ATD 2023 Draft Thread I

[ResilientBeast]

Richmond is proud to select:

LW Woody Dumart

Three time AS (on both sides of the war), he'll be a great fit on Richmond.

Given you didn't have a LW, not a bad fill in. And realistically you don't need much from him given your Lemieux-Kurri and Sakic-Maltsev pairings

 

[Beliveau]

You're not wrong. I feel like we should be discussing one another's line/team construction more than we probably do, but then again, the teams are only just now starting to take shape. With no trades this year, I'm sure there'll be more back-and-forth going forward.

Agreed. I wanted to read your thoughts and enjoyed doing so. I didn't have Robitaille or Kariya on my list, but instead drafted Phillips, Provost, and Noble and have no regrets.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Saskatoon is quite thrilled this player made it all the way back around after gambling on Stewart in round 9.

The pride of Peribonka, Quebec:

Michel Goulet, LW

John Brophy said:

"Goulet was eighteen when he came, and he didn't speak a word of English, but he was a super player. He did everything he was asked to do. He became not only one of the best offensive players in the NHL, he became one of the best defensive wingers as well.

Ultimate Hockey

Goulet was a strong skater with a superb shot, who threw his body around and played well defensively. Goulet was the complete package.

Hockey! The world of the pros, Michael A. Berge

Quebec's Michel Goulet deserves all the attention he can get. Goulet is a very versatile player, one who devotes much time and effort to checking, penalty-killing and being a good defensive presence.

A Century of Hockey Heroes: 100 of the Greatest All-Time Stars

Goulet was traded to Chicago and he continued to be a productive, defensively sound winger in the Windy City ...

The Montreal Gazette - Apr. 12, 1986

He's only 25 years old and he's scored 50 or more goals for four consecutive seasons. He's also French-Canadian. It's not often said about him, but at his age, Michel Goulet is the most prolific goal scorer in the history of French Canada.

He is the unappreciated and unloved superstar...

He is one of the fastest skaters in the league, he is one of the best left wingers along the boards, yet he gets no credit for it. He can even fight. Last season in Hartford he broke his hand trashing rugged XXXXX XXXXXX. Then he played the following month with his hand in a cast and he still scored goals.

The Leader-Post - Oct. 27, 1982

Michel Goulet's goal output has risen steadily in his three seasons with Quebec and the hard-working left winger appears destined for another season of improvement with the National Hockey League's Nordiques.

Goulet's relentless work has not gone unnoticed by Quebec head coach Michel Bergeron.

"He is a complete player with a great attitude, he knows the value of a good pass and he is a great team player."

Boston Globe - Jan. 5, 1984

Quebec's hottest player is Michel Goulet, who may be "one of the most underrated players in the game," as his coach, Michel Bergeron, says, but certainly not by the Bruins.

"He's underrated because he executes as well on defense as on offense," says Bergeron

Chicago Sun-Times - Oct. 30, 1990

Wayne Presley is probably an underrated defensive player. And Michel Goulet always was a smart defensive player.

Greatest Hockey Legends

Michel Goulet was probably the most consistently high scoring left winger in the National Hockey League throughout the entire 1980s. The native of Peribonka, Quebec did this under the intense pressure of the hometown Quebecois fans, as most of his career was spent with the Quebec Nordiques.

Though known as a goal scorer, Michel started out slowly in the NHL. He concentrated on improving his defense and doing small things to help his team win. He would quickly blossom into one of the league's brightest shooters.

Legends of Hockey

One of the most opportunistic scorers in league history, Michel Goulet was an elite left winger during his 15-year career. He managed to score at least 20 goals in all but his last NHL year and once enjoyed a stretch of seven consecutive seasons with at least 40 goals. Although he wasn't considered a rough player, Goulet wasn't intimidated by aggressive play on the part of the opposition.

Just prior to the trading deadline in March 1990, Goulet was sent to the Chicago Blackhawks. He adjusted well to his first new team in a decade, but this change required his veteran poise; he was now playing on a tight-checking team that required him to play a defensive role while providing timely scoring.

Joe Pelletier said:

One would have to wonder how good Michel Goulet would have been playing a full season on Wayne Gretzky's left wing. Gretzky never had a regular left winger until the arrival of Esa Tikkanen, but in Canada Cup tournaments Goulet was often Wayne's left side partner. He played on a line in the 1984 Canada Cup with Gretzky and Rick Middleton. In 1987 Goulet is often the forgotten man on Team Canada's top line of Goulet-Gretzky-Mario Lemieux. Goulet provided offense but was more or less the defensive safety valve as well.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Saskatoon is quite thrilled this player made it all the way back around after gambling on Stewart in round 9.

The pride of Peribonka, Quebec:

Michel Goulet, LW

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John Brophy said:



Ultimate Hockey



Hockey! The world of the pros, Michael A. Berge



A Century of Hockey Heroes: 100 of the Greatest All-Time Stars



The Montreal Gazette - Apr. 12, 1986



The Leader-Post - Oct. 27, 1982



Boston Globe - Jan. 5, 1984



Chicago Sun-Times - Oct. 30, 1990



Greatest Hockey Legends



Legends of Hockey



Joe Pelletier said:

Feels like a pretty big fall for Goulet at least compared to recent draft positions.

 

[Sturminator]

Feels like a pretty big fall for Goulet at least compared to recent draft positions.

I think he belongs in the same range as Dumart, Noble, and Northcott. Less gritty, and probably less defense (I'm not splitting any hairs on that one), but somewhat better scoring. He's just the last guy in that tier to go this year, rather than the first.

 

[tony d]

Goulet's always been a favorite of mine. I've drafted him a couple times here.

 

[Sturminator]

Goulet's always been a favorite of mine. I've drafted him a couple times here.

I considered Goulet where I took Foyston. It was really only Foyston's style of play (which I think fits better with Fedorov - Kane) and his playoff heroics that tipped the scale for me.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Feels like a pretty big fall for Goulet at least compared to recent draft positions.

A bit of a drop, yes. I would have been pleased with any of he, Dumart, Northcott or Noble there so I ended up lucking out in the end. He obviously brings more offense than the other 3, especially the latter 2. Maintains a good defensive reputation despite the era and Team Canada called on him numerous times. I like that he generally wasn't skating with anything to write home about at ES and still produced good offensive totals, so getting Stewart and Kucherov as linemates is a pretty massive upgrate over real life.

 

[Beliveau]

I think he belongs in the same range as Dumart, Noble, and Northcott. Less gritty, and probably less defense (I'm not splitting any hairs on that one), but somewhat better scoring. He's just the last guy in that tier to go this year, rather than the first.

Agreed. There's only one more team this year and he went in the tenth round both years so there's no fall.

 

[The Macho King]

Given you didn't have a LW, not a bad fill in. And realistically you don't need much from him given your Lemieux-Kurri and Sakic-Maltsev pairings

He's balanced offensively and brings a lot of good on D. Obviously built knowing my LW wasn't going to be the strength of the like but also - with the Cs and RWs I have I don't need them to lift a lot.

 

[Sturminator]

Fun fact: Frank Foyston was one of my original "journeys of discovery" as an ATD GM and researcher. Unless I'm wildly mistaken, I believe I was the first among us to unearth the fact that, scoring wise, Foyston was basically the Fedorov of his day.

I didn't even realize at the time that his best playoffs may well have been when he went head-to-head (while lining up at center) with Frank Nighbor in the 1920 Finals in what was ultimately a losing effort for Seattle, 3-2. Foyston's performance in that series, in light of what we now know about those Sens, is frankly incredible, as is his playoff record generally for a guy whose regular season scoring doesn't blow you away.

After Nighbor, himself, there's a good argument that Frank Foyston was the greatest money player of his era.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Fun fact: Frank Foyston was one of my original "journeys of discovery" as an ATD GM and researcher. Unless I'm wildly mistaken, I believe I was the first among us to unearth the fact that, scoring wise, Foyston was basically the Fedorov of his day.

I didn't even realize at the time that his best playoffs may well have been when he went head-to-head (while lining up at center) with Frank Nighbor in the 1920 Finals in what was ultimately a losing effort for Seattle, 3-2. Foyston's performance in that series, in light of what we now know about those Sens, is frankly incredible, as is his playoff record generally for a guy whose regular season scoring doesn't blow you away.

After Nighbor, himself, there's a good argument that Frank Foyston was the greatest money player of his era.

Please bring this to the top pre merger project.

 

[Sturminator]

Please bring this to the top pre merger project.

I will do my best. Working on a new Foyston bio this year, but recovering all my old work looks like it will be a somewhat arduous task.

I know some of you have plowed through all the Sens games from that era, so I'm sure somebody's got the 1920 Finals game reports handy. The rest of Foyston's record, I'll have to reconstruct in a somewhat painstaking manner, though, so it may not be timely for that project.

 

[tinyzombies]

I will do my best. Working on a new Foyston bio this year, but recovering all my old work looks like it will be a somewhat arduous task.

I know some of you have plowed through all the Sens games from that era, so I'm sure somebody's got the 1920 Finals game reports handy. The rest of Foyston's record, I'll have to reconstruct in a somewhat painstaking manner, though, so it may not be timely for that project.

Have you tried scraping the site?

 

[Sturminator]

Have you tried scraping the site?

No.

What would you suggest I use to do that? You can PM me so as not to gum up the thread with my bitching about server resets.

 

[tinyzombies]

No.

What would you suggest I use to do that? You can PM me so as not to gum up the thread with my bitching about server resets.

I downloaded a free scraper but it wouldn’t load from the ATD main page. I’ll try again with the bios tonight.

 

[Sturminator]

I downloaded a free scraper but it wouldn’t load from the ATD main page. I’ll try again with the bios tonight.

Danke schön.

 

[Beliveau]

No. What would you suggest I use to do that? You can PM me so as not to gum up the thread with my bitching about server resets.

The older I get the more grateful I am for server resets. There were way too many times champs posted that "goalies don't matter in the ATD". I'm not proud of that. Top 10 goalies have won or gone to the Finals less than the rest. Cujo made the finals one year.

A hockey coach GM would add a lot to this. I miss @Dreakmur 's common sense and practicality. I think it's possible that NHL coaches, GMs, historians, players, and writers that saw all of a player's career may have insights into that player that someone who started watching the league after the player retired may not have. If I'm wrong, why do we quote them?

 

[Beliveau]

I want to thank the HoH/ATD mods. The tone of the HoH forum and this sub-forum has been better and more civilized since you guys took over. You guys do a great job and I appreciate you.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

The older I get the more grateful I am for server resets. There were way too many times champs posted that "goalies don't matter in the ATD". I'm not proud of that. Top 10 goalies have won or gone to the Finals less than the rest. Cujo made the finals one year.

A hockey coach GM would add a lot to this. I miss @Dreakmur 's common sense and practicality. I think it's possible that NHL coaches, GMs, historians, players, and writers that saw all of a player's career may have insights into that player that someone who started watching the league after the player retired may not have. If I'm wrong, why do we quote them?

Nobody ever said that. Well, maybe someone with a better goalie who got beaten anyway might have said it to complain.

Also, lol at @rmartin65 mixing up his roster multiple times during our turn. You screwing with us, man?

 

[ResilientBeast]

Also, lol @ rmartin mixing up his roster multiple times during our turn. You screwing with us, man?

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

We'll pick Peter Stastny, C

A scoring-first center with a halfway decent all-round game,, Stastny's stats were likely hurt a bit by two things - losing a prime season to the Iron Curtain, and playing in the most defensive division in the NHL.

 

[ResilientBeast]

We were hoping one of those centers (Bentley/Thronton/Cowley) would've fallen all the way to us but since they didn't we're thrilled to pivot. We will complete our top 6 forwards and top 4 defense by selecting

Babe Dye, RW

And Lester Patrick, D

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

We'll complete our top 4 defense with the mega-tough Fern Flaman, D

A right-handed shot, Flaman finished a distant second to Doug Harvey in a coach's poll for "best defensive defenseman" in the NHL. Norris record of 3, 3, 3, 5, 5. Best player on a Boston team that got their butts kicked in the Cup finals a few times by the Montreal superteam.

We were hoping one of those centers (Bentley/Thronton/Cowley) would've fallen all the way to us but since they didn't we're thrilled to pivot. We will complete our top 6 forwards and top 4 defense by selecting

Babe Dye, RW

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And Lester Patrick, D

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I had a feeling that if you picked a defenseman, it would be Patrick. So I felt safe picking Flaman second.

Our delay was deciding which of Dye or Stastny we wanted more.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I had a feeling that if you picked a defenseman, it would be Patrick. So I felt safe picking Flaman second.

Our delay was deciding which of Dye or Stastny we wanted more.

Interesting, I would've expected Dye to be safe given you already had 2 RWs.