ATD 2022 Draft Thread II

[The Macho King]

Partial bio on Ken Reardon up. I'm not seeing reports of him being slow (if anything the opposite).

Please let me know what you think.

 

[Dreakmur]

Partial bio on Ken Reardon up. I'm not seeing reports of him being slow (if anything the opposite).

Please let me know what you think.

Good pick with Reardon. He was the #1 defenseman on my list.

From my own reading on him, he sounded like a clumsily powerful skater. He could generate good speed, but lacked good edge control.

 

[The Macho King]

Good pick with Reardon. He was the #1 defenseman on my list.

From my own reading on him, he sounded like a clumsily powerful skater. He could generate good speed, but lacked good edge control.

This I could buy.

 

[Dreakmur]

Orillia will select a two-way forward who played tough but clean, and also scores very well at even strength - Woody Dumart.

 

[VanIslander]

"Porky" Dumart, as he was also repeatedly referred to, in newspapers and on multiple playing cards of the era

 

[nabby12]

Gilbert Perreault

 

[tony d]

I have back to back picks, with the 1st one I complete my 2nd line and go with Right Winger Rick Middleton.

With the 2nd pick I start off my 3rd line with a guy who should be able to fill in for Lindros when needed (Albeit not so much physically but he should be a solid point producer), Peter Stastny.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Chicago selects Cecil Dillon, RW

 

[RustyRazor]

Via list, @Claude The Fraud picks Scotty Bowman, Coach

Edit, pm sent to @Leaf Lander

and another edit to fix a spelling error.

 

[The Macho King]

Via list, @Claude The Fraud picks Scotty Bowman, Coach

Edit, pm sent to @Leaf Lander

and another edit to fix a spelling error.

And the seal is broken.

 

[Leaf Lander]

Leafs select

Glenn Anderson RW
And Rod Brind'Amour C

 

[Claude The Fraud]

The Hull Olympiques are proud to select, from Barrie, Ontario, the Sasquatch… euh… sorry… Brent Burns.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'll pick Johnny Bower, G

Among remaining goalies, his "issue" (a decent amount of platooning in the regular season) is the easiest to compensate for here. In games that he did play, he was consistently excellent.

• AHL MVP 3 years in a row before getting a shot at the NHL
• Led the NHL in unofficial save percentage 6 times
• This is what kind of sold me on Bower during the HOH Top 200 project - his save percentage was regularly ahead of his tandem partner, often way ahead
• #2 behind Jacques Plante in Career Playoff Goals-Above-Replacement, among goalies who peaked pre-expansion

Dreakmur bio: ATD2020 Bio Thread

 

[VanIslander]

Bower, 19th in the HOH Project, begins the run on back-up goalies in an 18-team ATD.

The seal has been broken.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Bower, 19th in the HOH Project, begins the run on back-up goalies in an 18-team ATD.

The seal has been broken.

What are you talking about? He’s clearly a starter and being used as such

 

[VanIslander]

Did i stutter?

I cited him as 19th in the HOH project in an 18-team ATD.

That's what I'm talking about.

Choosing a goalie last and then reaching down for the 4th or so best of his own era after loading lines 1 &2, filling pairs 1 & 2 and after starting the 3rd line?

 

[Sturminator]

What are you talking about? He’s clearly a starter and being used as such

Obvious troll is obvious.

I'll admit I find the post somewhat amusing, but that's because I don't take it too seriously. Bower is certainly a lower-end goalie in an 18 team ATD, but there's also a good argument he's the best of what's left in a playoff format. There are very good reasons the top-xxx lists and the ATD draft order end up being quite different.

 

[The Macho King]

Did i stutter?

I cited him as 19th in the HOH project in an 18-team ATD.

That's what I'm talking about.

Choosing a goalie last and then reaching down for the 4th or so best of his own era after loading lines 1 &2, filling pairs 1 & 2 and after starting the 3rd line?

I mean - a few obvious issues with this line of reasoning.

First - HoH project was far from infallible.

Second - generally even if one player is "better" than another for HoH, they're a) grouped in tiers, and b) could be individual skillsets that set one out above the other.

Third - I mean TDMM generally does well in this, so while he clearly took a risk waiting this late to get a starting goalie (and this will definitely be brought up considerably in discussions I'm sure), he also clearly built his team in a way to attempt to compensate for that. We'll see if it pays off, but someone had to be the last to take a goalie.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Yeah, I think Bower is the best overall playoff goalie left at this point. I pushed him hard last year based on his stellar AHL career aiding the regular season resume and think he's a bit better overall than his final ranking that HoH project. Obviously a below average starter at 18 teams but a starter IMO. As TDMM pointed out, get him a good regular season tandem and it's definitely workable.

Every team is going to have a weakness or 2. It's the nature of the contest. Even in a smaller draft, it's going to be hard to point to a team and not see a soft spot in the armor, somewhere, be it top 6, top 4, or in net.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

If we're going back to the HOH lists, there were 5 goalies all grouped between 106-114 on the HOH Top 200 project. One of them was Bower. Of course when a bunch of goalies are grouped similarly, the one with the best big game record goes first.

Basically, the difference between Belfour and Bower here is that Bower's backup is going to play more in the regular season. If Bower maintained his level of play over full regular seasons, he'd be ranked much much higher.

Edit - to be clear, Bower DID maintain a high level of play in the regular season games he played; he just tended to play fewer of them than other great goalies

 

[Sturminator]

Every team is going to have a weakness or 2. It's the nature of the contest. Even in a smaller draft, it's going to be hard to point to a team and not see a soft spot in the armor, somewhere, be it top 6, top 4, or in net.

It's all relative, right? Even in a two team draft, both teams would end up being below average at a bunch of things. It was once possible, through superior knowledge and research, to build an ATD team that was in the upper echelons of the league at literally every position. Those days are long gone, though, and that is a good thing. As a group, our knowledge of the game's history has come a long way, and that has made the margins a lot tighter.

 

[Sturminator]

Basically, the difference between Belfour and Bower here is that Bower's backup is going to play more in the regular season. If Bower maintained his level of play over full regular seasons, he'd be ranked much much higher.

That may be overstating the point somewhat. Bower probably benefited from the fact that the NHL playoffs only went two rounds during his prime. I believe we're in for four rounds of playoffs in this format, no? I'm not sure if Bower is a guy you can reliably start every single game of a deep playoff run like you can many ATD goalies, though that is probably a subject on which opinions will differ among the voters.

 

[ImporterExporter]

It's all relative, right? Even in a two team draft, both teams would end up being below average at a bunch of things. It was once possible, through superior knowledge and research, to build an ATD team that was in the upper echelons of the league at literally every position. Those days are long gone, though, and that is a good thing. As a group, our knowledge of the game's history has come a long way, and that has made the margins a lot tighter.

The more data you have, the easier it is to avoid "mistakes".

The research (bios) and discussion is honestly the most valuable part to this entire sub forum. I still have a subscription to newspapers.com and will probably keep it active for years. One of these days I want to create a thread just for awesome pictures of players/coaches I've cut and paste from all eras.

 

[The Macho King]

The more data you have, the easier it is to avoid "mistakes".

The research (bios) and discussion is honestly the most valuable part to this entire sub forum. I still have a subscription to newspapers.com and will probably keep it active for years. One of these days I want to create a thread just for awesome pictures of players/coaches I've cut and paste from all eras.

I found a picture of Ken Reardon in a jail cell after he attacked a fan with a stick.

Going to try and upload that to his bio tomorrow.

 

[nabby12]

Here's the Reardon in Jail photo from Ken Reardon's personal hockey scrapbook: