ATD 2024 Draft Thread II

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ATD 2024: The 20th Anniversary Edition

The all-time draft is a what-if scenario, the counterfactual reasoning tool of the academic discipline of History. The greatest players of all time, from the amateur era to the NHL to the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Sweden, WHA, etc are drafted BASED on their whole career. No peak vs. career; instead, peak and career, all considerations. A player who was injury prone will be no less so in an all-time competition.

GMs are encouraged to provide bio info like stats, quotes and/or comments when at the podium to announce their picks.

(NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS!)

Note for new GMs:
Active players today in the 2023-2024 season are judged BASED on their career to date, meaning no projections of what he will do in the future, but instead: Imagine they suffered a freak career-ending accident the day you draft them.

The draft clock will begin Monday, February 5th at noon Eastern. The 1st round clock will be 24 hours long, dropping to 12 hours for round 2.

2). Time Limits.

24 hrs for round 1
12 for round 2
10 for rounds 3-10
8 for 11-14
6 for 15-20
4 for rest.

There will be 24 rounds, with 18 starting skaters, 2 goalies, a coach and three others for the bench. After the draft there will be votes tallied by an ex-ATDer or mod and a regular season standings list resulting. Then playoff match-ups.

Time Deductions
Voight -2 hour
The Macho Man -2 hour
Claude The Fraud -1 hour
ResilientBeast & rmartin65 -1 hour

Round 1:

1. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Bobby Orr, D
2. tony d - California Golden Seals - Gordie Howe, RW
3. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Wayne Gretzky, C
4. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mario Lemieux, C
5. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Doug Harvey, D
6. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Jean Beliveau, C
7. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Raymond Bourque, D
8. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Nicklas Lidstrom, D
9. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Denis Potvin, D
10. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Eddie Shore, D
11. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Sidney Crosby, C
12. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bobby Hull, LW
13. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Maurice Richard, RW
14. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Red Kelly, D/C
15. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Howie Morenz, C
16. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Connor McDavid, C
17. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Mark Messier, C
18. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Larry Robinson, D
19. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Dominik Hasek, G
20. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Patrick Roy, G
21. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Viacheslav Fetisov, D
22. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jaromir Jagr, RW
23. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Guy Lafleur, RW

Round 2:

24. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Ovechkin, W
25. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Chris Chelios, D
26. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Makarov, RW
27. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Stan Mikita, C
28. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Park, D
29. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Bobby Clarke, C
30. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Frank Nighbor, C
31. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Brian Leetch, D
32. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Paul Coffey, D
33. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bryan Trottier, C
34. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Ted Lindsay, LW
35. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - King Clancy, D
36. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Jacques Plante, G
37. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Cook, RW
38. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Joe Sakic, C
39. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Chris Pronger, D
40. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Phil Esposito, C
41. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mike Bossy, RW
42. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Cyclone Taylor, C/D
43. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Al MacInnis, D
44. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Scott Stevens, D
45. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Yzerman, C
46. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Frank Boucher, C

Round 3:

47. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Charlie Conacher, RW
48. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sprague Cleghorn, D
49. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Zdeno Chara, D
50. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Pierre Pilote, D
51. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Martin Brodeur, G
52. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Earl Seibert, D
53. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Henri Richard, C
54. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Milt Schmidt, C
55. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Valeri Kharlamov, LW
56. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Forsberg, C
57. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Tim Horton, D
58. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Glenn Hall, G
59. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dit Clapper, D/RW
60. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Ken Dryden, G
61. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Bernie Geoffrion, RW
62. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jari Kurri, RW
63. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Terry Sawchuk, G
64. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Newsy Lalonde, C
65. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Syl Apps, C
66. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Borje Salming, D
67. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Ted Kennedy, C
68. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Bill Gadsby, D
69. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Eddie Gerard, D/LW

Round 4:

70. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Victor Hedman, D
71. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Anatoli Firsov, LW
72. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladislav Tretiak, G
73. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Evgeni Malkin, C
74. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Duncan Keith, D
75. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Andy Bathgate, RW
76. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Cy Denneny, LW
77. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Drew Doughty, D
78. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Dickie Moore, LW
79. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brett Hull, RW
80. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Serge Savard, D
81. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Elmer Lach, C
82. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Aurele Joliet, LW
83. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Sid Abel, C/LW
84. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Teemu Selanne, RW
85. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Boris Mikhailov, RW
86. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Erik Karlsson, D
87. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mark Howe, D
88. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Nikita Kucherov, RW
89. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jarome Iginla, RW
90. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Rob Blake, D
91. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Fedorov, C
92. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Patrick Kane, RW

Round 5:

93. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Scott Niedermayer, D
94. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jack Stewart, D
95. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pavel Bure, RW
96. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Langway, D
97. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Guy Lapointe, D
98. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Toe Blake, LW
99. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Frank Mahovlich, LW
100. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Alex Delvecchio, LW/C
101. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Shea Weber, D
102. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bill Quackenbush, D
103. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Marcel Pronovost, D
104. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Martin St. Louis, RW
105. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank Brimsek, G
106. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Georges Boucher, D
107. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Valeri Vasiliev, D
108. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Johnny Bucyk, LW
109. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Jacques Laperriere, D
110. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Georges Vezina, G
111. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ivan Johnson, D
112. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Alexei Kasatonov, D
113. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Krutov, LW
114. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ebbie Goodfellow, D/C
115. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Norm Ullman, C

Round 6:

116. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Alexander Maltsev, C/RW
117. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Marcel Dionne, C
118. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Doug Bentley, LW/C
119. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Tommy Phillips, LW
120. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Brad Marchand, LW
121. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Hod Stuart, D
122. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Moose Johnson, D
123. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bryan Hextall Sr, RW
124. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS- Joe Malone, C
125. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brendan Shanahan, LW
126. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Harry Cameron, D
127. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Conacher, D
128. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Eric Lindros, C
129. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Charlie Gardiner, G
130. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Doug Gilmour, C
131. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - JC Tremblay, D
132. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Busher Jackson, LW
133. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Henrik Zetterberg, LW/C
134. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Sweeney Schriner, LW
135. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - John Leclair, LW
136. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Dave Keon, C
137. tony d - California Golden Seals - Syd Howe, LW/C
138. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Hooley Smith, C/RW

Round 7:

139. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Art Coulter, D
140. tony d - California Golden Seals - Turk Broda, G
141. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Patrice Bergeron, C
142. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Marian Hossa, RW
143. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Russell Bowie, C
144. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ed Belfour, G
145. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Clint Benedict, G
146. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Durnan, G
147. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Mark Recchi, RW
148. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Vladimir Martinec, RW
149. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Cam Neely, RW
150. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Bert Olmstead, LW
151. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Max Bentley, C
152. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Nathan Mackinnon, C
153. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Daniel Alfredsson, RW
154. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Emile Bouchard, D
155. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Babe Siebert, D/LW
156. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Paul Kariya, LW
157. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Pavel Datsyuk, C
158. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Rick Middleton, RW
159. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Jan Suchy, D
160. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ron Francis, C
161. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Mike Modano, C

Round 8:

162. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jonathan Toews, C
163. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Nels Stewart, C/LW
164. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Frantisek Pospisil, D
165. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Lanny McDonald, RW
166. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bob Gainey, LW
167. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Sylvio Mantha, D
168. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Tom Johnson, D
169. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Patrik Elias, LW
170. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Larry Murphy, D
171. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Harry Howell, D
172. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Anze Kopitar, C
173. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Carl Brewer, D
174. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Bill White, D
175. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Baldy Northcott, LW
176. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Luc Robitaille, LW
177. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Bill Cowley, C
178. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Ken Reardon. D
179. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Frank Fredrickson, C
180. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Lester Patrick, D
181. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Michel Goulet, LW
182. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Alexander Yakushev, LW
183. tony d - California Golden Seals - Sergei Zubov, D
184. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Jamie Benn, LW

Round 9:

185. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Allan Stanley, D
186. tony d - California Golden Seals - Roy Conacher, LW
187. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Yvan Cournoyer, RW
188. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Rod Brind'amour, C/LW
189. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Paul Thompson, LW
190. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Brent Burns, D/RW
191. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Fern Flaman, D
192. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Frank Foyston, LW/C
193. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Alex Pietrangelo, D
194. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Peter Stastny, C
195. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Woody Dumart, LW
196. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Cecil Dillon, RW
197. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank McGee, C
198. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scotty Bowman, coach
199. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Adam Oates, C
200. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Steven Stamkos, C/RW
201. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Bob Pulford, LW/C
202. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Reg Noble, LW/C
203. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Alf Smith, RW
204. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cale Makar, D
205. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Al Arbour, Coach
206. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - George Armstrong, RW
207. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jimmy Thomson, D

Round 10:

208. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Roman Josi, D
209. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Toe Blake, Coach
210. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vladimir Petrov, C
211. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Weldy Young, D
212. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Claude Provost, RW
213. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Doug Wilson, D
214. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Didier Pitre, RW/D
215. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bernie Parent, G
216. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Herb Gardiner, D
217. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Keith Tkachuk, LW
218. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Theoren Fleury, RW
219. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Jean Ratelle, C
220. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Babe Dye, RW
221. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Lester Patrick, Coach
222. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Vladimir Konstantinov, D
223. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Brad McCrimmon, D
224. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Rod Gilbert, RW
225. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Dany Heatley, W
226. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Harvey Pulford, D
227. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Johnny Bower, G
228. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Eric Desjardins, D
229. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Larmer, RW
230. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Joe Thornton, C

Round 11:

231. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Tommy Ivan, coach
232. tony d - California Golden Seals - Red Horner, D
233. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Bill Barber, LW
234. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Mats Sundin, C
235. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Marty Barry, C
236. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Jacques Lemaire, C
237. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Glen Sather, coach
238. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Helmuts Balderis, RW
239. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Tony Esposito, G
240. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Derian Hatcher, D
241. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Auston Matthews, C
242. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Lionel Hitchman, D
243. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - George Hay, LW
244. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Hap Day, D
245. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Hugh Lehman, G
246. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Jon Cooper, coach
247. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Punch Broadbent, RW
248. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Guy Carbonneau, C
249. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jack Crawford, D
250. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Markus Naslund, LW
251. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Igor Larionov, C
252. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Corey Perry, RW
253. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Hap Day, Coach

Round 12:

254. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Andrei Vasilevskiy, G
255. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Jack Campbell, D
256. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Sergei Gonchar, D
257. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Cooney Weiland, C
258. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Mike Gartner, RW
259. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Fred Shero, coach
260. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Herbie Lewis, LW
261. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Art Ross, D
262. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Jere Lehtinen, RW/LW
263. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Rick Tocchet, RW
264. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dave Taylor, RW
265. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Marty Pavelich, LW
266. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Pat Stapleton, D
267. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Jiri Holik, LW
268. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Getzlaf, C
269. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Anatoly Tarasov, coach
270. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Gordie Drillon, RW
271. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Mickey Mackay, C/RW
272. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bernie Morris, RW/C
273. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Vladimir Lutchenko, D
274. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Billy Smith, G
275. tony d - California Golden Seals - Craig Ramsay, LW
276. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Gordon Roberts, RW

Round 13:

277. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Grant Fuhr, G
278. tony d - California Golden Seals - Tommy Gorman, coach
279. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Claude Giroux, C/LW
280. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Jack Walker, C/LW
281. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Tony Leswick, RW/LW
282. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires- Ryan Suter, D
283. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Duke Keats, C
284. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Johnny Gottselig, LW
285. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Ryan Kesler, C/RW
286. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Joe Simpson, D
287. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Dean Prentice, LW
288. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Vyacheslav Starshinov, C
289. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Alex Ragulin, D
290. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler, C
291. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Pete Green, coach
292. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Nicklas Backstrom, C
293. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Don Marshall, LW/C
294. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Glenn Anderson, W
295. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Jeremy Roenick, C
296. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Ace Bailey, RW
297. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Vaclav Nedomansky, C/RW
298. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Bun Cook, LW
299. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Larry Aurie, RW

Round 14:

300. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - John Tonelli, LW
301. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Ralph Backstrom C
302. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Ed WestFall, RW
303. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Dick Irvin Sr, Coach
304. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ilya Kovalchuk, W
305. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Brian Propp, LW
306. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Leon Draisaitl, C
307. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bobby Rousseau, RW
308. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Esa Tikkanen, LW
309. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Clark Gillies, LW
310. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Cecil Hart, coach
311. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - John Madden, C/LW
312. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Mike Peca, C
313. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Neil Colville, C
314. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Kris Letang, D
315. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Pit Lepine, C
316. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Joe Klukay, W
317. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Bob Goldham, D
318. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Claude Lemieux, RW
319. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Dave Poulin, C
320. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Zigmund Palffy, RW
321. tony d - California Golden Seals - Moose Vasko, D
322. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Jim Schoenfeld, D

Round 15:

323. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Artemi Panarin, LW
324. tony d - California Golden Seals - Gilbert Perreault, C
325. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pat Burns, coach
326. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Gus Mortson, D
327. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Mike Grant, D
328. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Smokey Harris, LW
329. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - David Pastrnak, RW
330. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Cy Wentworth, D
331. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Wayne Cashman, W
332. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Jimmy Ward, RW
333. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Adam Foote, D
334. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Teppo Numminen, D
335. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Sergei Kapustin, LW
336. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Flash Hollet, D
337. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Alexander Mogilny, RW
338. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Don Luce, C
339. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Babe Pratt, D
340. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Dale Hawerchuk, C
341. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bobby Baun, D
342. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Joe Hall, D
343. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Eric Nesterenko, RW
344. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Nick Metz, LW/C
345. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Steve Shutt, LW

Round 16:

346. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Joe Pavelski, C/RW
347. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Henrik Lundqvist, G
348. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Red Dutton, D
349. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Dave Andreychuk, LW
350. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ryan O'Reilly, C
351. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Frank Finnigan, RW
352. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Jack Darragh, RW
353. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Don Marcotte, F
354. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Kevin Lowe, D
355. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mark Giordano, D
356. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Frank Patrick, D
357. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Joe Mullen, RW
358. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Dirk Graham, RW
359. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Kevin Hatcher, D
360. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Phil Housley, D
361. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Reggie Leach, RW
362. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Joel Otto, C
363. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Vincent Damphousse, LW/C
364. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bobby Bauer, RW
365. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Zach Parise, LW
366. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Pat Lafontaine, C
367. tony d - California Golden Seals - Tony Amonte, RW
368. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Ken Mosdell, C

Round 17:

369. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Dan Boyle, D
370. tony d - California Golden Seals - Steve Kasper, C
371. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - John Carlson, D
372. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Art Ross, coach
373. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Punch Imlach, coach
374. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Barry Trotz, coach
375. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Mark Stone, RW
376. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Edgar Laprade, C
377. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Rene Robert, RW
378. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Matthew Tkachuk, LW
379. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Lloyd Cook, D
380. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Joel Quenneville, coach
381. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Allan Cameron, D
382. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mitch Marner, RW
383. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Ted Green, D
384. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bill Hajt, D
385. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Blake Wheeler, RW
386. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Rusty Crawford, F/D
387. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Ken Hitchcock, coach
388. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Jerry Toppazzini, RW
389. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Gary Roberts, LW
390. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Art Duncan, D
391. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Roy Worters, G

Round 18:

392. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Aleksander Barkov, C
393. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Brian Rolston, F
394. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Derek Sanderson, C
395. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Jiri Holecek, G
396. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bob Nevin, RW
397. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Peter Bondra, RW
398. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Joe Nieuwendyk, C
399. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Kevin Stevens, LW
400. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Doug Jarvis, C
401. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Mats Naslund, LW/C
402. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - George Hainsworth, G
403. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Tim Kerr, RW
404. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Daniel Sedin, LW
405. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Connor Hellebuyck, G
406. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Darryl Sutter, coach
407. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Owen Nolan, RW
408. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Roberto Luongo, G
409. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Doug Mohns, D/LW
410. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Jack Marshall, D/C
411. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Brian Rafalski, D
412. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Gary Suter, D
413. tony d - California Golden Seals - Curtis Joseph, G
414. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Vic Stasiuk, W

Round 19:

415. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Blair Russel, LW
416. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jiri Bubla, D
417. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Ed Litzenberger, RW/C
418. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Vladimir Vikulov, C/RW
419. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bob Bourne, F
420. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Gilles Tremblay, LW
421. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - PK Subban, D
422. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Dick Duff, LW
423. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Denis Savard, C
424. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Leo Reise Jr, D
425. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Roger Neilson, coach
426. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Rick Nash, LW
427. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Dolly Swift, F
428. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brent Sutter, C
429. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Pekka Rinne, G
430. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Floyd Curry, RW
431. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Leo Boivin, D
432. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Ryan McDonagh, D
433. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Gump Worsley, G
434. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Butch Goring, C
435. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Mike Ramsey, D
436. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Eddie Oatman, RW/D
437. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Terry Harper, D

Round 20:

438. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Jim Neilson, D
439. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Rod Flett, D
440. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Tiny Thompson, G
441. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Vitali Davydov, D
442. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Mark Tinordi, D
443. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Ott Heller, D
444. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Gennadiy Tsygankov, D
445. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Brent Seabrook, D
446. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Patrick Sharp, W
447. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Brad Richards, C/RW
448. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Red Sullivan, C
449. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Brian Campbell, D
450. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Shane Doan, RW
451. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Dan Bain, C
452. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Taylor Hall, LW
453. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Jean-Guy Talbot, D
454. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Glen Harmon, D
455. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ken Randall, RW/D
456. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Fleming Mackell, F
457. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Carey Price, G
458. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Wendel Clark, LW
459. tony d - California Golden Seals - Danny Gare, RW
460. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Hap Holmes, G

Round 21:

461. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - Scotty Davidson, F
462. tony d - California Golden Seals - Jimmy Watson, D
463. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Jonathan Quick, G
464. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Sid Smith, LW
465. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Si Griffis, D/C
466. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Eddie Giacomin, G
467. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Rick Martin, LW
468. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Harry Lumley, G
469. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Miikka Kiprusoff, G
470. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Phil Watson, C/RW
471. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Odie Cleghorn, RW
472. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Ben Bishop, G
473. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Marian Gaborik, RW
474. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Alec Connell, G
475. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Charlie Simmer, LW
476. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Tuukka Rask, G
477. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Terry O'Reilly, RW
478. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Dickie Boon, D
479. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Tommy Dunderdale, C
480. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Brian Sutter, LW
481. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Kirk Muller, LW/C
482. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Chuck Rayner, G
483. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Bob Davidson, LW

Round 22:

484. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Barry Beck, D
485. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Billy Reay, coach
486. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Kent Nilsson, C
487. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Rat Westwick, F
488. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Gabriel Landeskog, LW
489. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Tom Barrasso, G
490. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Peter Laviolette, coach
491. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Dustin Byfuglien, D/F
492. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Adam Fox, D
493. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Wally Stanowski, D
494. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Shirley Davidson, F
495. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Vincent Lecavalier, C
496. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Marc-André Fleury, G
497. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Andrei Markov, D
498. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Bernie Federko, C
499. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Wade Redden, D
500. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Henrik Sedin, C
501. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Ernie Russell, RW/C
502. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Bob Johnson, coach
503. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Pierre Turgeon, C (Dropped for Dale Hunter)
504. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Justin Williams, RW
505. tony d - California Golden Seals - Patrick Marleau, LW/C
506. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmead Lunas - Lennart Svedberg, D

Round 23:

507. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmeade Lunas - David Backes, C/RW
508. tony d - California Golden Seals - John Tavares, C
509. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Milan Novy, C
510. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Robert Svehla, D
511. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Percy LeSueur, G
512. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Sandis Ozolinsh, D
513. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Willie Mitchell, D
514. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Arkady Chernyshev, coach
515. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Steve Duchesne, D
516. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Bobby Holik, C
517. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Camille Henry, LW/C
518. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Albert Leduc, D
519. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Fred Higginbotham, D
520. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Jordan Staal, C/RW
521. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Johnny Gaudreau, LW
522. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Trevor Linden, C/RW
523. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Joe Primeau, C
524. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Ken Hodge, RW
525. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Bucko McDonald, D
526. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Viktor Kuzkin, D
527. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Randy Carlyle, D
528. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Marty Walsh, C
529. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Walt Tkaczuk, C

Round 24:

530. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Réjean Houle, F
531. ResilientBeast & rmartin65 - Montreal Victorias - Walter Smaill, D/LW/C
532. Claude The Fraud - Cape Breton Eagles - Pat Verbeek, RW
533. jigglysquishy - Regina Capitals - Bob McDougall, F
534. Boreal01 - Cleveland Barons - Sebastian Aho, LW/C
535. tinyzombies - Vagabonds de Montréal - Alex Kovalev, RW
536. Habsfan18 & VanIslander - Broome Dusters - Rogatien Vachon, G
537. BraveCanadian - Guelph Platers - Bobby Rowe, D/RW
538. Hitru & Professor What - Gallifrey TARDIS - Kris Draper, C
539. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Gaye Stewart, F
540. BenchBrawl - Canadiens de Montréal - Chauncey Kirby, F
541. The Macho King - Richmond Renegades - Ondrej Palat, LW
542. Transplanted Caper - Sydney Millionaires - Hamby Shore, D
543. nabby12 - Winnipeg Falcons - Brady Tkachuk, LW
544. Voight - Lone Star Brahmas - Doug Weight, C
545. Hockey Stathead - Detroit Vipers - Ron Ellis, RW
546. Chet Donnelly - Emerald Flowsion - Mikko Rantanen, RW
547. spitsfan24 - Windsor Spitfires - Eric Staal, C/LW
548. ImporterExporter & Johnny Engine - Trois Rivieres AC - Jack Adams, C/LW
549. MVP of West Hollywd - Drumheller Dinosaurs - Phil Kessel, RW
550. GKJ - Philadelphia Firebirds - Carol Vadnais, D
551. tony d - California Golden Seals - Todd Bertuzzi, W
552. Dr John Carlson - Hogsmead Lunas - Mitch Korn, goalie coach

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@tony d
@GKJ
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@ImporterExporter & @Johnny Engine
@spitsfan24
@Chet Donnelly
@Hockey Stathead
@Voight
@nabby12
@Transplanted Caper
@The Macho King
@BenchBrawl
@Leaf Lander
@Hitru & @Professor What
@BraveCanadian
@Habsfan18 & @VanIslander
@tinyzombies
@Boreal01
@jigglysquishy
@Claude The Fraud
@ResilientBeast & @rmartin65
@Hawkey Town 18

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[ImporterExporter]

Glad you're expanding on the small amount of research I did with Imlach. I think he's under-rated here, mostly because of the perception that he's a jerk to his players. From what I found, his bad reputation comes a lot more from his role as GM than as coach.

It might take me the rest of the year, as I just don't have the time I used to, but there are numerous misconceptions about Imlach I've already debunked (evidence in bio now).

1. He definitely worked with an assistant, in King Clancy. Clancy was basically Imlach's right hand man and most trusted partner, who wasn't a player. Clancy helped both w/GM duties and coaching. They were very tight. Clancy was said to be a fantastic compliment to Imlach's more abrasive MO as Clancy was a much more empathetic character and healer.

Imlach also delegated some practice duties to veteran players. This was, from what I can tell so far, only done when GM duties took Imlach away from the team and didn't impact being behind the bench on gameday. It was also infrequent. Imlach ran many, many practices and was involved heavily in the tactical side of the equation.

2. His coaching record was stellar before he ever set foot in Toronto. This was a newish find for me. Beliveau was coached/mentored by Imlach (w/Quebec Aces) and the 2 were close. Beliveau was a pallbearer at Imlach's funeral. So far, I've found 2 years where Imlach was rated by The Hockey News as best coach in the league (over Blake). He was also coach of the year in the QSHL at least once.

3. His reputation as a coach beyond just firing the team up has long been questioned. I'm getting a strong impression from what I've found so far that he was very well respected and admired around the league for his hockey IQ. Not only that, but there are many pieces that speak to his softer side outside of the game. He was very giving to those in need. Sure, there were some players over decades in hockey who didn't "like him". A few, Tiger Williams and Lanny McDonald seemed to outright detest him. But by and large, the overwhelming evidence points to "if you showed up for Imlach, he'd show up for you, full stop."

There's more, but that's what really sticks out so far.

Thanks for stopping in Dreak. Hope all is well for you!

 

[Habsfan18]

Congratulations to both @ImporterExporter and @Johnny Engine on your well deserved ATD championship! You fellas built a great squad and worthy champion.

For IE in particular, this is a long time coming. You’ve come so close multiple times in the past and I’m really happy that you were finally rewarded. You’re without question one of the ATD’s hardest workers and your researching abilities are top notch.

@spitsfan24 You were a worthy finalist and if you choose to continue in the ATD, I think you’ll definitely make it back here again. As I said before, I think you opened some eyes this year. Great work, and I hope you keep your head held high. No shame in losing to that team.

Great work all around by everyone this year. See you all for ATD 2025, or perhaps even sooner if we decide to do an MLD, OPPF or something else.

 

[nabby12]

Congrats @ImporterExporter and @spitsfan24 on a great series and a great run through this year's ATD!

 

[tony d]

Congrats to @ImporterExporter on your win and @spitsfan24 on a good run to the finals.

 

[spitsfan24]

First off, congrats to @ImporterExporter and @Johnny Engine . Undoubtedly, a worthy winner. You guys built a fantastic team, and while my prolonged absence dampened proceedings a bit, I think we still had some quality discussion befitting a championship series.

Thank you to everybody for the congratulations. You're never satisfied with losing in game 7 of the Finals (in OT no less) obviously, and it stings to get this far only to fall short at literally the last possible hurdle. But for my first year going solo, I'm proud of the team I put together, along with the run they made in the playoffs. Now, if you'll please indulge me, I'd like to thank a few people for helping me out along the way. I wouldn't have gotten this far without them.

Johnny, you were my co-GM last year, and without your guidance, I'm sure I would've been absolutely lost this year. I agree with what IE said: it was a blast discussing hockey (and life in general) with you.

@Hockey Outsider, I know you weren't involved a ton in this year's draft, so I apologize for tagging you somewhat unnecessarily, but I appreciate you offering your help to the new GMs pre-draft, and then answering multiple questions I had over the course of the drafting process.

@nabby12, posting your thoughts in our playoff series was my "welcome to the league, rook" moment, in my opinion. I felt like I really had to be on my A-game from that point on, and I think it shaped the run I went on afterwards. Plus, it's always a pleasure discussing a wide variety of subjects with you.

@Habsfan18 and @VanIslander, what a series we had, huh? Our discussion was truly top-notch, and that series was one of my favourite parts of this year's ATD.

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This is getting a bit long, so I'll wrap it up now.

Losing is always tough, but we'll be back. And we'll rise up from the ashes like a phoenix.

See you all in next year's ATD, or maybe even sooner if a smaller-scale draft does end up taking place and I'm invited to it.

 

[Professor What]

I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to say congratulations to the finalists, and especially to the winners. You guys did an awesome job building your teams this year. I look forward to squaring off with you again next year.

 

[VanIslander]

I'm a little late to the party, but I wanted to say congratulations to the finalists, and especially to the winners. You guys did an awesome job building your teams this year. I look forward to squaring off with you again next year.

Hear ye, hear ye.

 

[UnSandvich]

I’m far too much of a hockey history novice to take meaningful part in any discussions on team stuff but I did enjoy reading people’s perspectives on individual things in the playoffs. Gonna try to follow the next go round a bit closer

 

[rmartin65]

@Theokritos would it be possible to show the voter breakdown this year? When/if you have time, of course.

 

[Theokritos]

@Theokritos would it be possible to show the voter breakdown this year? When/if you have time, of course.

Will do. Don't know exactly when, but at some point over the course of this week I should have the time.

 

[GKJ]

Congrats to @ImporterExporter for coming out the victor, and to @spitsfan24 who I think I voted for the whole way

 

[VanIslander]

Edit: ok

 

[tinyzombies]

Voting results for the 2024 ATD Final:

Trois Rivieres AC defeat Windsor Spitfires 4-3 (game 7 decided in overtime)

13 ballots. Voters:
@BenchBrawl, @Boreal01, @Dr John Carlson, @GKJ, @Habsfan18, @Hitru, @Hockey Stathead, @jigglysquishy, @nabby12, @Professor What, @rmartin65, @tinyzombies, @tony d

Félicitations! Thanks to @BenchBrawl and everyone who ran the draft… awesome as always. Learned a bunch yet again.

 

[VanIslander]

Yeah everyone.

 

[Theokritos]

Will do. Don't know exactly when, but at some point over the course of this week I should have the time.

So obviously I haven't been able to do this yet. But I haven't forgotten about it and will make good for it once I find the time.

 

[Theokritos]

The past few months have been exceptionally busy, but from now on I am going to have more spare time again. Which will finally allow me to sit down and prepare the voter breakdown. I expect to be able to do it next week. Sorry for the long wait.

 

[Theokritos]

ATD 2024 Voting Breakdown

Before we get to the actual breakdown, I have an apology to make to @GKJ and, most of all, @Claude The Fraud. While preparing the breakdown, I discovered that I had originally made an accounting error that has distorted the result of the regular season voting. What I announced for the Jim Robson Division was: 4th place, Philadelphia Firebirds. 5th place, Cape Breton Eagles. That was based on a miscalculation on my part. In reality, Cape Breton finished 4th and Philadelphia 5th. I am terribly sorry for that mistake.

I can only hope that the erroneous regular season ranking did not influence the voters too much when they proceeded to give Philadelphia (11 votes) the advantage over Cape Breton (3 votes) in the subsequent head-to-head round. Regardless, it's a mistake that shouldn't have happened.


REGULAR SEASON VOTING

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 74
2. Montreal Victorias – 68.5
3. Hogsmeade Lunas – 67.5
4. Cape Breton Eagles – 51.5
5. Philadelphia Firebirds – 49.5
6. Lone Star Brahmas – 46

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Chicago Shamrocks – 71.5
2. Windsor Spitfires – 69.5
3. Winnipeg Falcons – 68.5
4. California Golden Seals – 65.5
5. Toronto Maple Leafs – 43
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 39

RED FISHER CONFERENCE

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 84.5
2. Sydney Millionaires – 69
3. Gallifrey TARDIS – 59
4. Cleveland Barons – 54
5. Regina Capitals – 46.5
6. Emerald Flowsion – 44

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Canadiens de Montréal – 63
2. Detroit Vipers – 51
3. Richmond Renegades – 50
4. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 46.5
5. Guelph Platers – 44.5


REGULAR SEASON BALLOTS, SINGLE GMs

@BenchBrawl

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6
2. Hogsmeade Lunas – 5
3. Montreal Victorias – 4
4. Philadelphia Firebirds – 3
5. Cape Breton Eagles – 2
6. Lone Star Brahmas – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Winnipeg Falcons – 6
2. Windsor Spitfires– 5
3. Chicago Shamrocks – 4
4. Vagabonds de Montréal – 3
5. California Golden Seals – 2
6. Toronto Maple Leafs – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Gallifrey TARDIS – 5
3. Regina Capitals – 4
4. Emerald Flowsion – 3
5. Cleveland Barons – 2
6. Sydney Millionaires – 1

René Lecavalier Division
1. Canadiens de Montréal – 5 points
2. Detroit Vipers – 4
3. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 3
4. Richmond Renegades – 2
5. Guelph Platers – 1

@Boreal01

Jim Robson Division
1. Lone Star Brahmas – 6
2. Philadelphia Firebirds – 5
3. Cape BretonEagles – 4
4. Hogsmeade Lunas – 3
5. Montreal Victorias – 2
6. Broome Dusters – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Vagabonds de Montréal – 6
2. Chicago Shamrocks – 5
3. Windsor Spitfires – 4
4. WinnipegFalcons – 3
5. California Golden Seals – 2
6. Toronto MapleLeafs – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Cleveland Barons – 6
2. Sydney Millionaires – 5
3. Trois Rivieres AC – 4
4. Regina Capitals – 3
5. Emerald Flowsion – 2
6. Gallifrey TARDIS – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1.Canadiens de Montréal – 5 points
2. Detroit Vipers – 4
3. Guelph Platers – 3
4. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 2
5. Richmond Renegades – 1

@BraveCanadian

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6
2. Hogsmeade Lunas – 5
3. Montreal Victorias – 4
4 Lone Star Brahmas – 3
5. Cape Breton Eagles– 2
6. Philadelphia Firebirds – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Toronto Maple Leafs – 6
2. California Golden Seals – 5
3. Chicago Shamrocks – 4
4. Windsor Spitfires – 3
5. Winnipeg Falcons – 2
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Sydney Millionaires – 5
3. Cleveland Barons – 4
4. Emerald Flowsion – 3
5. Regina Capitals – 2
6. Gallifrey TARDIS – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Guelph Platers – 5
2. Richmond Renegades – 4
3. Canadiens de Montréal – 3
4. Detroit Vipers – 2
5. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 1

@Claude The Fraud

Jim Robson Division
1. Cape Breton Eagles – 6
2. Lone Star Brahmas – 5
3. Hogsmeade Lunas – 4
4. Broome Dusters – 3
5. Philadelphia Firebirds – 2
6. Montreal Victorias – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Chicago Shamrocks – 6
2. Windsor Spitfires – 5
3. Winnipeg Falcons – 4
4. California Golden Seals – 3
5. Toronto Maple Leafs – 2
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Emerald Flowsion – 5
3. Gallifrey TARDIS – 4
4. Sydney Millionaires – 3
5. Cleveland Barons – 2
6. Regina Capitals – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Canadiens de Montréal – 5
2. Guelph Platers – 4
3. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 3
4. Richmond Renegades – 2
5. Detroit Vipers – 1

@Dr John Carlson

Jim Robson Division
1. Hogsmeade Lunas – 6
2. Philadelphia Firebirds – 5
3. Montreal Victorias – 4
4. Broome Dusters – 3
5. Cape Breton Eagles – 2
6. Lone Star Brahmas – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Chicago Shamrocks – 6
2. Windsor Spitfires – 5
3. Winnipeg Falcons – 4
4. Vagabonds de Montréal – 3
5. California Golden Seals – 2
6. Toronto Maple Leafs – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Cleveland Barons – 5
3. Gallifrey TARDIS – 4
4. Emerald Flowsion – 3
5. Regina Capitals – 2
6. Sydney Millionaires – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Canadiens de Montreal – 5
2. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 4
3. Richmond Renegades – 3
4. Guelph Platers – 2
5. Detroit Vipers – 1

@GKJ

Jim Robson Division
1. Philadelphia Firebirds – 6
2. Hogsmeade Lunas – 5
3. Lone Star Brahmas– 4
4. Cape Breton Eagles – 3
5. Montreal Victorias – 2
6. Broome Dusters – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Windsor Spitfires – 6
2. Toronto Maple Leafs – 5
3. California Golden Seals – 4
4. Chicago Shamrocks – 3
5. Winnipeg Falcons – 2
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Sydney Millionaires – 6
2. Emerald Flowsion – 5
3. Cleveland Barons – 4
4. Regina Capitals – 3
5. Trois Rivieres AC – 2
6. Gallifrey TARDIS – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Guelph Platers – 5
2. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 4
3. Detroit Vipers – 3
4. Canadiens de Montréal – 2
5. Richmond Renegades – 1

@Habsfan18

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6
2. Hogsmeade Lunas – 5
3. Philadelphia Firebirds – 4
4. Montreal Victorias – 3
5. Cape Breton Eagles – 2
6. Lone Star Brahmas – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Winnipeg Falcons – 6
2. Chicago Shamrocks – 5
3. California Golden Seals – 4
4. Vagabonds de Montréal– 3
5. Windsor Spitfires – 2
6. Toronto Maple Leafs – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Gallifrey TARDIS – 5
3. Cleveland Barons – 4
4. Sydney Millionaires – 3
5. Regina Capitals – 2
6. Emerald Flowsion – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Detroit Vipers – 5
2. Richmond Renegades – 4
3. Canadiens de Montréal – 3
4. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 2
5. Guelph Platers – 1

@Hawkey Town 18

Jim Robson Division
1. Montreal Victorias – 6
2. Broome Dusters – 5
3. Hogsmeade Lunas – 4
4. Cape Breton Eagles – 3
5. Philadelphia Firebirds – 2
6. Lone Star Brahmas – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Chicago Shamrocks – 6
2. Windsor Spitfires – 5
3. Winnipeg Falcons – 4
4. California Golden Seals – 3
5. Toronto Maple Leafs – 2
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Sydney Millionaires – 5
3. Gallifrey TARDIS – 4
4. Cleveland Barons – 3
5. Emerald Flowsion – 2
6. Regina Capitals – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Canadiens de Montréal – 5
2. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 4
3. Detroit Vipers – 3
4. Richmond Renegades – 2
5. Guelph Platers – 1 point

@Hockey Stathead

Jim Robson Division
1. Montreal Victorias – 6
2. Broome Dusters – 5
3. Hogsmeade Lunas – 4
4. Cape Breton Eagles – 3
5. Lone Star Brahmas – 2
6. Philadelphia Firebirds – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Winnipeg Falcons – 6
2. Windsor Spitfires – 5
3. Chicago Shamrocks – 4
4. California Golden Seals – 3
5. Toronto Maple Leafs – 2
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Sydney Millionaires – 5
3. Gallifrey TARDIS – 4
4. Regina Capitals – 3
5. Emerald Flowsion – 2
6. Cleveland Barons – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Detroit Vipers – 5
2. Richmond Renegades – 4
3. Canadiens de Montreal – 3
4. Guelph Platers – 2
5. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 1

@jigglysquishy

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6
2. Montreal Victorias – 5
3. Philadelphia Firebirds – 4
4. Hogsmeade Lunas – 3
5. Cape Breton Eagles – 2
6. Lone Star Brahmas – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Vagabonds de Montréal – 6
2. Winnipeg Falcons – 5
3. California Golden Seals – 4
4. Toronto Maple Leafs – 3
5. Windsor Spitfires – 2
6. Chicago Shamrocks – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Regina Capitals – 6
2. Trois Rivieres AC – 5
3. Cleveland Barons – 4
4. Sydney Millionaires – 3
5. Gallifrey TARDIS – 2
6. Emerald Flowsion – 1

Rene LecavalierDivision
1. Canadiens de Montréal – 5
2. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 4
3. Detroit Vipers – 3
4. Richmond Renegades – 2
5. Guelph Platers – 1

@MVP of West Hollywd

Jim Robson Division
1. Montreal Victorias – 6
2. Lone Star Brahmas – 5
3. Cape Breton Eagles – 4
4. Hogsmeade Lunas – 3
5. Broome Dusters – 2
6. Philadelphia Firebirds – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. California Golden Seals – 6
2. Winnipeg Falcons – 5
3. Toronto Maple Leafs – 4
4. Chicago Shamrocks – 3
5. Windsor Spitfires – 2
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Gallifrey TARDIS – 6
2. Sydney Millionaires – 5
3. Trois Rivieres AC – 4
4. Cleveland Barons – 3
5. Regina Capitals – 2
6. Emerald Flowsion – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 5
2. Detroit Vipers – 4
3. Richmond Renegades – 3
4. Canadiens de Montréal – 2
5. Guelph Platers – 1

@nabby12:

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6
2. Montreal Victorias – 5
3. Hogsmeade Lunas – 4
4. Cape Breton Eagles – 3
5. Lone Star Brahmas – 2
6. Philadelphia Firebirds – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Winnipeg Falcons – 6
2. Windsor Spitfires– 5
3. Chicago Shamrocks – 4
4. California Golden Seals – 3
5. Vagabonds de Montréal – 2
6. Toronto Maple Leafs – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Sydney Millionaires – 6
2. Regina Capitals – 5
3. Trois Rivieres Athletic Club – 4
4. Gallifrey TARDIS – 3
5. Cleveland Barons – 2
6. Emerald Flowsion – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Canadiens de Montréal – 5
2. Guelph Platers – 4
3. Detroit Vipers – 3
4. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 2
5. RichmondRenegades – 1

@rmartin65

Jim Robson Division
1. Montreal Victorias – 6
2. Hogsmeade Lunas – 5
3. Philadelphia Firebirds – 4
4. Lone Star Brahmas – 3
4. Broome Dusters – 2
5. Cape Breton Eagles – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Chicago Shamrocks – 6
2. Winnipeg Falcons – 5
3. California Golden Seals – 4
4. Windsor Spitfires – 3
5. Vagabonds de Montreal – 2
6. Toronto Maple Leafs – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Emerald Flowsion – 5
3. Sydney Millionaires – 4
4. Cleveland Barons – 3
5. Regina Capitals – 2
6. Gallifrey TARDIS – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Canadiens de Montréal – 5
2. Guelph Platers – 4
3. Richmond Renegades – 3
4. Detroit Vipers – 2
5. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 1

@The Macho King

Jim Robson Division
1. Montreal Victorias – 6
2. Broome Dusters – 5
3. Lone Star Brahmas – 4
4. Cape Breton Eagles – 3
5. Hogsmeade Lunas – 2
6. PhiladelphiaFirebirds – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Windsor Spitfires – 6
2. Chicago Shamrocks – 5
3. California Golden Seals – 4
4. Toronto Maple Leafs – 3
5. Vagabonds de Montréal – 2
6. Winnipeg Falcons – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Trois Rivieres AC – 6
2. Regina Capitals – 5
3. Sydney Millionaires – 4
4. Cleveland Barons – 3
5. Gallifrey TARDIS – 2
6. Emerald Flowsion – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Richmond Renegades – 5
2. Canadiens de Montréal – 4
3. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 3
4. Guelph Platers – 2
5. Detroit Vipers – 1

@tony d:

Jim Robson Division
1. Cape Breton Eagles – 6
2. Broome Dusters – 5
3. Philadelphia Firebirds – 4
4. Lone Star Brahmas – 3
5. Montreal Victorias – 2
6. Hogsmeade Lunas – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. California Golden Seals – 6
2. Toronto Maple Leafs – 5
3. Vagabonds de Montréal – 4
4. Winnipeg Falcons – 3
5. Windsor Spitfires – 2
6. Chicago Shamrocks – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Gallifrey TARDIS – 6 points
2. Emerald Flowsion – 5
3. Sydney Millionaires – 4
4. Cleveland Barons – 3
5. Trois Rivieres Athletic Club – 2
6. Regina Capitals – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Detroit Vipers – 5 points
2. Richmond Renegades – 4
3. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 3
4. Guelph Platers – 2
5. Canadiens de Montréal – 1

@Transplanted Caper:

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6
2. Hogsmeade Lunas – 5
3. Montreal Victorias – 4
4. Cape Breton Eagles – 3
5. Philadelphia Firebirds – 2
6. Lone Star Brahmas – 1

Foster Hewitt Division
1. California Golden Seals – 6
2. Windsor Spitfires – 5
3. Chicago Shamrocks – 4
4. Toronto Maple Leafs – 3
5. Winnipeg Falcons – 2
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1

Bob Cole Division
1. Sydney Millionaires – 6
2. Trois Rivieres AC – 5
3. Gallifrey TARDIS – 4
4. Regina Capitals – 3
5. Cleveland Barons – 2
6. Emerald Flowsion – 1

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Richmond Renegades – 5
2. Guelph Platers – 4
3. Detroit Vipers – 3
4. Canadiens de Montréal – 2
5. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 1


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@Hitru

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6/2 = 3
2. Philadelphia Firebirds – 5/2 = 2.5
3. Cape Breton Eagles – 4/2 = 2
4. Lone Star Brahmas – 3/2 = 1.5
5. Hogsmeade Lunas – 2/2 = 1
6. Montreal Victorias – 1/2 = 0.5

Foster Hewitt Division
1. California Golden Seals – 6/2 = 3
2. Windsor Spitfires – 5/2 =2.5
3. Winnipeg Falcons – 4/2 = 2
4. Chicago Shamrocks – 3/2 =1.5
5. Toronto Maple Leafs – 2/2 = 1
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1/2 = 0.5

Bob Cole Division
1. Gallifrey TARDIS – 6/2 = 3
2. Trois Rivieres AC – 5/2 = 2.5
3. Sydney Millionaires – 4/2 =2
4. Emerald Flowsion – 3/2 = 1.5
5. Regina Capitals – 2/2 =1
6. Cleveland Barons – 1/2 = 0.5

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. DrumhellerDinosaurs – 5/2 = 2.5
2. Guelph Platers – 4/2 = 2
3. Richmond Renegades – 3/2 = 1.5
4. Canadiens de Montréal – 2/2 = 1
5. Detroit Vipers – 1/2 = 0.5

@Professor What

Jim Robson Division
1. Broome Dusters – 6/2= 3
2. Hogsmeade Lunas – 5/2 = 2.5
3. Montreal Victorias – 4/2 = 2
4. Lone Star Brahmas – 3/2 = 1.5
5. Philadelphia Firebirds – 2/2 = 1
6. Cape Breton Eagles – 1/2 = 0.5

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Chicago Shamrocks – 6/2 = 3
2. Winnipeg Falcons – 5/2 = 2.5
3. Windsor Spitfires – 4/2 = 2
4. California Golden Seals – 3/2 = 1.5
5. Toronto Maple Leafs – 2/2 = 1
6. Vagabonds de Montréal – 1/2 = 0.5

Bob Cole Division
1. Gallifrey TARDIS – 6/2 = 3
2. Cleveland Barons – 5/2 = 2.5
3. Trois Rivieres AC – 4/2 = 2
4. Emerald Flowsion – 3/2 = 1.5
5. Sydney Millionaires – 2/2 = 1
6. Regina Capitals – 1/2 = 0.5

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Richmond Renegades – 5/2 = 2.5
2. Canadiens de Montréal – 4/2 = 2
3. Detroit Vipers – 3/2 = 1.5
4. Drumheller Dinosaurs – 2/2 = 1
5. Guelph Platers – 1/2 = 0.5


Playoff Breakdown to follow.

 

[Claude The Fraud]

@Theokritos thanks for your work! I don’t hold your mistake against you, my friend! No hard feelings here!

@tony d, thanks for your first place vote!

 

[BenchBrawl]

Thanks for doing this Theo, with the tough year you've had it's even more appreciated.

Looking back, I feel my RS voting was harsh but fair. Punished teams for some things, rewarded others. I was transparent through the draft about my thinking. Still a hard exercise as so many teams were so close.

 

[BenchBrawl]

You know, it's no problem to rank a GM last in his division draft after draft, even if the final standing of his teams makes it a contrarian opinion. What is rather bizarre, is to then go and ask that same GM for advice in private year after year.

 

[Theokritos]

@Theokritos thanks for your work! I don’t hold your mistake against you, my friend! No hard feelings here!

I'm glad to hear that, thank you very much!

Thanks for doing this Theo, with the tough year you've had it's even more appreciated.

Thanks! In case anyone is wondering what BB is referring to: back in February I got caught under the wheel of a truck while riding my bicycle.

The truck first drove over the bicycle... then, realizing something was wrong, the driver hit the breaks... but the truck didn't come to a standstill before it was parked on my leg. It remained in this position for a few moments before pulling back, which meant that it drove over my leg a second time... but simultaneously it got me free. All this I experienced with full consciousness. The first wave of pain, the situation of being stuck under the wheel and crying for help, the second wave of pain as the truck pulled back.

To make a long story (a bit more than a month in hospital) short: I was incredibly lucky I didn't get permanently disabled or even killed that day. What's more, not a single bone or nerve was permanently damaged, to my surprise and the surprise of the doctors.

Some photos (in spoiler tags, because not everyone might like to see them):

My bicyle afterwards

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The wheel that did the damage

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My leg after the accident

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[jigglysquishy]

That's awful. Hope you're feeling better. It's a madhouse on the road out there.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Wow glad to hear that despite it being a bad accident you are ok in the end. Talk about bad luck and good luck mixed together.

I know we all appreciate you helping out and taking the time to keep things running here.

 

[sr edler]

Yikes. Glad you're well, Theo. As someone's who done a lot of cycling myself in traffic over the years, that type of stuff is terrifying. I'm not as cocky or carefree in traffic anymore as when younger, and I've been lucky enough to only hit the road by myself.

 

[VanIslander]

I have been hesistant to cycle on the road since an old lady driving a big 1970s Chrysler sideswipped me, her non-retractable mirror leaving a lasting mark on my back.

Bike lanes in some cities is actually a factor in future decisions as to where to live.