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ATD 2023 Draft Thread II (see post 1,069 for ATD Final voting result)

12 ballots so far, but half of them from two GMs of the same team. Which means that only 9 of the 19 entries have submitted ballots until now.

Just sent mine. I know we seem to say this every year but, boy, was it tough deciding on some of these. Outside of a very few cases, there is tremendous parity here and it felt like a coin toss to order some of these divisions. I felt bad ranking some great teams lower in their division just because someone had to be.
 
I haven't been on the site for a week, missed the voting deadline evidently. Apologies gents, the Penguins suck and this thing had hit a major lull so I wasn't compelled to check in.
 
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12 ballots so far, but half of them from two GMs of the same team. Which means that only 9 of the 19 entries have submitted ballots until now.

No ballot received missing from:
Chesapeake Icebreakers (@VanIslander)
Chicago Shamrocks (@Hawkey Town 18)
Guelph Platers (@TheDevilMadeMe & @BraveCanadian)
Peterborough Petes (@Claude The Fraud)
Portland Stags (@RustyRazor)
Richmond Renegades (@The Macho King)
Saskatoon Sheiks (@ImporterExporter)
Seattle Metropolitans (@Sturminator)
Toronto Maple Leafs (@Leaf Lander)
Windsor Spitfires (@Johnny Engine & @spitsfan24)
I'll try to get mine in tomorrow. Kids have been sick lately and work is nuts.
 
12 ballots so far, but half of them from two GMs of the same team. Which means that only 9 of the 19 entries have submitted ballots until now.

No ballot received missing from:
Chesapeake Icebreakers (@VanIslander)
Chicago Shamrocks (@Hawkey Town 18)
Guelph Platers (@TheDevilMadeMe & @BraveCanadian)
Peterborough Petes (@Claude The Fraud)
Portland Stags (@RustyRazor)
Richmond Renegades (@The Macho King)
Saskatoon Sheiks (@ImporterExporter)
Seattle Metropolitans (@Sturminator)
Toronto Maple Leafs (@Leaf Lander)
Windsor Spitfires (@Johnny Engine & @spitsfan24)
Ill take a look tonight
 
I just voted.

(A couple of days later than expected cuz i just moved to a new place, got a new job starting soon - this month is a hectic one of transition for me.)
 
I'm not an authority here but given Wednesday was the deadline for votes and we're 2 days past that now we need to look at closing off voting and move onto the playoffs.
 
Agreed, there need to be some deadlines for this. Close voting 24 hours from now?
 
The weekend is most often not involved in deadlines, traditionally.

Theo may not even be around to tally votes until Monday.

I recommend Monday noon Pacific time, or better: have @Theokritos set the deadline (tomorrow? Monday? .... when is good for you to tally votes)
 
Weekend and Easter Monday is not a hinderance for me. The question is, can we still expect more ballots any time soon? I have received 18 now. Can't expect one from ImporterExporter. The Macho King seems a bit unlikely considering his last post. That leaves us with Leaf Lander and seventieslord (who said they would submit but haven't yet) plus RustyRazor and Sturminator who haven't commented. Considering the closeness of the race, I'd like to get one or two more ballots. If I have them by 12 PM EST (four hours from now), the voting will be closed and the results announced.

@Leaf Lander
@RustyRazor
@seventieslord
@Sturminator
 
No new submissions, but I need another ballot to break two-way ties in three divisions. So once I get one more ballot, we can move on to the playoffs.
 
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@seventieslord
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... whether you get votes in for the regular season or not,...

You are welcome to submit playoff round votes! And analysis. The match-up threads would be enriched certainly by your participation.
I'm very close to getting mine in.

Whatever you do, don't tally the votes without getting mine. I've spent a good amount of time on them and a lot of effort getting them sent to me to begin with. I might be holding things up by an extra hour or two right now but it would be a shame to do all this for nothing.
 
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I just got the rosters a few hours ago. If I can have until tomorrow night, I can send in my picks. If the draft needs to move forward, do it, and PM me when the playoff matchups start.
 
I wouldn't want to vote blindly on playoff matchups. I feel they're too dependent on the arguments being made. I just submitted my votes and took a look at who had what team.

I don't know if these votes are "better" than votes I would have cast if I was part of the draft the whole way through. There's a benefit to being able to see the case made when a player is taken or when a lineup decision is made, then see what kind of feedback the GM receives, and how they answer it. You also have months to let things percolate in your brain as they develop.

still, there's no question that there would be some subconscious bias involved. If there are GMs that I feel continually make strong arguments, I'm going to tend to like their teams more. So this way, my opinions are completely based on what I feel is the quality of the lineups on paper. It's not a better or worse way to do things, just different.

Team Al Arbour: this was my favourite team in the draft. It overcame a pretty underwhelming top line to get there. This squad is at least average in every area, and excellent in some (love top 2 pairings, coaching and goaltending). Still, they only received 66% of the maximum possible score (that a team would receive if it was the very best in every area).

Team Lester Patrick: my 2nd favourite team overall. It had the strongest weaknesses of any team in the draft. I wasn't a huge fan of either their 1st or 2nd line (not terrible, just below average) but they were above average literally everywhere else.

If it wasn't for weaker goaltending and spares, that distinction would be given to team Bowman, which is just good-to-excellent everywhere else.

For the 2nd straight year, the same squad came last in my blind rankings. sorry.....

I didn't find any division to be stacked more or less than others.

Division A had teams 4, 11, 15 and 17 in my overall rankings.
Division B had 2, 8, 9, 12, 19.
Division C had 1, 5, 10, 16, 18.
Division D had 3, 6, 7, 13, 14.

If I had to pick one division that was the strongest it would be division D (Bowman, Blake, Sather, Quenneville, Gorman), with a 3-way time for 2nd after that (too close to call).
 
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Here are the regular season voting results. 19 ballots received. The voters were:

Full-value ballots: @BlueBleeder, @Claude The Fraud, @Dr Pepper, @Hawkey Town 18, @Johnny Engine, @overpass, @ResilientBeast, @seventieslord, @tinyzombies, @tony d, @VanIslander
Half-value ballots: @BraveCanadian & @TheDevilMadeMe, @ChiTownPhilly & @nabby12, @Habsfan18 & @Transplanted Caper, @Hitru & @Professor What

RED FISHER CONFERENCE

Jim Robson Division

1. Vancouver Millionaires
2. Ottawa 67s
3. Chicago Shamrocks
4. Gallifrey TARDIS
5. Sud-Ouest Attack

Foster Hewitt Division
1. Seattle Metropolitans
2. Saskatoon Sheiks
3. Windsor Spitfires
4. Trois-Rivieres Lions
5. Brantford Alexanders

JIM COLEMAN CONFERENCE

Bob Cole Division

1. Guelph Platers
2. Peterborough Petes
3. Gimli Whisky Thieves
4. St. Louis Eagles
5. Toronto Maple Leafs

Rene Lecavalier Division
1. Richmond Renegades
2. Nova Scotia Voyageurs
3. Chesapeake Icebreakers
4. Portland Stags
 

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