ATD championship retrospective

[BenchBrawl]

Done,
Likewise, if you see something missing that I might have copied over by accident, let me know. I'll be able to retrieve any past edit needed.

Thanks, will do!

Looks good at first glance.

 

[VanIslander]

Neither Roy nor Hasek has won an ATD ever. Nor has Orr.

Tons of 3rd rate goalies have and several teams without one of the best 1D's.

A better 1G and better 1D isn't necessary somehow. Lines are for some reason isolated, statistically-reduced to regular season vs.x and heralded in ATD commentary and apparently also voting results.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

With drafting Plante at 47 (right before Conacher at 50), Dreakmur kept up the trend that every ATD champion has drafted exactly 1 forward in their 1st 2 picks. The other top 2 pick has usually been a defenseman, but occasionally (like this year) a goalie.

In this case, getting arguably the #1 goalie of all-time at the very end of the 2nd round after starting with Gretzky was a really big advantage.

 

[VanIslander]

Lidstrom was 1 of 10 HHOFers in Detroit those cup years.

And if he was a great leader, it was sublime.

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

...getting arguably the #1 goalie of all-time at the very end of the 2nd round after starting with Gretzky was a really big advantage.

You'd never know it from looking at ATD results-- but the idea that Plante is the #1 goalie of all-time polls at about 6%. 1980 John B. Anderson pulled better numbers than that.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

You'd never know it from looking at ATD results-- but the idea that Plante is the #1 goalie of all-time polls at about 6%. 1980 John B. Anderson pulled better numbers than that.

6% where?

Anyway, Plante definitely dropped in the eyes of this forum between 2009 and 2012.

2008 Top 100 list: Plante voted #1 goalie of all-time (#12 player of all-time). Full results no longer available: HOH Top 100 Players of All Time (compiled in 2008)

2009 Top 100 list: Hasek/Plante/Roy finished back-to-back-to-back #12, 13, 14. Full results were never posted due to the original files getting lost: HOH Top 70 Players of All Time (2009)

2012 Goalies project: Plante was the clear cut #3, finishing 3rd on 12 of 21 ballots. He also had 2 1st place votes, 5 2nd place, 2 4th place, and 3 5th place, so he looks just a little closer to top 2 than 4th/5th.

2018/19 top 100: Roy was the big gainer here, finishing 7th. Hasek 13, Plante 19, Hall 28.

 

[Dreakmur]

6% where?

Anyway, Plante definitely dropped in the eyes of this forum between 2009 and 2012.

2008 Top 100 list: Plante voted #1 goalie of all-time (#12 player of all-time). Full results no longer available: HOH Top 100 Players of All Time (compiled in 2008)

2009 Top 100 list: Hasek/Plante/Roy finished back-to-back-to-back #12, 13, 14. Full results were never posted due to the original files getting lost: HOH Top 70 Players of All Time (2009)

2012 Goalies project: Plante was the clear cut #3, finishing 3rd on 12 of 21 ballots. He also had 2 1st place votes, 5 2nd place, 2 4th place, and 3 5th place, so he looks just a little closer to top 2 than 4th/5th.

2018/19 top 100: Roy was the big gainer here, finishing 7th. Hasek 13, Plante 19, Hall 28.

Roy and Hasek are 1-2. I have Plante #3, but Hall is close-ish.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Roy and Hasek are 1-2. I have Plante #3, but Hall is close-ish.

I actually rank them Roy-Plante-Hasek-Hall-Brodeur.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Pls delete

 

[ResilientBeast]

@rmartin65 did the work, this thread has been updated

Lester Patrick becomes a 3-time winner at coach, and a back-to-back Champion.

Gordon 'Doc' Roberts is a 3-time winner.

Hooley Smith also becomes a 3-time winner.

Wentworth is also now a 3-time winner.

Taylor becomes a 2-time winner (and first time winner at a position he actually played for an extended period)

Tretiak becomes a 2-time winner.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Bobby Hull and Phil Esposito are now off the list of Top 50 players without an ATD Finals appearance.

That leaves Bossy, Kharlamov, Coffey, Morenz, Clarke, Robinson, Lindsay, and Yzerman. I have some ideas on why a few of them might be tougher to build around, but I think the lack of Finals appearances is mostly due to luck.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

@rmartin65 did the work, this thread has been updated

Lester Patrick becomes a 3-time winner at coach, and a back-to-back Champion.

Gordon 'Doc' Roberts is a 3-time winner.

Hooley Smith also becomes a 3-time winner.

Wentworth is also now a 3-time winner.

Taylor becomes a 2-time winner (and first time winner at a position he actually played for an extended period)

Tretiak becomes a 2-time winner.

I had Hooley Smith on my championship teams in ATD 6 (the finals started in January 2007) and ATD 8 (the finals started in December 2007). He just won again now (May 2022). The 15 year gap surely must be the record.

 

[Habsfan18]

Interesting to note that this is Johnny Bower’s 3rd time backstopping a team to an ATD championship. He did it way back in ATD6 (2006, the first of the playoff era), in 2015, and again in 2023.

Only Grant Fuhr (4) has won more. Rogie Vachon has 3 as well, but all were as a backup.

I’m hoping a mod can update this thread in due time. @ResilientBeast or someone else?

 

[ResilientBeast]

Interesting to note that this is Johnny Bower’s 3rd time backstopping a team to an ATD championship. He did it way back in ATD6 (2006, the first of the playoff era), in 2015, and again in 2023.

Only Grant Fuhr (4) has won more. Rogie Vachon has 3 as well, but all were as a backup.

I’m hoping a mod can update this thread in due time. @ResilientBeast or someone else?

I haven't gone through the multi-time winners yet but you're at least added to the first post

 

[ImporterExporter]

I wanted to update this thread.

Three Rivers winning the title sees a lot of new faces lifting the Milt Dunnell Cup for the first time!

Punch Imlach (Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman still have not won here)
Bernie Morris
Russell Bowie
Bob Bourne
Claude Lemieux - surprised this is his 1st
Lester Patrick (player) - he won 3 as coach
Harvey Pulford
Si Griffis (spare)
Martin Brodeur
Percy LeSueur (backup)

4 Time Winners:

Doug Harvey
Jack Adams (spare this year)
Bobby Bauer

3 Time Winners:

Cyclone Taylor
Tony Leswick
Marty Barry
Paul Thompson
Sweeney Schriner - has won back to back now

2 Time Winners:

Fleming Mackell
Mike Grant
Guy Lapointe - no titles until 2023 and has now won back to back
Jack Marshall
Bob Johnson - 2nd win as assistant coach

 

[ImporterExporter]

The Big 4:

Howe - 3
Gretzy - 2
Orr - 1
Lemieux - 0

Rest of Top 30 (from the most recent Top 100 project)

Hull - 0
Beliveau - 0
Roy - 0
Harvey - 4
Maurice Richard - 0
Bourque - 1
Morenz - 0
Crosby - 0
Hasek - 0
Shore - 0
Lidstrom - 1
Jagr - 0
Kelly - 2
Potvin - 1
Plante - 1
Nighbor - 1
Messier - 1
Ovechkin - 0
Lafleur - 2
Mikita - 3
Fetisov - 0
Makarov - 0
Esposito - 1
Glenn Hall - 1
Clarke - 0
Brodeur - 1