News Article: Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

[WillyC]

Does anyone have credible information that Auston wants more than Mack?

Seriously, does anyone have anything credible?

 

[BallardEra]

And he dominates at even strength scoring here too. While guys like Ovie lean hard on the PP to drive his totals

Ovechkin is #3 in ESG behind Matthews and McDavid during that same span.

Very impressive considering those were his age 31 to age 37 seasons.

Hopefully Matthews can match his career when he gets to the back 9.

 

[francis246]

Since 2016-2017

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Proves my point further. The guy is an absolute stud when it comes to putting it in the back of the net.

 

[al secord]

No we weren't. But why does it have to be one extreme or the other? Why can't we be like Tampa, Pittsburgh, Chicago, or Colorado where we lock-in our stars long-term and enjoy the ride? I don't understand the rationale of using miserable Leafs teams vs. spoiled Leafs teams as the only valid measuring stick.

Because the spoiled Leaf team has great players. You and others seem to want mediocrity. Playoff bubble teams who mean well but don't have a chance in hell.

 

[PromisedLand]

Crosby, Kane, Stamkos, Hedman, Malkin each signed 5x year deals post ELC just like Matthews though before their big deals...

but each also had tremendous personal and team achievements in regular and post season.

Also when Matthews signed his comparable had 8 year deals 1) McDavid, 2) Draisaitl, 3) Eichel, etc.

Also there wasn't a Tavares contract screwing up any of the pens, hawks or bolts

11.6 AAV for 5 years was always a significant overpay in comparison to his comparable at the time

 

[al secord]

We've finally drafted and developed elite players after decades of misery and there's a faction here who wish to throw them out with the bath water.

 

[PromisedLand]

stop paying for "paces" and "the future".

start paying for actual results.

culture needs to change from murses to results.

Seconded!

anything that has "expected" attached to it whether "pace" or "xGF" or "xCF" or whatever should be thrown out the door.

 

[ToneDog]

Does anyone have credible information that Auston wants more than Mack?

Seriously, does anyone have anything credible?

Just what insiders have said. Highest paid and will not be for max term.

 

[GoonieFace]

We've finally drafted and developed elite players after decades of misery and there's a faction here who wish to throw them out with the bath water.

Elite regular season players maybe

 

[Throw More Waffles]

We've finally drafted and developed elite players after decades of misery and there's a faction here who wish to throw them out with the bath water.

Yeah, and the super expensive ones are all forwards.

So we want to TRADE one of them to fill out the rest of the roster.

It’s not like the team didn’t give it a try. These guys were drafted 7 years ago…

 

[Racer88]

Goal pace...

2016-2017: 40
2017-2018: 45
2018-2019: 45
2019-2020: 55
2020-2021: 65
2021-2022: 67
2022-2023: 44

While getting abnormally low PP time through his career, and playing injured in a couple of those seasons.

Calling that just a 40 goal scorer is pretty misleading, even aside from stripping away all of the other things he's elite at.

I call what he actual scores.
on pace for is something that player agents probably use but I use reality……..things that actually happen.
there is no award for “on pace”.
they never say or record what the great scores are on pace for, only what the accomplish.
wayne Gretzky score x number of goals not on pace for.
my God it’s a nonsense thing

 

[Racer88]

No we weren't. But why does it have to be one extreme or the other? Why can't we be like Tampa, Pittsburgh, Chicago, or Colorado where we lock-in our stars long-term and enjoy the ride? I don't understand the rationale of using miserable Leafs teams vs. spoiled Leafs teams as the only valid measuring stick.

I wonder how many of those teams had 50% of their cap in four similar forwards.
also some of those teams had some of the most intense players ever

 

[Dekes For Days]

I call what he actual scores.

Your method essentially blames him for the league playing less games due to a global pandemic, which ends up misrepresenting what he actually scores and brings to a team relative to the rest of the league.

 

[authentic]

Does anyone have credible information that Auston wants more than Mack?

Seriously, does anyone have anything credible?

I believe he does personally, but I agree that nearly everything his haters say about him have essentially zero facts to back them up.

 

[PromisedLand]

No we weren't. But why does it have to be one extreme or the other? Why can't we be like Tampa, Pittsburgh, Chicago, or Colorado where we lock-in our stars long-term and enjoy the ride? I don't understand the rationale of using miserable Leafs teams vs. spoiled Leafs teams as the only valid measuring stick.

its quite pathetic IMO. Its the same narrative that was spun by dubas shills when he was tossed. They started bringing in the ballad years in the narrative too.

its almost like leafs have to do something ridiculous or they will go back into the dark ages. They never freakin' ask why can't Leafs do what other competent franchises in the NHL have been able to do or heck do even better.

The narrative thats pushed here really grinds my gears

A) oh look other teams screwed up to; so its ok for Leafs to screw up
B) don't look at other competent franchises; just look at their mistakes and compare to the leafs.
C) Never talk about what innovative and different things Leafs can do to get some competitive advantage whether its team building, cap allocation, system, etc...

It has been frustrating to read some of the takes here. it is almost like if Leafs screwed up its okay because there are other teams who screwed up too. And the worst of it all is teh "pandemic" excuse. All teams had to go through the pandemic. There were other teams that signed players the same time as matthews, marner and nylander too. But nobody wants to look at that and use pandemic as an excuse. It really frustrates me as a Leafs fan. Its almost like we don't want to improve and just point to X,Y,Z and find excuses.

 

[ACC1224]

Does anyone have credible information that Auston wants more than Mack?

Seriously, does anyone have anything credible?

‘Credible’ means different things to different people.
I don’t believe there is anything credible.

 

[PromisedLand]

Since 2016-2017

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There are other aspects to goal scoring in the game of hockey. Ovi when not producing brings in other elements like hitting, etc.

When matthews and marner are not scoring they are useless. This is even more relevant to Tavares who can't even keep up with the speed of the game and has a 11 AAV cap hit

 

[PromisedLand]

Auston Matthews is turning 26 this year and figures to still do his best regular season work and put together his playoff legacy over the next number of seasons.

He also has 1 year remaining on his current deal, so whatever length we're talking about will in essence be a X+1 contract length, taking him to a certain age likely in his early 30s.

The reason why a 6 year deal makes sense is because you're getting him for the next 7 years. That's a very long run for him to prove himself, and at 32-33, he will be John Tavares' age now, so that's a perfect time to reassess, re-sign, recommit, whatever. It's just flexibility. Insisting on the full term to take him up to 35 is just more commitment for the sake of commitment.

I assume we would be trading more futures to compete sometime in the future. Having Matthews signed long-term can be used as a trade piece down the road when we eventually decide to re-tool or rebuild again.

ROR returned a 1st round pick, i think matthews if he is still productive ccan return even more in the future if leafs retain on one to two years down the road.

the contract structure has to be done right i.e. no NMCs and NTCs in the last 2 to 3 years of the contract.

 

[authentic]

There are other aspects to goal scoring in the game of hockey. Ovi when not producing brings in other elements like hitting, etc.

When matthews and marner are not scoring they are useless. This is even more relevant to Tavares who can't even keep up with the speed of the game and has a 11 AAV cap hit

Lol say what, Matthews brings far more to the game beyond scoring than Ovechkin does

Compared to Matthews Ovechkin is a powerplay specialist who hits well, does not drive play at all at ES. Comparing the ES play of Matthews and Ovechkin at this point would be like comparing Ovechkin and a 4th liner. Even when taking into consideration the amount of powerplay time they each receive since Matthews career began Ovechkin is not even a better PP scorer.

 

[PromisedLand]

Just what insiders have said. Highest paid and will not be for max term.

I recall Dreger and Friedman kept saying matthews will get 12M for 5 years when he was about to sign his first post ELC contract. I thought they were out to lunch but hey they were pretty close.

Same guys are speculating now 15 AAV for 5 years, i am gonna be so freakin' mad if that happens

 

[Dekes For Days]

There are other aspects to goal scoring in the game of hockey. Ovi when not producing brings in other elements like hitting, etc. When matthews and marner are not scoring they are useless.

Ovechkin is pretty much as one-dimensional goal-scoring as you can get, and Matthews and Marner bring exponentially more outside of scoring.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

We've finally drafted and developed elite players after decades of misery and there's a faction here who wish to throw them out with the bath water.

Leafs fans looking for these "elite" players in the playoffs...

 

[PromisedLand]

Lol say what, Matthews brings far more to the game beyond scoring than Ovechkin does

Compared to Matthews Ovechkin is a powerplay specialist who hits well, does not drive play at all at ES. Comparing the ES play of Matthews and Ovechkin at this point would be like comparing Ovechkin and a 4th liner. Even when taking into consideration the amount of powerplay time they each receive since Matthews career began Ovechkin is not even a better PP scorer.

Special teams is part of the game and Leafs SUCKED ASS on special teams every playoffs. If Matthews can't get it done even strength, he should at least bring it on the PP which he doesn't in comparison to Ovi.

Ovi has 1000+ career points. when matthews has that achievement you can talk about him in the same breath as Ovi.

Matthews wants to be paid like McDavid but his his production is a JOKE compared to McDavid

 

[ToneDog]

I recall Dreger and Friedman kept saying matthews will get 12M for 5 years when he was about to sign his first post ELC contract. I thought they were out to lunch but hey they were pretty close.

Same guys are speculating now 15 AAV for 5 years, i am gonna be so freakin' mad if that happens

I recall Dreger saying $14+ and thought he was nuts. Turns out he was right after you reduce the term to 5 years.

No worries, it can't possibly be $15m. More likely 13.34x3 or 5.

 

[PromisedLand]

Ovechkin is pretty much as one-dimensional goal-scoring as you can get, and Matthews and Marner bring exponentially more outside of scoring.

ok what did they bring in the last 7 years in the playoffs that helped Leafs go on deep runs

go ahead explain

I recall Dreger saying $14+ and thought he was nuts. Turns out he was right after you reduce the term to 5 years.

No worries, it can't possibly be $15m. More likely 13.34x3 or 5.

IMHO I think 12.5 for 8 years is a good deal for Matthews based on what he brings. He is not a good playmaker and is injury prone. Leafs gotta be proactive in doing the right thing.

13 aav even for 8 years is too much IMO; if he wants 5 years he can sign for what he was at 11.6 period and no ntc/nmc.