other 4 games of that series entirely.
 
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Apotheosis said:
No offence to Matthews, but anything over 12 million is an overpayment when you look at what Mack got AFTER winning a cup.
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Cups are meaningless to player salaries as it is teams that win a Cup, not individual players.

And players are paid based on cap percentages (not AAV) to keep valuations consistent over time/seasons.

He's getting between 13 and 14 million minimum.

How many major trophies/accolades (Lindsays, Rockets, Hart, 1st team all-stars, etc.) has MacKinnon won?
 
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kb said:
Cups are meaningless to player salaries as it is teams that win a Cup, not individual players.

And players are paid based on cap percentages (not AAV) to keep valuations consistent over time/seasons.

He's getting between 13 and 14 million minimum.

How many major trophies/accolades (Lindsays, Rockets, Hart, 1st team all-stars, etc.) has MacKinnon won?
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I would hope that that's maximum, not minimum.

Covid hit right after M&M signed their deals and the covid effect on the cap reduced contracts for all the stars that signed during the last 3 years. My point is that M&M were so lucky, the timing was perfect for them and since they benefitted (compared to their peers who signed deals over the last 3 years), it would be only polite, fair and reasonable for them to settle for something less than top dollar this time around.

Also, I'm a pretty big Matthews fan but he's not having the greatest of seasons so not sure how he would justify asking for even 13 million. Unless of course it's that using his pending UFA status as the stick to beat us over the head with. JMHO.
 
Gary Nylund said:
I would hope that that's maximum, not minimum.

Covid hit right after M&M signed their deals and the covid effect on the cap reduced contracts for all the stars that signed during the last 3 years. My point is that M&M were so lucky, the timing was perfect for them and since they benefitted (compared to their peers who signed deals over the last 3 years), it would be only polite, fair and reasonable for them to settle for something less than top dollar this time around.

Also, I'm a pretty big Matthews fan but he's not having the greatest of seasons so not sure how he would justify asking for even 13 million. Unless of course it's that using his pending UFA status as the stick to beat us over the head with. JMHO.
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According to this article I posted on the previous page, it would have cost the Leafs in that range to sign him 4 years ago for 8 years coming off his ELC, so it's highly unlikely he's signing for less now than he would have back then. This season you can tell he's playing through something, and that it's clearly affecting him.

When salaries are negotiated, it's done based on cap percentages and not AAV.

Leafs lock up Auston Matthews with a team-friendly five-year, $58.17 million extension

“We made the investment in Auston because he’s shown tremendous potential,” Dubas said. “He’s a centre and he scores at an elite rate few have matched in his first three years of hockey. We know what he’s capable of and he’s still a very young man. He has a lot of potential that we have to help him reach.”

Matthews initially wanted an eight-year term, which would have cost the Maple Leafs a pretty sum, possibly as much as $13 million to $14 million a year, since he would have been sacrificing a few years of free agency.

It would have squeezed the cap so tightly that some good players might have had to be moved to create cap space. Dubas said Matthews showed his commitment to the team by offering a shorter term.

“We’re very thankful that they were willing to move from their desired term, and obviously everyone wants to be here for as long as possible, so we were able to find an AAV (average annual value) that works for everybody,” Dubas said. “And we were able to lock him in, and also to maintain some flexibility as we move ahead.”
 
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TMLeafer said:
I wonder how the PP minutes/opportunities also stack up against Ovechkin
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Ovechkin has basically doubled Matthews in powerplay time for many of their big seasons.

For instance Ovechkin was ranked 2nd in powerplay time during his 65 goal season, averaging 5:43 per game.

Matthews was 65th last season, averaging 3:06 per game. Pretty sure every season of his career before that he had less powerplay time as well.

In Matthews rookie season played just over 17 minutes and 2:28 on the powerplay and finished tied for 2nd in goals.

Ovechkin in his rookie season was above 20 minutes and 5 minutes again and finished 3rd in goals.

Matthews has more powerplay goals than Ovechkin the past 3 seasons in about 300 less minutes overall.

This is why it's so funny to see people claim with full authority that Matthews isn't on Ovechkin's level as a goalscorer when he very clearly is if you look at it objectively.
 
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authentic said:
Ovechkin has basically doubled Matthews in powerplay time for many of their big seasons.

For instance Ovechkin was ranked 2nd in powerplay time during his 65 goal season, averaging 5:43 per game.

Matthews was 65th last season, averaging 3:06 per game. Pretty sure every season of his career before that he had less powerplay time as well.

In Matthews rookie season played just over 17 minutes and 2:28 on the powerplay and finished tied for 2nd in goals.

Ovechkin in his rookie season was above 20 minutes and 5 minutes again and finished 3rd in goals.

Matthews has more powerplay goals than Ovechkin the past 3 seasons in about 300 less minutes overall.

This is why it's so funny to see people claim with full authority that Matthews isn't on Ovechkin's level as a goalscorer when he very clearly is if you look at it objectively.
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This is always an interesting aspect of the debate.

You really have to wonder how much PP time goes into some of these career-defining years. As you pointed out here Ovechkin has relied on the PP a ton to get the goal totals he has. Then take McDavid this year as another example, he has an astonishing margin between him and the rest of the pack this year in total production but when you look at ES production - he's really not ahead of the pack by much at all.

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So basically, if you're going to have one of these generational years - is it basically a requirement that you have to get fed an unusual amount of PP time to achieve such feats?
 
IPS said:
This is always an interesting aspect of the debate.

You really have to wonder how much PP time goes into some of these career-defining years. As you pointed out here Ovechkin has relied on the PP a ton to get the goal totals he has. Then take McDavid this year as another example, he has an astonishing margin between him and the rest of the pack this year in total production but when you look at ES production - he's really not ahead of the pack by much at all.

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So basically, if you're going to have one of these generational years - is it basically a requirement that you have to get fed an unusual amount of PP time to achieve such feats?
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Erik Karlsson a defenseman has 1 less ES point in 1 less game... But it's still insane what McDavid is doing as he's averaging 3:56 per game on the powerplay which ranks 20th this season. He also has 7 shorthanded points so basically while he is the most dominant on the powerplay it's hard to fault him for it considering he's not getting an outrageous amount of powerplay time like Ovechkin always does.
 
authentic said:
Not only this

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Erik Karlsson a defenseman has 1 less ES point in 1 less game... But it's still insane what McDavid is doing as he's averaging 3:56 per game on the powerplay which ranks 20th this season. He also has 7 shorthanded points so basically while he is the most dominant on the powerplay it's hard to fault him for it considering he's not getting an outrageous amount of powerplay time like Ovechkin always does.
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For sure, I'm in no way discrediting his season. The fact is is that his historic season is mostly due to his PP dominance. I think the Oilers are 6th in the league in PP opportunities - so you are correct that he doesn't get much PP time at all compared to prime Ovechkin.
And I'm actually shocked he doesn't get more points short handed.
 
authentic said:
Not only this

www.nhl.com

NHL Stats

The official source for NHL Stats including skaters, goalies, teams stats and more.
www.nhl.com www.nhl.com

Erik Karlsson a defenseman has 1 less ES point in 1 less game... But it's still insane what McDavid is doing as he's averaging 3:56 per game on the powerplay which ranks 20th this season. He also has 7 shorthanded points so basically while he is the most dominant on the powerplay it's hard to fault him for it considering he's not getting an outrageous amount of powerplay time like Ovechkin always does.
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I think his PP TOI looks artificially low considering how often they’re scoring on it. Edmonton is 6th with 272 PP opportunities and I’d imagine he’s started every single one of them even if they score 15 seconds in.
 
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