ATD Chat Thread XX

[VanIslander]

Hasek was unorthodox and unique, but he was never 'simple'.

 

[tinyzombies]

Howe should be there…. But I’m not sure if he should replace McDavid or Lemieux.

Bourque vs Harvey is a coin toss.

Price is the only one that sticks out badly.

Surely you agree Price is the most advanced goalie ever, putting career benchmarks aside, tho he does have those as well. I think he's mixing in talent with career metrics, obviously with his choice of McDavid over Howe and Price over whoever.

 

[BraveCanadian]

The most advanced goalie ever?

 

[tinyzombies]

The most advanced goalie ever?

Of course. Profly, athleticism, size. His peak and underlying stats even measure with anyone, but he played on a bad team and was hurt which will unjustifiably damage his legacy.

12/1/51 THN

 

[BraveCanadian]

Of course. Profly, athleticism, size. His peak and underlying stats even measure with anyone, but he played on a bad team and was hurt which will unjustifiably damage his legacy.

Don't think so

 

[tinyzombies]

Don't think so

Advanced stats dudes and peers think so. And I watched pretty much every game he played. Same for Patrick Roy.

 

[VanIslander]

April 1991, i as a uni student going from Lethbridge to Calgary, listening on my Sony Walkman cassette player to a cutting-out, shaky radio broadcast on the Greyhound bus, having to hold up the wire from the ear phones because it was the antenna (i think, as certainly reception was better when it was raised and spread wide)... so there i was.... listening to and telling the others on the bus what was happening in the Calgary vs. Edmonton playoff game. Cheers & groans abound. I went on to over half a decade of journalism later that decade but my play-by-play calls on that bus that day, to near unanimous cheer (the driver, too),... was EPIC! ... Tikkanen scored the overtime goal and i was estatic and surprisingly less than half of the bus looked deflated. ... it was a different era. A moment in hockey history. (We all have them; all stories should be told)

 

[VanIslander]

I just now got a HfBoards Devoted "trophy" for reaching the 20-year mark on these boards, i joining back in '04 to contribute to the then new "History" board. It has been a lot of interesting fun. From computers in Internet cafes to smartphones, times have changed but the drafts continue!

 

[Hockey Outsider]

I just now got a HfBoards Devoted "trophy" for reaching the 20-year mark on these boards, i joining back in '04 to contribute to the then new "History" board. It has been a lot of interesting fun. From computers in Internet cafes to smartphones, times have changed but the drafts continue!

I'm looking forward to getting mine in January.

@Bear of Bad News - at this point I think I qualify for a pension, right?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I'm looking forward to getting mine in January.

@Bear of Bad News - at this point I think I qualify for a pension, right?

Some guy wrote us a few days ago and asked if he could cash out his sportsbook cash (the 5,000 that everyone gets automatically).

I should have told him it was in your pension.

 

[VanIslander]

I had never told that bus-to-Calgary story ever.
Yet it is a fond memory.

I am glad at least a few heard it here (as i am sure everyone on that bus recalls it - it was a Hollywood moment without any cameras).

 

[tinyzombies]

Larry Robinson on the Geno Reda podcast - "Who is the player you most hated playing against?" A: "Gilbert Perreault." Same answer as Orr.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Closing hand on puck becomes a rule - 1951

It wafs once the fashion of hockey players to pick the puck out of the air with their hands and toss it back to the referee for another faceoff. But those days are gone forever.

The N.H.L. rules committee has decided that in future any player who grabs the puck with his hand will get a two minute penalty.

“We had to do something to stop it”, said Referee-in-Chief Carl Voss. “It was getting to the point where it was ridiculous. Players were just grabbing the puck and tossing it back at the referee. It made more faceoffs and delayed the game. In future all players doing that will get two minutes in the penalty box.”

Voss said that Coach Lynn Patrick of the Boston had admitted to him that he told his players to grab the puck out of the air. [/QUOTE[

I didn't know when/why this came about, stumbled across while doing other research.

 

[tinyzombies]

 

[Habsfan18]

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Mark Messier over Doug Harvey and Bobby Hull is certainly something.

I'm a big Mess fan, but him being in the top 10 is crazy in itself when you consider guys like Bourque, Lidstrom and Shore are missing as well.

 

[VanIslander]

Agree with above, ... except I'd have Messier over Lidstrom in any pick-up game at the pearly gates.

 

[VanIslander]

Pet peeve: showing season-long excerpts in a weekly eliminated contestant reality show. Are we supposed to forget what we saw in the opening? You know this person is gonna be there after this episode because the person hasn't done the shown thing yet. Ugh.

This problem is compounded in the digital era of binge watching, where memories aren't as deficient as producers seem to expect.

Annoying writ large.

 

[tinyzombies]

Just scored this. His wife said he was a bon vivant - never depressed. That’s not the impression we’ve gotten of him.

 

[tinyzombies]

This group can go further back lol

 

[BraveCanadian]

Mark Messier over Doug Harvey and Bobby Hull is certainly something.

I'm a big Mess fan, but him being in the top 10 is crazy in itself when you consider guys like Bourque, Lidstrom and Shore are missing as well.

Messier sticks out like a sore thumb there

 

[tinyzombies]

Messier sticks out like a sore thumb there

Not saying I disagree but messier willed his team to at least 3 Cups and was a raging bull for 12-13 years… a latter day Howe. Of course he had gretz but EDM doesn’t win without Messier’s presence

 

[VanIslander]

Messier owned the ice at both ends and middle ice.

He was drafted based on a well-reported new formula Edmonton used: he scored high on all parameters (size, speed, skating, puckhandling, checking, character, legacy - he had a relative from the NHL - a metric the Oilers were first to factor into their equation)... except he scored low on hockey sense (he sucker punches in front of refs; he sits on goaltenders). And it was felt he could develop that - stop stupid game-losing plays. And he did. In spades.

 

[VanIslander]

Messier sticks out like a sore thumb there

With Bobby Hull?

Yes, he stands out.

One of the two is top-10 all-time worthy, and it ain't chalk.
I have never - in decades of ATD drafting - picked Bobby Hull because guys like Mark Messier and Red Kelly were ALWAYS on the board. *shrug* (i know i know 'popular' opinion).

 

[tinyzombies]

With Bobby Hull?

Yes, he stands out.

One of the two is top-10 all-time worthy, and it ain't chalk.
I have never - in decades of ATD drafting - picked Bobby Hull because guys like Mark Messier and Red Kelly were ALWAYS on the board. *shrug* (i know i know 'popular' opinion).

I watched games 2 and 3 of the 1984 Oilers-Islanders series recently… the Islanders who were beat up were starting to impose their physical, chippy game after the Oilers demolished them in game 1… Gillies was charging the crease and scored 4 goals in these two games. Gretzky was invisible. It was Messier who saved the day - bowling over Trottier and POTVIN. Potvin’s father died in the middle of the playoffs and he was hurt so he’s not the usual Potvin but still… not many people took runs at him and didn’t regret it. Billy Smith was playing stellar… it looked much like the Islanders had found a second wind and were on their way to a 5th Cup as late as midway through the pivotal game 3 in EDM. It was Messier that said F this and grabbed the bull by the horns. And he did in 1990 and 1994 also. How he’s belittled here is baffling for anyone who watched hockey through those years and saw him dominate … all these players brought some form of domination but Messier did it all - with Gretzky, without Gretzky leading a group of kids, and with a pastiche of vets. I can only think they are Canucks fans lol

 

[VanIslander]

I do have to partition my Canucks loathing of getting Messier - which we knew immediately would cost us Linden. But i haven't ever blamed the vet, just the execs.