At 6th Overall the Red Wings Take Filip Zadina

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

It was written like a fan who just got a thesaurus for Christmas.
Go back and read it.
It's ridiculous. You'd think we drafted Patrick Kane.
So much for "evidence."

1. He's not a Red Wings fan, he analyses and assesses prospects.
2. It's subjective, but he uses video evidence to try and support his well-argued opinions.
3. I see nothing wrong with his article.

 

[SCD]

1. He's not a Red Wings fan, he analyses and assesses prospects.
2. It's subjective, but he uses video evidence to try and support his well-argued opinions.
3. I see nothing wrong with his article.

But it contradicts VLAF's narrative.

 

[izlez]

1. He's not a Red Wings fan, he analyses and assesses prospects.
2. It's subjective, but he uses video evidence to try and support his well-argued opinions.
3. I see nothing wrong with his article.

Kind of funny, but last year I used video evidence of Zadina to support my argument that he wasn't playing as well as the stats showed. I was called "petty" for "cherry-picking" certain plays.

Also, his article states "Scoring goals is Zadina's game. While he didn't do much of it last season (16 goals), every other year, Zadina's filled the net."
"Every other year" includes 44 the prior and 1 the year before that. So there is SOMETHING wrong with the article

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Kind of funny, but last year I used video evidence of Zadina to support my argument that he wasn't playing as well as the stats showed. I was called "petty" for "cherry-picking" certain plays.

Also, his article states "Scoring goals is Zadina's game. While he didn't do much of it last season (16 goals), every other year, Zadina's filled the net."
"Every other year" includes 44 the prior and 1 the year before that. So there is SOMETHING wrong with the article

Strange interpretation. "Because I WAS scrutinized for my video reviews, I will scrutinize THESE video reviews."

Those two quotes are objectively accurate? Going back to 2014, scoring has been the key component to Zadina's overall game and this is true of the earliest scouting reports pertaining to him. It's also true he didn't score a lot last year.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with this article.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Kind of funny, but last year I used video evidence of Zadina to support my argument that he wasn't playing as well as the stats showed. I was called "petty" for "cherry-picking" certain plays.

Also, his article states "Scoring goals is Zadina's game. While he didn't do much of it last season (16 goals), every other year, Zadina's filled the net."
"Every other year" includes 44 the prior and 1 the year before that. So there is SOMETHING wrong with the article

I'm sorry, are you isolating the 25 games he played for a Czech men's team during his 16/17 year old season and using that as your proof? Try looking at his full regular season stats and where he played to add context. He's played underage, some times as a double or triple underager, in pretty much every situation besides for being in the Q in his draft year. He has scored goals at a pretty decent clip at every stage where he wasn't drastically underaged until this year in the AHL, and even then I could argue he was underaged.

2016-17 (16/17 years old):
Men's: 1 in 25
U20: 10 in 25
U18: 23 in 27

2017-18 (17/18 years old):
Q: 44 in 57
U20: 16 in 22
Men's: 1 in 5

There's nothing wrong with the way the article frames Zadina's performance, but there is an obvious issue with how you like to partially frame your "facts".

 

[BinCookin]

All I know was I have personally been hoping for a little more from Zadina. But this is why you do not assume things when it comes to prospects. No one is garaunteed to be an NHL player. This is why i very much take everything said about prospects with a grain of salt. Hopefully Zadina does well this year in GR. I can tell by watching him, he is not NHL ready now.

 

[Mister Ed]

From what I've seen during the NHL pre-season games, he doesn't look NHL ready. He's not confident with the puck, he doesn't look for teamates and it looks like he has some work to do in Grand Rapids. Good thing that Grand Rapids looks to be stacked and should give him a confidence boost.

I haven't given up on him yet, Mantha played 2 years in GR and AA played parts of two years, too.

 

[raymond23]

I have been very disappointed with him this preseason and I am one of his bigger supporters.

He looks slow, weak and his head is always down. There’s a lot of talent there but it’s obviously going to take more time than we would’ve hoped.

 

[MBH]

1. He's not a Red Wings fan, he analyses and assesses prospects.
2. It's subjective, but he uses video evidence to try and support his well-argued opinions.
3. I see nothing wrong with his article.

Just because he's not a Wings fan doesn't mean he has some kind of agenda.
Out of curiosity, I wonder how many of this guy's scouting reports downgrade well known players?

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Just because he's not a Wings fan doesn't mean he has some kind of agenda.
Out of curiosity, I wonder how many of this guy's scouting reports downgrade well known players?

I think it’s pretty inconsequential whether or not he tears players down or not? That’s not the point.

 

[The Red Line]

Not worried yet, but definitely wanted to see more by now. We're so used to the absurdly slow development path that is just the norm for Red Wings prospects, but I think we were all hoping that Zadina might be on a faster track. Ah well.

 

[Tetsuo]

I think he's right on track to be honest. Prospects' developmental curve tend to be so all over the place that they are essentially random. I have liked his overall game and effort level, he's at the point where his next step is in his decision making in the offensive zone. I would like him to be a little more confident in himself, he has a deadly release but he isn't trusting it. These things take time. He looks light years better than Mantha at this stage so all is not lost.

 

[Henkka]

Pronman: Re-ranking the NHL Draft Class of 2018

Zadina 10th in Pronman's 2018 draft re-draft.

Slipping a bit, but not too harsh.

Top4 like it was.

5. Quinn Hughes - VAN
6. Barret Hayton - ARI
7. Grigori Denisenko - FLO
------------------------ talent drop
8. Noah Dobsom - NYI
9. Vitali Kravtsov - NYR
10. Filip Zadina - DET
11. Adam Boqvist - CHI
12. Evan Bouchard - EDM
13. Joel Farabee - PHI
------------------------ talent drop

 

[Hen Kolland]

Pronman: Re-ranking the NHL Draft Class of 2018

Zadina 10th in Pronman's 2018 draft re-draft.

Slipping a bit, but not too harsh.

Top4 like it was.

5. Quinn Hughes - VAN
6. Barret Hayton - ARI
7. Grigori Denisenko - FLO
------------------------ talent drop
8. Noah Dobsom - NYI
9. Vitali Kravtsov - NYR
10. Filip Zadina - DET
11. Adam Boqvist - CHI
12. Evan Bouchard - EDM
13. Joel Farabee - PHI
------------------------ talent drop

And for those interested about Veleno, he dropped from #11 to #22.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Isn't that what the ignore function does?

Then don't complain when you don't know the context of a discussion.....

 

[deca guard]

And for those interested about Veleno, he dropped from #11 to #22.

it should be exact opposite = zadina 22 jv 11

 

[Lil Bert]

I don't see the game breaking talent in Zadina that people are projecting. Watching him in the preseason and prospect tournament have left me disappointed. Unless he has a lot of underlying skills that will take a few years to kick in, I don't like what I see. His biggest strength is supposed to be his shot but he consistently shoots right into the goalies stomach. Positioning is terrible and hockey IQ is uninspiring. Even watching highlight reels are boring. IDK how that happens.
Hopefully he turns out to be elite of course but I'm not seeing it

 

[vladdy16]

Just because he's not a Wings fan doesn't mean he has some kind of agenda.
Out of curiosity, I wonder how many of this guy's scouting reports downgrade well known players?

Notice how you bring up a point('sounds like a fan') to illicit an innocuous response('he's not a fan'), only to frame it as if the innocuous response was central to the other posters argument as you refute it?

That's what people mean by "strawman argument".

 

[Dotter]

He's 19 and isn't NHL ready yet. I'd be worried if he was 23/24. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

It's okay for the kids to develop.

 

[MBH]

Notice how you bring up a point('sounds like a fan') to illicit an innocuous response('he's not a fan'), only to frame it as if the innocuous response was central to the other posters argument as you refute it?

That's what people mean by "strawman argument".

Writer who pander to sports fans ... or to the athletes/coaches/GMs they cover... often write like fans even if they aren't necessarily fans... they do so for their own reasons.

There's nothing strawman about it.

Read the article. It reads like it was written by a slappy.

It's absolutely absurd given what we've watched over the last 13-14 months.

 

[MBH]

Pronman: Re-ranking the NHL Draft Class of 2018

Zadina 10th in Pronman's 2018 draft re-draft.

Slipping a bit, but not too harsh.

Top4 like it was.

5. Quinn Hughes - VAN
6. Barret Hayton - ARI
7. Grigori Denisenko - FLO
------------------------ talent drop
8. Noah Dobsom - NYI
9. Vitali Kravtsov - NYR
10. Filip Zadina - DET
11. Adam Boqvist - CHI
12. Evan Bouchard - EDM
13. Joel Farabee - PHI
------------------------ talent drop

I could not take Zadina ahead of Boqvist or Bouchard at the moment.
Boqvist looks terrific every time I check in on him. Bouchard is coming along nicely.

 

[MBH]

And for those interested about Veleno, he dropped from #11 to #22.

How weird is that.
Dude ranks Veleno 11th after a tough year.
Veleno falls to 30.
Veleno rebounds for a great year.
He falls to 22 in Pronman's ranking.
Kind of hard to see the likelihood of that logic.

 

[Gniwder]

He's 19 and isn't NHL ready yet. I'd be worried if he was 23/24. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

It's okay for the kids to develop.

High expectation because he was 6OA and projected to go even earlier.

I said all summer that he was headed to GR this season and got flamed on every post.

 

[deca guard]

High expectation because he was 6OA and projected to go even earlier.

I said all summer that he was headed to GR this season and got flamed on every post.

the thing is its been a year and he looks no better even just in camp

 

[Dotter]

the thing is its been a year and he looks no better even just in camp

Yup, its only been a year and his 200 foot game already looks better. Primarily, like other kids in his draft class, needs to get stronger.

I'm not worried about his offense.