BenchBrawl
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Yeah, he was phenomenal in that stretch. But that level didn't last long.
2017 playoffs Karlsson doing it for 5-6 years goes Top 10 in the draft.
Felt like a Viking raiding North America.
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Yeah, he was phenomenal in that stretch. But that level didn't last long.
2017 playoffs Karlsson doing it for 5-6 years goes Top 10 in the draft.
Felt like a Viking raiding North America.
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Yea, that's really the only year he showed his full worth. I saw his rush defense stats from then and they were stellar - you couldn't enter the zone on his side. And his stickchecking was very good too. He almost carried them to the finals. Good team, but he was controlling a lot of the play and providing offense.
Coffey was like that too. That year he had in Pittsburgh was Ray Bourque-like. Then the next year his defensive numbers were awful again lol.
And there's a bio of Mario Lemieux that quote teammates during their first run and they said he was absolutely dominant on defense - when he wanted to be. There's a bit of that now in Zegras who was dominant defensively I believe at the world juniors, but he won't do it in Anaheim - tho he's been basically the only guy to drive play there until very recently. Not sure he has it in him on that sleight frame to do both.
Karlsson is certainly an interesting case. Personally, he's not the type of guy I typically draft. You really have to take the bad with the good. But I can understand the idea that at some point (in this range) it's hard to pass on an offensive package like that. Mighty tempting anyways. Either way, I'm glad it wasn't me..if that makes sense?
It does make you wonder though..in an alternate universe where we're currently having an "all-time peak" ATD judging players solely on their abilities at their very best historically and nothing else, this is easily a top 20-30 pick..right?
But my eye test as a hockey fan for 30+ years tells me he is quite possibly the worst defender I've ever seen. Genuinely.
It does make you wonder though..in an alternate universe where we're currently having an "all-time peak" ATD judging players solely on their abilities at their very best historically and nothing else, this is easily a top 20-30 pick..right?
But my eye test as a hockey fan for 30+ years tells me he is quite possibly the worst defender I've ever seen. Genuinely.
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You say this, but when we did a two-team draft a few years ago, you picked a Coffey-Karlsson top pair and then a very similar second pair. Makes you think.
Oh man, that was the best. We have to do that again some time.
I need to look for our lineups again.
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Our goal was to create the "worst" team possible in terms of fit/style/chemistry. Essentially who could draft the biggest shit show. It was actually quite enjoyable lol
ImporterExporter
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I enjoyed going back and reading on this player (he'll also give me another player to research after Clapper), as you can tell he was a high IQ player, who probably stayed on the ice more than any ATD level defensemen, ever. 95 PIM's in 14 seasons (775 games) is absurdly low, cited as the lowest mark of all time. His ability to play in all situations, and reputation as a 2 way player makes it easier to find a partner for, and the contemporary praise for his game is well documented in the bios below by 70's and TDMM.
Bill Quackenbush, D
Just a few guick grabs from the newspaper goldmine machine.
https://www.newspapers.com/paper/the-herald-palladium/6612/
Early career praise (1944) for Quack.
Rookie Quackenbush given big praise in game vs Montreal.
Gazette rates him as best Dman in hockey in 1949.
More great player analysis by the HOF journalist, Baz O'Meara, compares his style to that of Frank Nighbor of all people. Says he is generally recognized (1949) as the best Dman in hockey and dispels any notion of Quack being soft.
Bill Quackenbush, D
Bill Quackenbush, D
- 5'11", 190 lbs
- Member of the HHOF
- Stanley Cup Finalist (1945, 1948, 1949, 1953)
- NHL 1st All-Star Team (1948, 1949, 1951)
- NHL 2nd All-Star Team (1947, 1953)
- NHL "3rd" All-Star Team (1944)
- In total, was 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 6th in All-Star Voting (this would be two Norrises if the Norris existed)
- 7th in Hart Voting (1951)
- Top-10 in scoring by defensemen 11 times (2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 7th, 7th, 9th, 10th)
- Top-6 in Playoff Scoring among...
- 5'11", 190 lbs
- Member of the HHOF
- Stanley Cup Finalist (1945, 1948, 1949, 1953)
- NHL 1st All-Star Team (1948, 1949, 1951)
- NHL 2nd All-Star Team (1947, 1953)
- NHL "3rd" All-Star Team (1944)
- In total, was 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 6th in All-Star Voting (this would be two Norrises if the Norris existed)
- 7th in Hart Voting (1951)
- Top-10 in scoring by defensemen 11 times (2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 7th, 7th, 9th, 10th)
- Top-6 in Playoff Scoring among...
Just a few guick grabs from the newspaper goldmine machine.
The Herald-Palladium
Benton Harbor, Michigan • Fri, Feb 11, 1944Page 5https://www.newspapers.com/paper/the-herald-palladium/6612/
Early career praise (1944) for Quack.
The Windsor Star
Windsor, Ontario, Canada • Mon, Feb 28, 1944Page 21Rookie Quackenbush given big praise in game vs Montreal.
The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Canada · Tuesday, April 26, 1949Gazette rates him as best Dman in hockey in 1949.
The Boston Globe
Boston, Massachusetts · Sunday, January 30, 1949The Montreal Star
Montreal, Quebec, Canada • Tue, Apr 26, 1949Page 24More great player analysis by the HOF journalist, Baz O'Meara, compares his style to that of Frank Nighbor of all people. Says he is generally recognized (1949) as the best Dman in hockey and dispels any notion of Quack being soft.
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Also of note, our picks had to be from each round of the previous ATD. So you couldn't just draft a weak group of players. Habsfan's 1st rounder was Coffey, mine was Espo, and we surrounded our franchise talent with the proper amount of players who were good at the exact same thing and bad at everything else.
I just found the post. I can't post because of undrafteds, but your top line was the glorious trio of Cy Denneny - Phil Esposito - Brett Hull
Going up against the aformentioned duo of Paul Coffey - Erik Karlsson.
ImporterExporter
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Part of the reason Three Rivers selected Quackenbush with the last pick, was the likely possibility of reuniting him with his real life running mate on Detroit's top pair for the back half of the 1940's, with this selection. Instant chemistry is tough to come by but the value for both players feels right now.
One of a number of players who had a chunk of their prime lost due to serving in WWII (lost age 26 and 27 seasons), he still managed to be a postseason AS on both sides of the war, 5 in total, and hoisting a pair of Cups, 1 on each side of the war.
A game-wrecker in the mold of Scott Stevens, many considered this man to be the hardest hitting Dman in the world during his tenure.
Jack Stewart, D
One of a number of players who had a chunk of their prime lost due to serving in WWII (lost age 26 and 27 seasons), he still managed to be a postseason AS on both sides of the war, 5 in total, and hoisting a pair of Cups, 1 on each side of the war.
A game-wrecker in the mold of Scott Stevens, many considered this man to be the hardest hitting Dman in the world during his tenure.
Jack Stewart, D
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Les Canadiens select Hod Stuart, D
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I had only one defenseman, do you think I would have let him go? lol
Probably won't play him with Leetch though.
Nice reunification.
I knew I should have pulled the trigger on Hod earlier today but I thought Iginla was too hard to pass up on as a good value pick and thought he'd be gone for sure by my next pick coming up.
But you're right, I should have known he (Stuart) wasn't getting past you.
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ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
I needed a more defensive/PK type stalwart, and the chemistry w/Quack and Jack was too much to pass on but Hod is a really nice pick there. Definitely considered taking him w/both of the last 2 selections.
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@ImporterExporter gave me a gift by taking Black Jack Stewart, as he was an ideal partner for Leetch and I would have been torn between him and Stuart because of that.
That way I could pick Stuart with freedom of mind.
That way I could pick Stuart with freedom of mind.
Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk selects the best goaltender remaining on the board in Charlie Gardiner, G.
This pick is dedicated to an old friend of mine in Charlie's son Bob Gardiner, who passed away over the weekend at the age of 95. Pictured is him with his Dad as a two-year-old.
This pick is dedicated to an old friend of mine in Charlie's son Bob Gardiner, who passed away over the weekend at the age of 95. Pictured is him with his Dad as a two-year-old.
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He would have been a strong candidate to partner with Leetch if only they didn't play the same side.
