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ATD 2020 Draft Thread V

It was between Kelly Miller and Fonteyne for me on my last pick. It’s hard to compare role players from a 6 team league to a 21+ team league but they look like similar players.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
It was a blind pick on my part, like most of my recent picks. I stopped keeping track of who was available or not and just go with players that seems in the ballpark..
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Mind if I ask what’s up with all these blind picks these past few weeks? Seems like you’ve kinda thrown in the towel after being the most hyped up to start this thing. It just seems very unlike you. Hope all is well man.
 
seventieslord said:
George Hay and Bill Hajt were!
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The search function has been complete crap for like 2 weeks now, so I never know who is actually available and who isn’t anymore unless I slowly go through the OP.

For example a few days ago I searched Ralph Backstrom and nothing came up, even though I figured surely he couldn’t still be available at this point in the draft. But the search function for this thread resulted in nothing for me, so I got excited thinking he was still on the board only to discover that of course he had been taken haha

But yeah, I stopped using the search function because it’s completely useless for me right now.

Tikal is a player I was thrilled to discover was still available.
 
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Habsfan18 said:
Mind if I ask what’s up with all these blind picks these past few weeks? Seems like you’ve kinda thrown in the towel after being the most hyped up to start this thing. It just seems very unlike you. Hope all is well man.
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I already answered you in PM a few weeks back when you asked me the same question.
 
Habsfan18 said:
You didn’t really answer the question. Like I said, I hope everything’s okay.
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I don't want to discuss this, sorry. I'm fine !

Besides, most of my blind picks were actually pretty good I thought. Skimming the Roster Thread, my teams aren't particularly weak neither.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
I don't want to discuss this, sorry. I'm fine !

Besides, most of my blind picks were actually pretty good I thought. Skimming the Roster Thread, my teams aren't particularly weak neither.
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No, I never said they were weak. That’s not what I was implying. I just noticed that all of your recent picks have been “blind” so I was just making sure all was good.

You don’t owe me an explanation of course. I’ve just had a pretty shitty past few weeks as well so I didn’t know if you were going through some personal stuff as well, especially with this covid situation so I just wanted to wish you well if you were going through a hard time.

We can leave it at that though!
 
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BenchBrawl said:
It was a blind pick on my part, like most of my recent picks. I stopped keeping track of who was available or not and just go with players that seems in the ballpark.

Marc Savard was a great playmaker and a bit of a pest. Took stupid penalties and his career was destroyed by commotions. Not sure how good he was defensively, I feel he was neutral but I have nothing to back that up. I have no opinion as to whether he was better, equal or worse than the centers you took.
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Defensively, he was... your prototypical Atlanta Thrasher :naughty:
 
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Habsfan18 said:
No, I never said they were weak. That’s not what I was implying. I just noticed that all of your recent picks have been “blind” so I was just making sure all was good.

You don’t owe me an explanation of course. I’ve just had a pretty shitty past few weeks as well so I didn’t know if you were going through some personal stuff as well, especially with this covid situation so I just wanted to wish you well if you were going through a hard time.

We can leave it at that though!
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Cheers !
 
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I remember him more from his Boston days. Was he that bad? lol
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I'm sure he looked better in Boston than he did in Atlanta, but the thing is nothing in hockey is in a vaccuum. I doubt he'd have had the point totals he had, if the team wasn't so balls-to-the-wall offensive with zero commitment to their own end.
 
seventieslord said:
I'm sure he looked better in Boston than he did in Atlanta, but the thing is nothing in hockey is in a vaccuum. I doubt he'd have had the point totals he had, if the team wasn't so balls-to-the-wall offensive with zero commitment to their own end.
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Marc Savard finished 3rd, 3rd, 3rd and 6th in assists in the four consecutive years following the lockout (so with peak Joe Thornton as competition), and the last three were in Boston. The first Boston year was under Dave Lewis, the last two under Claude Julien.

So at least in terms of his playmaking he proved to be capable of producing under three different coaches, one of which is known to be very defensive.
 
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2005-2006 (Atlanta under Bob Hartley):

1.Thornton - 96
2.Spezza - 71
3.Savard - 69
3.Jagr - 69
5.B.Richards - 68

2006-2007 (Boston under Dave Lewis):

1.Thornton - 92
2.Crosby - 87
3.Savard - 74
4.H.Sedin - 71
5.Jagr - 66

2007-2008 (Boston under Claude Julien):

1.Thornton - 67
2.Datsyuk - 66
3.Savard - 63
4.H.Sedin - 61
5.Lidstrom - 60

2008-2009 (Boston under Claude Julien):

1.Malkin - 78
2.Crosby - 70
3.Backstrom - 66
3.Getzlaf - 66
5.Datsyuk - 65
6.Savard - 63
 
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I remember an NHL.com article where they made their midseason award picks and suggested Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Savard for their Selke ballot. Which was...interesting. If anything at all, it points toward the effect of playing for Julien and sharing the ice with Chara, though I'd also wonder what dumb stat they were pulling to arrive at their "you'd never guess who we have as a Selke runner up" take. You know, like faceoffs or raw plus minus or something.
 
As for points totals, since this is what @seventieslord talked about, he finished 9th in 2006, 8th in 2007, then missed 8 games in 2008 but was in the same ballpark in terms of pace, then finished 9th again in 2009, so he didn't seem to slow down too much playing for a more defensively-minded coach.
 
All this said, I'm not denying Marc Savard is an empty body type of offensive player, like Pierre Turgeon, Zigmund Palffy, Johnny Gaudreau and all such players.
 
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I saw Peter McNab, my last pick, was listed as a defenseman in the draft thread. Not that I wouldn’t like to have a two times 40 goals scorer defenseman, but I think he fits the bill as a center.
 
Radz pick Steve Chiasson

Going to give love to another unheralded Red Wing of the early nineties, Chiasson was a physical defenseman with good positional awareness and good defensive reads. Not possessing too much in the way of offensive skills as he entered the league, he started to take his conditioning and skill development seriously in the early nineties improving his skating and puck skills to complement his borderline elite shot from the point and started to carry the puck more and do more offensively.

By 1991-1992, Lidstrom and Konstantinov came on board, and though they were generally considered the best defensemen on the team (Lidstrom in the first half Konstantinov in the second half) Chiasson was consistent and had an argument himself. There was no argument the next season, as Chiasson was easily the best defenseman on the team all around, as Konstantinov and especially Lidstrom were having the sophomore slump bad. Coffey came in after the all star break and obviously became the guy while serving as an incredible mentor for all the young defenseman as he’d done before and after, but Chiasson was still the most consistently good physically and defensively on a blueline that was generally criticized for being soft. With Coffey to lead the way, Lidstrom and Konstantinov obviously had more talent and as they began to again show to promise they had in their rookie years, Chiasson I guess was seen as dispensible and traded, which is sad because he was in his prime and was really a very good two way defenseman (Hockey Scouting Report of that time considered him to be maybe most underrated defenseman in the league).

On the less talented teams he played on after Detroit, Chiasson took on even a bigger role playing big minutes in all situations. The teams weren’t nearly as good offensively, but rather played a more defensive and grinding style, which Chiasson did just fine on.

Steve unfortunately passed away in a car accident in 1999, having a lot more hockey to still play and far more importantly, leaving behind a family. He’s another guy that would have been well suited for the late nineties Wings championship teams, wish they could have gotten Vernon without giving him up.

He’s a great fit for the Radz should be able to fit right in when needed in all roles, maybe even filling in when another guy is playing poorly.
 
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I saw Peter McNab, my last pick, was listed as a defenseman in the draft thread. Not that I wouldn’t like to have a two times 40 goals scorer defenseman, but I think he fits the bill as a center.
 
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Radz pick Steve Chiasson

Going to give love to another unheralded Red Wing of the early nineties, Chiasson was a physical defenseman with good positional awareness and good defensive reads. Not possessing too much in the way of offensive skills as he entered the league, he started to take his conditioning and skill development seriously in the early nineties improving his skating and puck skills to complement his borderline elite shot from the point and started to carry the puck more and do more offensively.

By 1991-1992, Lidstrom and Konstantinov came on board, and though they were generally considered the best defensemen on the team (Lidstrom in the first half Konstantinov in the second half) Chiasson was consistent and had an argument himself. There was no argument the next season, as Chiasson was easily the best defenseman on the team all around, as Konstantinov and especially Lidstrom were having the sophomore slump bad. Coffey came in after the all star break and obviously became the guy while serving as an incredible mentor for all the young defenseman as he’d done before and after, but Chiasson was still the most consistently good physically and defensively on a blueline that was generally criticized for being soft. With Coffey to lead the way, Lidstrom and Konstantinov obviously had more talent and as they began to again show to promise they had in their rookie years, Chiasson I guess was seen as dispensible and traded, which is sad because he was in his prime and was really a very good two way defenseman (Hockey Scouting Report of that time considered him to be maybe most underrated defenseman in the league).

On the less talented teams he played on after Detroit, Chiasson took on even a bigger role playing big minutes in all situations. The teams weren’t nearly as good offensively, but rather played a more defensive and grinding style, which Chiasson did just fine on.

Steve unfortunately passed away in a car accident in 1999, having a lot more hockey to still play and far more importantly, leaving behind a family. He’s another guy that would have been well suited for the late nineties Wings championship teams, wish they could have gotten Vernon without giving him up.

He’s a great fit for the Radz should be able to fit right in when needed in all roles, maybe even filling in when another guy is playing poorly.
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This pick is early.

kruezer has until 7:01 EST to pick.

It's only 10ish minutes and kruezer isn't online so you're probably fine. Just be careful when picking to make sure you aren't going early.
 
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