At 6th Overall the Red Wings Take Filip Zadina

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Now Halifax is saying he was not loaned from Pardubice, so he has to go back to Halifax if he doesn't make the Wings. Cam Russell being the Halifax GM.

Good journalism there HSJ.

 

[obey86]

Now Halifax is saying he was not loaned from Pardubice, so he has to go back to Halifax if he doesn't make the Wings. Cam Russell being the Halifax GM.

I wonder why the Red Wings would think that then? That's what they apparently told HSJ.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Good journalism there HSJ.

She got it from Zadina and the Red Wings... I guess we will find out where this goes now. But it was the Detroit Red Wings running that narrative. I don't like HSJ much, frankly she does whatever the team tells her to do in my opinion so on something like this they are to blame.

 

[obey86]

Good journalism there HSJ.

I'd say it's more on the Red Wings then HSJ. She was just reporting what they told her.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Grand Rapids is exactly where he needs to start the season. After 25-30 games and he is performing at a high rate, the Wings should then give him a look. If not let him continue to develop in GR. No reason to rush this kid.

Burning a year off the ELC is irrelevant to the Red Wings future. As of right now we are hoping for Zadina to be a piece of our core. Its the players we draft around that future core that we will need to keep cost controlled. If anything burning his ELC sooner would possibly allow us to sign him at a lower long-term rate.

I think it depends on how he does in camp and the preseason but it seems Holland like you has already determined where he should be. It seems that he may not be eligible to play for the Griffs after all.

 

[NickH8]

Now Halifax is saying he was not loaned from Pardubice, so he has to go back to Halifax if he doesn't make the Wings. Cam Russell being the Halifax GM.

That's what I thought. Helene St. James being an idiot again.

 

[Ezekial]

I think I could do a better job than HSJ, but this isn't her fault. This all started when Darren Eilot started talking about Zadina and the Wings saying he was on loan (by oversimplifying it with "he's european"), so she wasn't just pulling shit out of thin air.

 

[Goalie guy]

I don't think there was ever any chance he made the Wings this year. He proved that with Frk and having Witter here and bringing back Vanek. Other than pre season I dont think we see Rass either, and deep down most of you know it but refuse to say it. Prove me wrong Kenny.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I think I could do a better job than HSJ, but this isn't her fault. This all started when Darren Eilot started talking about Zadina and the Wings saying he was on loan (by oversimplifying it with "he's european"), so she wasn't just pulling **** out of thin air.

Zadina also wasn't always Halifax property, they might find out when the acquired him he was actually drafted under loan terms. I mean I doubt it. But it wasn't just the Wings saying that, Zadina also reportedly believes he was loaned over from the Czech Republic if I remember right.

We know somebody is wrong. Either the Wings or Halifax.

 

[lhsgolf19]

 

[Ezekial]

Welp, figures. I would've thought that type of thing would've been known before the draft.

 

[Inspiration]

Not being able to go to the AHL actually makes a big difference. The Red Wings have $9.1mm of cap space and can put Franzen ($3.8mm) on LTIR. Larkin, Mantha, and Athanasiou's RFA contracts may use up most of that space, putting Detroit in a cap crunch with two skater spots left to fill. They may waive Frk and/or Witkowski, but it's pretty clear that it could be a quite the juggling act to fit everyone under the cap. If they could put Zadina in the AHL to start the year, that would give them a little more flexibility to allow for an injury or trade to free up cap space, however now they need to somehow fit both Rasmussen and Zadina on the opening night roster while still being cap compliant (or otherwise lose one or both to the QMJHL for the full season).

 

[chances14]

i hate st james as much as the next poster, but this was actually the wings management's screw up. She was just relaying back what she was being told by management

 

[ChadS]

If they think he's not ready for the NHL, they should find him a good team in Europe for a year. Playing against kids will do nothing for his development. It's the equivalent of sending Larkin to the OHL back in 2015 instead of him playing with the Wings.

 

[Bench]

Not being able to go to the AHL actually makes a big difference. The Red Wings have $9.1mm of cap space and can put Franzen ($3.8mm) on LTIR. Larkin, Mantha, and Athanasiou's RFA contracts may use up most of that space, putting Detroit in a cap crunch with two skater spots left to fill. They may waive Frk and/or Witkowski, but it's pretty clear that it could be a quite the juggling act to fit everyone under the cap. If they could put Zadina in the AHL to start the year, that would give them a little more flexibility to allow for an injury or trade to free up cap space, however now they need to somehow fit both Rasmussen and Zadina on the opening night roster while still being cap compliant (or otherwise lose one or both to the QMJHL for the full season).

Unreal this team still has to juggle the cap to fit their blue chip prospects onto the roster.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Unreal this team still has to juggle the cap to fit their blue chip prospects onto the roster.

It really shouldn't be an issue. Can pretty much expect Frk/Witkowski to be waived just to clear the roster spot anyway so that clears the cap space as well.

 

[Henkka]

That's what I thought. Helene St. James being an idiot again.

I hope RW management just fooled her, be leaking a false rumour.

 

[newfy]

That's what I thought. Helene St. James being an idiot again.

I wouldnt be so quick to say shes an idiot. He might have to go back to Halifax, but really all I've read is that Cam Russellhas said Halifax wants him back if hes not in Detroit. Well, no shit they want him back. Theyre a mem cup contender with him and hes probably the best player in the CHL if he goes back. Halifax will lose out on a development fee if it comes out that he is actually loaned (it will go to Pardubice).

Just because Halifax's GM says they want him back doesnt change the fact that he might've in fact been loaned and that the wings have every right to say "pound salt, we dont care what you want, he was loaned and is not forced to go back under the transfer agreement".

Everyone is pretty quick to judge HSJ, and say the wings are dumb or whatever they want to say but this has happened in the past. Julius Honka and Alex Nylander being examples. Zadina is also listed as loaned on eliteprospects. It seems like a lot of posturing is going on because money and a really good player are involved. I would guess the wings management is digging deep into that transfer agreement right now.

Now he may very well be Moosehead property and have to go back there if hes not in the NHL (I tihnk he'll make it anyways) but its not clear cut yet so people need to chill a bit because clearly all the facts arent out, and listening to the GM of a junior team isnt the best idea to take for gospel (the IIHF decides if he was loaned or not, not Hlaifax' GM)

 

[Ezekial]

Everyone is pretty quick to judge HSJ, and say the wings are dumb or whatever they want to say but this has happened in the past. Julius Honka and Alex Nylander being examples. Zadina is also listed as loaned on eliteprospects. It seems like a lot of posturing is going on because money and a really good player are involved. I would guess the wings management is digging deep into that transfer agreement right now.

He wasn't a week ago.

 

[newfy]

He wasn't a week ago.

I cant tell you if he was for sure or not, but he definitely is now and it says its confirmed. Same with Honka. I checked some other players that were drafted in the CHL import draft and they did not all say loaned. So its obviously a very specific situaiton

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

What about signing him and then loaning him to a European league team?

(if he doesn't make the team)

 

[GrGriffins]

2017 Article in Czech Rep (translated) gives a different story on Zadina "international transfer".


Filip Zadina goes overseas
19.07.2017 | Jan Hrabal
PARDUBICE - The Dynamo Pardubice Ice Hockey Team has met the demands of its striker Filip Zadin and confirmed his international card transfer to Canada. Pardubický pupil can thus work in the next year at the Halifax Mooseheads.

"Philip is our offspring who has been given space in our first team to develop his extraordinary talent. At the age of sixteen he joined the Tipsport Extreme and is one of the most talented players of his year, "said Dynamo General Manager Dušan Salfický, with the Pardubice club releasing Filip Zadin so far only for the 2017/2018 season.
Last season, Filip Zadina entered 29 matches for A, scored two goals and scored the same number of recordings. "We wish good luck to Philip. Given the situation, it was the most beneficial for both sides to release. A breakthrough year is waiting for him to decide on his NHL career he wants every hockey player. That's why we allowed him to go for his dream. If he can get a contract in the NHL, we will be as proud of him as the next adolescent of our youth system, which has reached the highest hockey score. Filip remains Dynama Pardubice player. In our country the door is obviously open, I believe it will come back once and the experience will be used in our team, "added the head of the Pardubice club.

 

[Mister Ed]

My gut says he'll get the 9-game treatment and it will get sorted out accordingly. He'll play in Grand Rapids (As Newfy said, he's listed as on loan on EliteProspect, they do their homework) and play in the WJC, then get called up in February. If he's stays with the Red Wings all year, that would be awesome, but I don't see it happening unless they trade AA or Nyquist.

 

[Henkka]

What I remember, when Barkov was drafted, 1st round picks drafted from Europe have to go back to European teams, if not playing in NHL.

But 2nd-7th round picks could be sent to AHL.

So in Zadina's case, this AHL option should be totally out. If he is not going to Halifax, and somehow determined as Pardubice property, he should go to Pardubice.

I was then at 2014 hoping that Florida would not put Barkov on their NHL roster and then he would return to Tappara for 1 year. But he was so damn good to never return. Already NHLr.

 

[Wooren]

What I remember, when Barkov was drafted, 1st round picks drafted from Europe have to go back to European teams, if not playing in NHL.

But 2nd-7th round picks could be sent to AHL.

So in Zadina's case, this AHL option should be totally out. If he is not going to Halifax, and somehow determined as Pardubice property, he should go to Pardubice.

I was then at 2014 hoping that Florida would not put Barkov on their NHL roster and then he would return to Tappara for 1 year. But he was so damn good to never return. Already NHLr.

Pastrnak and Chytil went to the AHL after spending their draft year in Europe.

If Zadina is indeed not AHL eligible and not NHL ready either, he should be loaned to some European team. Another year in the Q won't give him much.