Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)

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IMO, if it is true that he hasn't been extended they need to give him a two year deal immediately.

I typed this into my Google search window to attempt to confirm your suspicion.

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This exact article of this thread came up.

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with this image.

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With the explanation given :

Understandable — sort of.
A lame-duck GM of a Stanley Cup hopeful, on the other hand, isn’t standard operating procedure.
It puts the GM in an awkward position, with moves suddenly scrutinized not just in the context of the team but the GM’s own personal future.
 
If you think of Dubas as a Theo Epstein level innovator who is going to do X, Y, Z for your franchise and deliver a championship, he’s got one bullet left in the chamber but largely under delivered. But on the other hand I’m not sure you kick him out since you already paid for all the growing pains and largely kept the unique core together all this time. A new GM isn’t going to dramatically improve the recipe in a flat cap.
the question that should be asked is how do you know his flaws were just growing pains and not a sign that he's incompetent ? all i've seen him do is ride M and M's maturation while burning through assets for short term fixes

hell , all you have to do is look at our situation in net to realize he's just flying by the seat of his pants
 
In Sports, and Real Life, if you don't achieve the goals set out for you, you are replaced. Someone is getting replaced, if they fail to reach their goals this year. It might be Dubas, it might be Keefe, it might be Shanahan, it could be all of them.
 
the question that should be asked is how do you know his flaws were just growing pains and not a sign that he's incompetent ? all i've seen him do is ride M and M's maturation while burning through assets for short term fixes

hell , all you have to do is look at our situation in net to realize he's just flying by the seat of his pants

That’s a deeper question for Brendan Shanahan to answer. Putting my president hat on for a moment, I think we have something good. The question is what is holding us back from making it better. Can the current group optimize, and what has been learned over the past half dozen years. And what are the pros and cons to a GM shakeup or standing pat and having stability. All those factors would come into play for making the decision on the GM position.
 
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Skill and ability aren't the highest importance to those doing the hiring at the top of this organization. How much money the organization makes + their recent concept of "doing the right thing" are far more important than winning. If you think Dubas wasn't qualified to take on the task, wait till you see his replacement.
 
no one's wishing the team to fail , you're just too emotionally invested in who the GM is to see the mess he's created

the teams carried by the players he inherited

goalies - massive question marks to put it nicely

defense - Gio/Muzzin are on their last legs , Holl needs to be replaced and Brodie's up there in age as well

frwds - outside of the top 3 that were already here when he was promoted there's a grossly overpaid and declining JT and not much else

so tbh i have no idea where your neverending it's all sunshine and roses posts are coming from
I think I'm not the one that is emotionally invested here, when people think this as a mess or anticipate that we fail fast. If you have any context about this league, like following it 20-30 years, this is far from failure roster wise for new GM to start.

This is still best situation we have been in, if you compare last 40 to 50 years. I mean this Shanaplan era in whole and what we have now.

Dubas might not make it and we might replace him, but don't expect that being cake walk to the Stanley Cup. It probably wont be, more or less odds are against us 1/32.

It ain't all sunshine or roses and I have never said that it is. Yet this is still best managed hockey ops we have never had, since I started following this team early 90s.

One option is going from this to another cash grab era, so I'm bit hesitant for change, since we have yet to have complete failure and our core is young. Actually getting into years, where you start to win, like Avalanche did last year.

More or less those things you paint out there, will be tested next year. If we had top5 last year, I think we still have it. We'll see.
 
Fair enough

I don't think he's done a bad job all told but this is a performance based business

So here's hoping this team gets over its mental hurdles and we go on a run

I'd have zero problems resigning him in that situation
 
no one's wishing the team to fail , you're just too emotionally invested in who the GM is to see the mess he's created

the teams carried by the players he inherited

goalies - massive question marks to put it nicely

defense - Gio/Muzzin are on their last legs , Holl needs to be replaced and Brodie's up there in age as well

frwds - outside of the top 3 that were already here when he was promoted there's a grossly overpaid and declining JT and not much else

so tbh i have no idea where your neverending it's all sunshine and roses posts are coming from

"Matthews Marner Willy Rielly are choking bastards!!!"

"DUMBass carried by the players he inherited!!!"
 
I'd like to see Dubas improve his drafting to be honest. There seems to be quite a few misses, thus far, but benefit of the doubt, they can change fairly quickly. So, I'll generously say it's incomplete. We need him to start hitting on some sooner, rather than later.
 
I'd like to see Dubas improve his drafting to be honest. There seems to be quite a few misses, thus far, but benefit of the doubt, they can change fairly quickly. So, I'll generously say it's incomplete. We need him to start hitting on some sooner, rather than later.

Drafts since 2018, Teams that finished top 10 last year:


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I really like him and i think he had a lot of bad luck especially with covid screwing him cap wise. He managed to draft well, although most of his crop is only coming of age now. Hoping this will be like the AA situation that once the team succeeds, all the haters will go away.

In the end tho, its a results oriented business and at some point you have to put out.
 
If the Leafs had managed to scrape together four wins in one playoff series at least a couple of times during this stretch, there’s be a lot more grace for Dubas. For my part, the playoff failure is about the only thing I have a problem with. He’s built a consistent playoff team, blew the franchise points record out of the water, rebuilt the defence corps into an actual effective unit, and has retained the best players and core of this team, even with the shitty frozen cap (that won’t unfreeze until it’s least convenient for us I’ll bet). I like the prospect pipeline he has built, which while getting pretty thin now, has us set up to add two potentially good and cheap top four talent on defence and scoring up front.

The goaltending is the most volatile position under his tenure, as Andersen with his injuries and poor play (and maybe quitting on the team) wasn’t the answer going forward and Jack became too expensive with too little track record to make it sensible to retain him. Neither guy however has shown to be capable of winning a playoff series, and while Murray and Samsonov are both gambles, both are capable of surprising us and the hockey world. The Leafs are also positioned to give each guy the best opportunity to fix their games with their top notch facilities, new goaltending department, and good defensive play on ice.

By all rights, this team should be viewed in the same way that Carolina is, a good young team knocking on the door to a potential championship with a lot of great years still ahead. Of course, the massive monkey on the back of this franchise and city, the 6 straight first round exits, makes that comparison a joke to most people. What matters is what happens in the playoffs, so despite all the regular season success and how well oiled a machine the franchise is off of it, no one gives a shit as long as “lol can’t win a playoff series” sits around our necks like a noose.

I do like the guy and think being GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs means people are more likely to want to fire him quicker than other markets (other Canadian GMs have had longer and worse runs, but going on a few fluky playoff runs is enough to protect them I guess). The circumstances surrounding him and the team mean he is on the hot seat.
 
Someone write them, they said he “rolled the dice” on the goalies. OMG! All summer the Dubists have balked at any “gambling”, “scrambling” talk, when in reality the whole hockey world knows it, despite the apologists here.
 
His job may be on the line (and should be), but it has nothing to do with his contract status. A GM's contract status is pretty meaningless
 
Dubas seems like the exact opposite of the person who would make rash short sighted moves to save his job so while a "lame duck" GM isn't ideal it's not the end of the world and I can see how the team would want to get out of the 1st round before extending him regardless of how one may view his moves or vision. You get judged on results
 
Regardless of how one feels about Dubas', it would be suspect for the board to have a lame duck GM, unless Shanahan already has a longer extension in place for himself.

But even there, it would seem the fates of Shannny and Dubas' are tied together at this point
 
It really is, winning is a bonus to some here. Our fan base is battered.

Considering our entire off season has literally just been f*** it run it back.

Basically took a goalie gamble, signed jarnkrok, signed a million 4th line guys to see what sticks.

We haven't even traded Holl or kerfoot yet. We're also barely cap compliant pretty insane
 
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