Just like Kotkaniemi, Kristian has only played 3 games so it's too early to say
edit. Kotkaniemi played tonight so he is at 4 gp now
Prospect Info: At 24th Overall the Jets Select Kristian Vesalainen
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Just like Kotkaniemi, Kristian has only played 3 games so it's too early to say
edit. Kotkaniemi played tonight so he is at 4 gp now
Of course it's too early, but it's a good sign that he's in the mix early, and reasonable to temper expectations for an 18-year old and his role and production in Liiga.
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Disappointing? I don't think so...well maybe a little, depending on what you're expecting from him. The Jets can take their time, let him find his game and mature. He did throw a pretty nasty hit though.
Disappointing from a Jets fans perspective since a bigger role in his team would help his development and make the game more enjoyable for me
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Disappointing from a Jets fans perspective since a bigger role in his team would help his development and make the game more enjoyable for me
playing in a mens league in the D+1 season I am not all that worried. He is a late first round pick too so my expectations are always going to be grounded with Kristian. Two or three seasons from now if a 24th overall pick can join the Jets and help out anywhere in the top 9 that would be a win.
I hope I didn't give the impression that I'm worried about him. Gotta be patient with prospects, no matter where they're drafted. Just not very fun to watch Liiga games to see him and he ends up playing 10mins
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Yea I remember not really even thinking much about the Roslovic pick and was pleasantly surprised when he panned out to be a really solid prospect.
Here is the list of players that have been drafted at #24. There are a couple of gems but on balance its much more miss than hit.
2013 Hunter Shinkaruk C/RW Medicine Hat (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
2012 Malcolm Subban G Belleville (OHL) Boston Bruins
2011 Matt Puempel LW Peterborough (OHL) Ottawa Senators
2010 Kevin Hayes RW Nobles (MN-HS) Chicago Blackhawks
2009 Marcus Johnsson LW Farjestads (Swe) Washington Capitals
2008 Mattias Tedenby LW HV71 (Swe) New Jersey Devils
2007 Mikael Backlund C Vasteras (Swe.2) Calgary Flames
2006 Dennis Persson D Swe Jr. Buffalo Sabres
2005 T.J. Oshie C Warroad H.S. (Minn.) St. Louis Blues
2004 Kris Chucko LW Salmon Arm Silverbacks (BCHL) Calgary Flames
2003 Mike Richards C Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Philadelphia Flyers
2002 Alexander Steen C Vastra Frolunda HC Goteborg (SEL) Toronto Maple Leafs
2001 Lukas Krajicek D Peterborough Petes (OHL) Florida Panthers
2000 Brad Boyes C Erie Otters (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1999 Luca Cereda C Ambri-Piotta (SwissA) Toronto Maple Leafs
1998 Christian Backman D Vastra Frolunda (Sweden) St. Louis Blues
1997 Jean-Francois Damphous G Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL) New Jersey Devils
1996 Daniel Briere C Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL) Phoenix Coyotes
1995 Alexei Morozov RW Krylja Sovetov (Russia) Pittsburgh Penguins
1994 Chris Wells C Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) Pittsburgh Penguins
1993 Eric Lecompte LW Hull Olympiques (QMJHL) Chicago Blackhawks
1992 Peter Ferraro RW Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL) New York Rangers
1991 Rene Corbet LW Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1990 David Harlock D U. of Michigan (NCAA) New Jersey Devils
1989 Kent Manderville C Notre Dame (SJHL) Calgary Flames
1988 Stephane Fiset G Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1987 Rob Murphy C Laval Titan (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
1986 Todd Copeland D Belmont Hill H.S. (Mass.) New Jersey Devils
1985 Sean Burke G Toronto Marlboros (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1984 Brian Wilks F Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1983 Shawn Evans D Peterborough Petes (OHL) New Jersey Devils
1981 Gary Yaremchuk F Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1980 Normand Rochefort D Quebec Remparts (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/24th-overall/240509/
Player evaluation has improved drastically in the last decade so I don't think the amount of wasted 1st round picks is that high anymore.
Post lockout:
Max Jones - Too early to tell
Travis Konecny - Too early to tell, but looks good
Jared McCann - Too early to tell, but looks good
Hunter Shinkaruk - Too early to tell, but doesn't look good
Malcolm Subban - Still too early to tell. The few NHL performances are not very good tho
Matt Puempel - Miss
Kevin Hayes - Hit
Marcus Johnsson - Hit
Mattias Tedenby - Miss
Mikael Backlund - Hit
Dennis Persson - Miss
T.J Oshie - Hit
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It is pretty clear at this point that this kid was drafted only because he has "laine" spelled in the last name, and with Laine you know you can't go wrong. The only question is, why did the other 23 teams not notice this?
I've tried watching some of his games but it becomes too frustrating not seeing him on the ice due to the lack of PK/PP time and short usage.
I've tried watching some of his games but it becomes too frustrating not seeing him on the ice due to the lack of PK/PP time and short usage.
True, but easier than "Patrik Laine".
To pronounce Vesalainen you have to first know how to say "Vesa", then just say "Laine" as you already can and an N to the end. Just put all of those together.
"Ve" is pronounced like "we" in "well" and "sa" is pronounced like "so" in "something". "Laine" is pronounced exactly like "Laine" you already know, and "n" is always the same "n", also in Canada.
There are 4 syllables in Ve-sa-lai-nen, just like in "Pat-rik Lai-ne".
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Not sure why we picked him.. With guys like Tolvanen and Kostin on the table still. Would've rather just gone with the best talent possible. Never quite seen top 6 potential in him.
Hopefully he proves me wrong.
Hopefully he proves me wrong.
The Jets' scouts obviously thought he was a better prospect, and they probably weren't alone in that assessment. It's much too early to assess that assessment. I haven't seen him that much, but his performance at the U-18 was outstanding and tantalizing. He looked like much better than a bottom-6 talent. Whether he reaches that potential is uncertain, with lots of variables that will influence his trajectory.
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He seems to get minutes just fine, a little less when there's a lot of PP/PK
his stats for each game: http://liiga.fi/pelaajat/29885743/vesalainen-kristian/ottelu-ottelulta
(the game where he got only 10 min was a 109 penalty minutes type of game..
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To be fair, no one here other than one poster (puck_stoppa) wanted us to draft Tolvanen. Most here were not keen on Tolvanen with our 1st. Props to Tolvanen for proving his doubters (including myself) wrong.
He seems to get minutes just fine, a little less when there's a lot of PP/PK
his stats for each game: http://liiga.fi/pelaajat/29885743/vesalainen-kristian/ottelu-ottelulta
(the game where he got only 10 min was a 109 penalty minutes type of game..
You are right I double counted the Karpat game and thought there had been multiple games where he played just 10 mins
I was quite high on Vesalainen pre-draft, suggesting that he might even be an option at #13. I won't abandon that perspective at this point.
Of course right now I would take Tolvanen over Vesalainen any time really. But it's easy to say with hindsight. Maybe I would have rather picked Tolvanen even earlier, but it would have been anyway a difficult decision then. They had that much more comparable careers before. But this season Tolvanen has been absolutely amazing, while Vesalainen has been ok, but not really special. So can't really blame the Jets scouting, they couldn't know the development Tolvanen would have coming to this season, as didn't any other team either.
I do still have a pretty good feeling about Vesalainen, although I might not see real star potential in him. But he could maybe become a solid middle six NHL-player in a few years, if everything goes right for him.
I do still have a pretty good feeling about Vesalainen, although I might not see real star potential in him. But he could maybe become a solid middle six NHL-player in a few years, if everything goes right for him.
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I, for one, would have gone with Oettinger at 24, given what we had available for us. It is important, however, to keep in mind that literally everyone who I wanted us to select there pre-draft went within eight spots before us (basically, every half-decent C and D prospect that could realistically have been there), so it is not like I was very keen on Oettinger. Vesalainen was not a bad choice by any means, even if the need for wingers is (and was) not there. I guess you could say the same about Tolvanen too, though.
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How do you know they didn't go with the best talent? He destroyed the U18's. He was ranked higher on a lot of boards than Kostin or Tolvanen.
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