LEAFS GDT Atlantic Division - Race to the 1st

Except right now, TB, Fla, Car and Was are all favoured ahead of the Leafs. They will most certainly not all be eliminated before the Leafs can play them.
When the playoffs start, I expect the Leafs will be favourites over Tampa and Carolina, but not Florida (for obvious reasons) and Washington (because the conference leader usually gets the benefit of the doubt).
 
Yes, I would tell you that each of those series' was its own isolated event whose outcome was not based on prior years' outcomes. Those Leafs teams lost those series because in most cases the opponent was either better coached, had better goaltending or, in some of those early years, better players in those specific circumstances. This current Leafs team is different from those prior teams, as much as people want to say this is all about only 4 players. It isn't. It is about having a better overall team, from coaching down to goaltending.
That is just completely false that they are isolated events. We can debate about how much each series predicts a later series’ outcome, but if you think it’s zero then I highly recommend looking into some basic statistics.
 
When the playoffs start, I expect the Leafs will be favourites over Tampa and Carolina, but not Florida (for obvious reasons) and Washington (because the conference leader usually gets the benefit of the doubt).
Tampa most likely.

Carolina I would not say the Leafs will be favourites. Depends on who has home ice.
 
Tampa most likely.

Carolina I would not say the Leafs will be favourites. Depends on who has home ice.
I think even if Carolina were to have home ice, the Leafs would be small favourites on the betting line. Again, this is completely meaningless, which I know we all know.
 
That is just completely false that they are isolated events. We can debate about how much each series predicts a later series’ outcome, but if you think it’s zero then I highly recommend looking into some basic statistics.
If all variables were equal - same players each year against the same opponent (itself with the same players) each year - then sure, let's put weight on the predictive value of one year to the next.
 
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If all variables were equal - same players each year against the same opponent (itself with the same players) each year - then sure, let's put weight on the predictive value of one year to the next.
That’s not how it works. All variables do not need to be the same. Some can be the same and I would argue the most important variables in the series have remained relatively the same.

By the way, I did the math for you and if we assume that the leafs has a 50% chance on average in each series, there is only a 1.7% chance that they’d lose 8 times in 9 series.
 
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That’s not how it works. All variables do not need to be the same. Some can be the same and I would argue the most important variables in the series have remained relatively the same.

By the way, I did the math for you and if we assume that the leafs has a 50% chance on average in each series, there is only a 1.7% chance that they’d lose 8 times in 9 series.
If your sample size is 9, I would suggest it is not large enough to be statistically significant.
 
If your sample size is 9, I would suggest it is not large enough to be statistically significant.
Well, you’d be wrong again then. It is statistically significant. Performing a chi-squared test with a 5% significance level, which is a very common test for significance, indicates that it is significant and that it is very unlikely that it came from a random sample. In fact, it would still be significant at the 3% level.
 
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Well, you’d be wrong again then. It is statistically significant. Performing a chi-squared test with a 5% significance level, which is a very common test for significance, indicates that it is significant and that it is very unlikely that it came from a random sample. In fact, it would still be significant at the 3% level.
Okay, if you've done a calculation on this I won't argue with it. I guess what you are saying is that I would be wise to bet heavily against the Leafs in the playoffs this year?
 
Then along comes Deeeebbie Downer.

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He's being sarcastic, because he's spent the season being berated by the actual DD'ers and told that the Leafs suck and won't even make the playoffs, or will be out in Round 1 again...
 
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He's being sarcastic, because he's spent the season being berated by the actual DD'ers and told that the Leafs suck and won't even make the playoffs, or will be out in Round 1 again...
Those posts about the Leafs being at risk to not make the playoffs after the team lost two games in a row were some of my favourite. Then when it was turned into entire threads? Brilliant.
 
Okay, if you've done a calculation on this I won't argue with it. I guess what you are saying is that I would be wise to bet heavily against the Leafs in the playoffs this year?
I think you know that’s not what I’m saying. All I showed was that prior series do have an impact on one another. How much predictive power? Not sure, we can leave that to the professionals and their models. And at the end of the day this sport is extremely random as you say and anything can happen, but that doesn’t mean we should dismiss prior results.

And we certainly should not be giving these guys a pass by saying bad luck/random chance. They have failed and underperformed because of their own doing, and they deserve the criticism they get. They make way too much money to perform like that, but let’s hope they can turn it around.
 
I think you know that’s not what I’m saying. All I showed was that prior series do have an impact on one another. How much predictive power? Not sure, we can leave that to the professionals and their models. And at the end of the day this sport is extremely random as you say and anything can happen, but that doesn’t mean we should dismiss prior results.

And we certainly should not be giving these guys a pass by saying bad luck/random chance. They have failed and underperformed because of their own doing, and they deserve the criticism they get. They make way too much money to perform like that, but let’s hope they can turn it around.
To be clear, I have never said bad luck. Very much the contrary. I attribute most of the blame for those losses to the team's coaching staff and management at the time.
 
McDavid hasn't won a cup yet therefore he won't win one in the future. Am I doing this right ?
It's much more likely for a team that has gone on several deep runs and even made it to the SC Final to win vs a team who has one a single series in 8 years. This is a logical and irrefutable fact.
 
It's much more likely for a team that has gone on several deep runs and even made it to the SC Final to win vs a team who has one a single series in 8 years. This is a logical and irrefutable fact.
Ovechkin got bounced out of the 2nd round his entire career, Crosby and the Penguins legit owned them for like a decade

They never won more than 1 round, except the season they won the cup

So no I don't agree that this is a fact

Apart from the Montreal/Blue Jackets series, we had in my opinion some of, if not the most difficult playoff matchups

Year 1 - Vs Capitals, lost in 6, competitive series
Year 2 - Vs Bruins, lost in 7
Year 3 - Vs Bruins lost in 7
Year 4 - Vs Blue Jackets lost in 5 (Play in)
Year 5 - Vs Canadiens lost in 7
Year 6 - Vs Lightning lost in 7
Year 7 - Vs Lightning won in 6, lost to Panthers in 5 in round 2
Year 8 - Vs Bruins lost in 7

Break it down, year 1 rookie years. Year 2/3 played against prime Boston with Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Rask, Pastrnak,. Year 4 should've won. Year 5, should have won choke job, Matthews had the wrist injury. Year 6 vs Tampa, both goals Tampa scored in game 7 off of blatant missed penalties, horrible officiating in game 6 as well. Year 7 beat Tampa and lost to a very good Panthers team. Year 8, should have won but lost in 7 to a good team.

Caps won the cup, Bruins made the finals game 7, Habs made the final, Lightning won b2b cups and 3 finals

Context matters, it's shitty but we had some insanely difficult match ups and against the high end teams, mostly competed. Just the Panthers series was a whooping.

So no I don't care about 1 round won, we have a great team with elite talent who has bought in to the team first concept. Past failures don't determine the future.
 
Ovechkin got bounced out of the 2nd round his entire career, Crosby and the Penguins legit owned them for like a decade

They never won more than 1 round, except the season they won the cup

So no I don't agree that this is a fact

Apart from the Montreal/Blue Jackets series, we had in my opinion some of, if not the most difficult playoff matchups

Year 1 - Vs Capitals, lost in 6, competitive series
Year 2 - Vs Bruins, lost in 7
Year 3 - Vs Bruins lost in 7
Year 4 - Vs Blue Jackets lost in 5 (Play in)
Year 5 - Vs Canadiens lost in 7
Year 6 - Vs Lightning lost in 7
Year 7 - Vs Lightning won in 6, lost to Panthers in 5 in round 2
Year 8 - Vs Bruins lost in 7

Break it down, year 1 rookie years. Year 2/3 played against prime Boston with Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Rask, Pastrnak,. Year 4 should've won. Year 5, should have won choke job, Matthews had the wrist injury. Year 6 vs Tampa, both goals Tampa scored in game 7 off of blatant missed penalties, horrible officiating in game 6 as well. Year 7 beat Tampa and lost to a very good Panthers team. Year 8, should have won but lost in 7 to a good team.

Caps won the cup, Bruins made the finals game 7, Habs made the final, Lightning won b2b cups and 3 finals

Context matters, it's shitty but we had some insanely difficult match ups and against the high end teams, mostly competed. Just the Panthers series was a whooping.

So no I don't care about 1 round won, we have a great team with elite talent who has bought in to the team first concept. Past failures don't determine the future.
Sounds like a lot of excuses……..it’s supposed to be hard and we are supposed to have these 4 awesome players, the best in the league so I hear
 
Ovechkin got bounced out of the 2nd round his entire career, Crosby and the Penguins legit owned them for like a decade

They never won more than 1 round, except the season they won the cup

So no I don't agree that this is a fact

Apart from the Montreal/Blue Jackets series, we had in my opinion some of, if not the most difficult playoff matchups

Year 1 - Vs Capitals, lost in 6, competitive series
Year 2 - Vs Bruins, lost in 7
Year 3 - Vs Bruins lost in 7
Year 4 - Vs Blue Jackets lost in 5 (Play in)
Year 5 - Vs Canadiens lost in 7
Year 6 - Vs Lightning lost in 7
Year 7 - Vs Lightning won in 6, lost to Panthers in 5 in round 2
Year 8 - Vs Bruins lost in 7

Break it down, year 1 rookie years. Year 2/3 played against prime Boston with Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Rask, Pastrnak,. Year 4 should've won. Year 5, should have won choke job, Matthews had the wrist injury. Year 6 vs Tampa, both goals Tampa scored in game 7 off of blatant missed penalties, horrible officiating in game 6 as well. Year 7 beat Tampa and lost to a very good Panthers team. Year 8, should have won but lost in 7 to a good team.

Caps won the cup, Bruins made the finals game 7, Habs made the final, Lightning won b2b cups and 3 finals

Context matters, it's shitty but we had some insanely difficult match ups and against the high end teams, mostly competed. Just the Panthers series was a whooping.

So no I don't care about 1 round won, we have a great team with elite talent who has bought in to the team first concept. Past failures don't determine the future.
So Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares is on the same level as Ovi, Backstrom, Kuznetsov and Oshie? I thought they were better but I guess we were all fooled.
 
So Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares is on the same level as Ovi, Backstrom, Kuznetsov and Oshie? I thought they were better but I guess we were all fooled.

Our quartet is superior, but this will be the first year since maybe Freddie where we can go into a series without looking outmatched in net.
 

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