ATD 2020 Draft Thread IV

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Yeah he’s not as physical as you would expect from his size. His skating plays into that too...could be stronger on his skates so he’ll lose out in big collisions. But he has an amazing stick defensively and he uses his body well to protect or win the puck just by angling off opponents.

Somebody please link the Mark Stone crashcheck into Patty Marleau!

(I'm on my phone)

6'4 219 lbs Stone bounced off Marleau. Why? Patty is known to beast it on the stationary bike. That's why the old man can still fly (efficient technique plus training). He is tree trunks. Stone was NOT expecting that! Note how Patty kept the puck after the failed hit and passed, and how angry Stone was at the bench.

At the ATD level, Stone ain't much of a checker. He ain't no Peca or Stevens.
 

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Pittsburgh will grab some value here (IMO) to start the 3rd pairing with. He was a strong offensive player with a lot of big minutes played as a top defender domestically and on the national team with Ragulin. RH shot who can also help on the PP.

Eduard Ivanov, D

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3x Soviet 1st-Team All Star
1x Soviet 2nd-Team All Star
1x Soviet 3rd-Team All Star
1x Olympic Gold Medalist
3x World Championships Gold Medalist
4x Soviet League Champion
Best forward in 1964 Olympics/World Championships as a Defenseman
Soviet Hockey Hall of Fame Member


Hockey handbook (1977):

"Hockey-universalist, equally strong and useful in both defence and attack. Physically gifted, bold, fast and very skilled in puckhandling and physical play. Capable of organizing the attack. Had an accurate long pass and a strong shot from the blue line."


Farid Bektemirov (championat.com):

"Ivanov on the ice was like a locomotive - an athlete of great size and quite muscular, yet able to skate at incredible speeds, unusual for hockey. Opponents tried, to put it mildly, to avoid direct confrontation with this imposing figure, who was capable of winning any struggle and coming out with the puck, in open ice as well as the corners.
In addition, Eduard Georgievich Ivanov had (as is often the case with attacking defenders) a powerful shot, but differed from many of his colleagues in that he also had excellent vision of the ice and amazing accuracy on his passes. For many years, these qualities allowed him to be one of the best offensive defensemen in the country".


Tarasov (1968):

"Again, the organizers of the tournament could not decide which of the Soviet players should receive a special prize. A Salomonic decision was reached: the prize was handed to our team captain Boris Mayorov, so that he could transfer it to the team and we would then decide who our best player was. At the general meeting, the players agreed with the coaches that the prize (Best forward of the tournament) should be given to Eduard Ivanov. (...) As tight-knight and selfless as this team was, Ivanov still stood out with his amazing courage. He willingly threw himself in front of the puck, not just in desperate situations. Constantly looking for an opportunity to show his bravery and selflessness, he didn't spare himself in search of the toughest combat. And he did it all with a smile and inspired the other players with his enthusiasm."


Sologubov: (saying Ivanov was a more modern defender than either Ragulin or Kuzkin)

"The hockey-defenceman has long ceased to just be a destroyer. Now he is a creator, a full-fledged partner of the forwards, someone who strikes the target no worse than the most skilled attackers, sometimes even better. A good defenceman knows how to anticipate the next moves in the development and continuation of an attack and to be back in time for the critical work on defence. (...) If you ask me which of the current defencemen comes closest to the type of a modern defenceman, the first I will name is Eduard Ivanov of CSKA, and – sometimes – xxxxxxx. To a lesser degree, Viktor Kuzkin and Aleksandr Ragulin."


Boris Mayorov: (very high praise for Ivanov's game, citing relentless mentality on the ice and apparently was a great leader by action)

"Every forward can only dream of playing with a defenceman like Ivanov, a daringly courageous player who fought tooth and claw and forced his teammates to fight too. He really knew how to lead a team. I've personally never had a better partner among the defencemen I played with and I can't imagine there will ever be one. Others among our defencemen manage to give the puck to one of the forwards, but that's where it ends. Whether it is convenient for me to receive the pass or not, whether I can develop a further attack from my position – that's no longer his concern: 'Now you've got the puck, do something with it, my job is already done.' Ivanov didn't play like that, it was alien to his entire way of thinking. If the timing was bad for me and I wasn't ready to receive a pass, he would try it on his own and he would try everything, but he would keep the puck to himself and not pass it to me


Occasionally he was a hot head but nothing that seems over the top:

Tarasov (1987):

"In Eduard there was always a youthful passion, a kind of grit and an irrepressible game fantasy. He was everywhere, got involved in physical encounters anywhere on the ice and he didn't let the opponent come to his senses or lift his head up. Even the Canadians remembered their encounters with Ivanov for a long time, as he didn't strip them off the puck with cleverness but with unusually violent temper. He neither spared himself nor the opponent. (...) He didn't concede anything to anyone, he knew how to tame an opponent like no-one else. However, his brakes didn't always work: unfortunately, he would sometimes start a scrimmage himself."


Vyacheslav Starshinov:

"Eduard was gritty, impulsive and explosive. He was passionate, maybe too passionate. He was a fighter to the bone."
 

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Mark Stone makes the ATD! I did not expect that. Time flies.

I loved watching him on the Sens. I checked out on them after he was traded.

He’s special defensively but not a traditional checker. Just very high IQ in his anticipation and ability to force turnovers, which is maybe more valuable offensively than defensively. He’s not just a system player defensively as he likes to gamble for the turnover but his instincts are good and I think Bowman would see that and let him do his thing.

Offensively he’s a terrific passer and can make any line work. He reminds me of Daniel Alfredsson in that way—he can play with anyone.

Thanks for the additionnal information. I saw Stone play here and there in MTL vs. OTT, always liked his game.

Felt he was an ideal 3rd line RW among what was left, and I had Pacioretty too and they seem to have chemistry (but I haven't saw it much with my own eyes).

I like the Alfredsson comparison.
 

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Yeah he’s not as physical as you would expect from his size. His skating plays into that too...could be stronger on his skates so he’ll lose out in big collisions. But he has an amazing stick defensively and he uses his body well to protect or win the puck just by angling off opponents.

Doesn't go to the net either. There was a study of the top lines in the league and nobody on that Vegas line goes to the net, that's one of their weaknesses - they do a lot of other things well of course. Stone and Patch have size but won't use it.
 

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I'll take the defenseman I was talking about earlier.... Jack Portland

At 6'2" and 200 lbs in the 1930s, he was briefly the largest player in the league. He was best known for his rugged defensive play. With an all-star record of 6th, 7th, 8th, I think he's been one of the better defensive defensemen for a bit now.
 
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Pittsburgh will finish our blueline with one of the very few who could challenge Pietrangelo as the best PK'er from the past 10 years that were at least top pairing defenders for more than a few years.

Elite shot blocker.

He's a RH shot who will play nicely beside Ivanov, the primary puck mover of the pair.

He played a bigger chunk of the PK for the Rangers, than many Dmen already selected in the past few rounds and his teams killed penalties 16% above the league average.

Peaked with a 6th place Norris finish in 2011-12.

Since the NHL started tracking blocked shots in 2005, this player is 2nd all time, just 44 behind Brent Seabrook but in 144 fewer games!

He also had 2044 hits in 927 games.

Just an absolute warrior of a player. Tough as nails. Physical. Elite shot blocker, solid hitter, strong defensively and willing to put it all on the line for the team an made a really nice career out of doing that consistently. Love players like that to fill in the super depth positions.

Please welcome.

Dan Girardi, D

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Former Lightning defenseman Dan Girardi announces retirement
A native of Welland, Ontario, Girardi played in 927 career NHL games during his career with the New York Rangers and the Lightning. He scored 56 goals and recorded 264 points along with a plus-78 rating. Dating back to when the league began counting blocked shots for the 2005-06 season, no other player has been credited with more than Girardi's 1,954 (Seabrook actually is #1 with 1998 but in 144 more games). Overall, he helped his team to the Stanley Cup Playoffs in a remarkable 12 of his 13 seasons in the NHL, including both in Tampa Bay. Girardi played in four Eastern Conference Finals and one Stanley Cup Final. He ranks 30th all-time for NHL playoff games played by defensemen with 143


SCOUTING REPORT - SportsForecaster
Owned good size, excellent shot-blocking ability and solid defensive awareness. Could log an impressive amount of minutes. A durable defender, he played through injuries regularly. Had great leadership qualities. Lacked consistency on offense and in the hitting department, which prevented him from raising his game to a higher level. His overall puck skills eroded over time.
Long Range Potential:Solid, fearless defenseman and leader.
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Penalty Kill - Defensemen

Alex Pietrangelo53955%0.841
Borje Salming114855%1.091
Chris Pronger116755%0.911
Denis Potvin106053%0.822
Harry Howell93253%1.051
Rod Langway99453%0.831
Adam Foote115453%0.991
Dave Burrows72453%1.051
Carol Vadnais108753%0.981
Moose Vasko60053%1.001
Guy Lapointe88453%0.761
Duncan Keith91352%0.952
Dan Girardi78852%0.842
Nicklas Lidstrom156452%0.812
Craig Ludwig125651%0.930
Marc-Edouard Vlasic81251%0.951
Kevin Hatcher115751%0.921
58051%1.070
John Carlson52651%1.011
Rob Blake127050%0.991
Brian Leetch120549%1.031
Terry Harper106649%0.900
Mike Ramsey107049%0.881
Leo Boivin72848%1.011
Ken Morrow55048%0.870
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Not much of a puck mover, but a decent all-time draft 3rd pairing defensive defenseman and pker.

Thanks Van.

Just need him to play inspired but steady #6 minutes and I think he's the type who would do whatever was needed. Plus looking at the standard options you normally see this time of the draft, I figured I'd shed a little light on Girardi. His resume is plenty good enough for a bottom pairing defensive dman IMO. Pretty sure he's the all time leader in playoff games played by a dman for the Rangers at 122.

Gave OV and the Caps fits many times in some really awesome playoff battles. Man those Caps-Rags series between like 2009 and 2015 were fantastic. Really good hockey played. Girardi was usually on the top pairing with McDonagh and one other guy.
 
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