Aashir Mallik
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Fair, but matthews is also outpacing him by 12 goals
I don't think it's unfair to say this season stacks up very well against that season, if not better
Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96
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I don't think it's unfair to say this season stacks up very well against that season, if not better
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AuraSphere
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It's so necessary to troll Stutzle posters.
The gap between Matthews and the 2nd leading scorer Reinhart is the amount of goals Stutzle had this season going into tonights game
The gap between Matthews and the 2nd leading scorer Reinhart is the amount of goals Stutzle had this season going into tonights game
Trying to do whatever you can to take it away.
Is that even true anymore?
Yes, amazingly yes.
Going to call it right now. 77 goals for Matthews.
I mean it is objectively better compared to the rest of the league, after the same amount of games, or goals.
Ovechkin scored his 50th, 51st and 52nd goal in his 67th game.
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Matthews now with 51 in 54 (nhl.com hasn’t added his two goals yet)
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Unless he has an unusually bad finish to the season this will be one for the ages.
Sheppy
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What Matthews is doing is indeed special.
But he didn’t beat The Rock and Stone Cold in the same night…
But he didn’t beat The Rock and Stone Cold in the same night…
SI90
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Insane company and the fact that ovi isn’t there is also pretty insane
Goalscoring looks pretty close compared to scoring in those seasons, but Ovi did it "alone" 112 points and 65 goals where the second guy on the team had 69 points.
Matthews is one of the most stacked teams offensively and will struggle to beat Ovechkin's point total this year in a higher scoring season. Will very likely beat 65 goals, but wouldnt say Matthews season is better considering how hard Ovi Carried the Capitals vs Matthews where they have several guys doing the work.
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5th most ever and behind only 3 other players would be amazing. It’s already staggering that in the span of just 4 games we’ve gone from thinking 70 was possible to now something like 77.
Matthews also plays an elite two-way game and doesn’t get to spend a quarter of his ice time blasting one-timers repeatedly on the powerplay, or hovering by his own blue line waiting for a breakout pass 24/7 at even strength.
Overall Ovechkin was the better offensive threat, Matthews is the better goal scorer with a much better two-way game.
Game by game, Matthews is proving he is definitely the best goal scorer of the modern hockey history.
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Divine
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Ovi also played 5:37 a game on the PP in 2007-2008
Matthews is playing 3:16 a game on the PP this season
Projecting that over 82 games would mean Ovechkin spent a good 3 hours and 12 minutes more on the PP than Matthews would this season if the pace stays the same.
I think keeping one player on the PP for 3 hours more than another probably helps their stats a lot.
Matthews is a much better even-strength scorer than Ovechkin was but Ovechkin got significantly more PP time than nearly everyone else in the league during his prime.
Since he entered the league, Ovechkin played 1300 more minutes on the PP than number 2 Crosby.
I try to watch as much as I can, but I will say in recent years, the Leafs have entered the territory similar to the Raptors in the Derozan/Lowry era in Toronto, where nothing really matters until the playoffs. So, if I miss the occasional game, I don't feel bad, or try to schedule so I can watch each game. Right now with Matthews's heater, every game feels like a must watch because he's chasing something so unique (70+).
Like, as of right now, he just needs to stay healthy, and score at the pace he has over the past 5 years for the remaining games.
nowhereman
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This guy is insane. I know that scoring is way up and nostalgia might be preventing me from giving him the nod against OV, peak vs. peak goalscoring-wise, but what he's doing has to at least be comparable (though I still think peak OV is one of the best players ever). I mean, Matthews is pacing for almost 75+ goals. This season could end up alongside the likes of OV in 07-08, Hull in 90-91, Lemieux in 88-89, Esposito in 70-71 and Gretzky in 83-84.
BostonBob
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No no no.
Someone has argued with me, and I think they might be onto something with it, that for offensive players, more power play time is actually detrimental to scoring.
So you see, the league is once again helping the Leafs by not allowing their best players to slog through too much power play time and therefore giving them an advantage in scoring!
It's really big brain stuff the league is pulling here to help the Maple Laffs.
Quoting myself here incase you missed it.
I mean it is objectively better compared to the rest of the league, after the same amount of games, or goals.
Ovechkin scored his 50th, 51st and 52nd goal in his 67th game.
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Matthews now with 51 in 54 (nhl.com hasn’t added his two goals yet)
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Unless he has an unusually bad finish to the season this will be one for the ages.
Divine
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People make the wildest argument.
Does more PP make you score less? You won't get goals taken away. I can buy that maybe your pace drops overtime.. but you won't lose goals so more is always better.
Divine
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Crazy stat:
Auston Matthews - 51 goals in 54 games
Ottawa Senators - 49 points in 53 games
Imagine at the beginning of the season you told someone that Auston Matthews would score more goals than the Senators would get points
Auston Matthews - 51 goals in 54 games
Ottawa Senators - 49 points in 53 games
Imagine at the beginning of the season you told someone that Auston Matthews would score more goals than the Senators would get points
Quick, someone revive the Matthews vs Stutzle debate where Leaf haters unequivocally told us Timmmmmmay is better.
Not a better even strength scorer than prime Ovi. In 07-08 Ovi had 75 even strength points 9 ahead of second Malkin.
If you look at the top even strength point seasons after the lockout you find there are a lot of seasons around 2020 +/- 2-3 seasons as scoring is up. The best even strength seasons around Ovi's prime are.
09/10 H. Sedin 83
07/08 Ovechkin 75 (tied 14th after lockout)
11/12 Malkin 75
09/10 Ovechkin 73
09/10 Crosby 72
05/06 Thornton 72
Ovechkin in his prime tilted the ice in on even strength. If you watch some hockey in Ovi's first years in the league you will see he tilted the ice way more than Matthews are. Still Matthews is just as good as a goalscorer and I think this season matches up well goalscoring wise vs Ovechkin, but I dont think Matthews is as dominant in his overall impact on the ice where Ovi carried his team. So rocket wise Matthews season might be better, but in a Hart vote I would go Ovi.
