Asset Value - where does Nick Suzuki rank in the NHL?
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What is with Montreal fans being obsessed with their players trade value league wide lol.
He isn't top 10 for centers alone. I get he is young and has a good contract, but that doesn't make him more valuable then say, MacKinnon, or other guys that are just way better even though they are older. Or players like Matthews that are having a worse year, but who would trade Matthews for Suzuki?
Then younger guys on ELC, like Bedard, Carlsson, Celebrini, Fantilli. Would any fans from those teams trade their guy for Suzuki? I wouldn't as a Ducks fan.
He isn't top 10 for centers alone. I get he is young and has a good contract, but that doesn't make him more valuable then say, MacKinnon, or other guys that are just way better even though they are older. Or players like Matthews that are having a worse year, but who would trade Matthews for Suzuki?
Then younger guys on ELC, like Bedard, Carlsson, Celebrini, Fantilli. Would any fans from those teams trade their guy for Suzuki? I wouldn't as a Ducks fan.
Sasha Orlov
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What is it with people complaining about people wanting to discuss hockey players on a hockey forum?
Carlsson and Fantilli are not getting you a signed Suzuki jersey let alone Suzuki himself
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Top 20. Good contract with tons of term left. Scoring as a top 5 center this year. No younger forwards than him are outscoring him leaguewide. Paid less than most of his contemporaries. Definition of a character guy who has the "clutch" factor. Leading iron man in the NHL since Suter and Burns are both one foot into retirement and being iced for lack of better options. Never missed a game in his career. Elite defensively too.
Basically he's the new Datsyuk.
Basically he's the new Datsyuk.
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Ezpz
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You're right Datsyuk was rarely a top 5 scoring center. Usually in that 8-10 range save for his absolute peak when he was 4-5 years older than Nick Suzuki is now. At Nick's age he was still a 2C/fringe 1B.
Hey! Leo Carlsson is going to be really good.
In 4-5 years i could easily see him as an 80-90 point….two way force….. but also a leader…. The kind of guy you put a letter on his jersey
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Which lit a fire on him. Since the 4 nations return - in 22 games - he's #1 in the league for points per game, tied with Kucherov. But with more goals, and a better +/-.
He's also 2nd in the league since the 4 nations in +/- at +16. Behind his own teammate - Lane Hutson, whose #1 with a +19.
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Datsyuk was widely regarded as being a top 5 forward in the league in his prime. He sat right behind the Big 3.
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That's where i land somewhere between 25ish and 50ish with the contracts, ages ect and everything going forward makes it a WAG (wild ass guess at best) as there is alot of project versus value with younger guys coming up and older guys who are simply better.
Some players are certainly better but the whole great contract doesn't work in getting the best player in the league + Suzuki to equal say McDavid in terms of value and I find these types of arguments not holding very much water.
TheNewEra
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Made a list without elcs (also not counting Crosby/Ovie)
Anaheim - N/A
Boston - Pasta,McAvoy
Buffalo - Dahlin, Tage, (Can maybe argue Tuch)
Calgary - N/A (not sure if Wolf counts here)
Carolina - Slavin, Jarvis, Aho
Chicago - N/A
Colorado - Mack, Necas, Makar
Columbus - Werenski
Dallas - Hintz, Heiskanen, Harley, Oettinger
Detroit - N/A
Edmonton - McDavid, Draisaitl
Florida - Barkov, M. Tkachuk, Forsling
LA - Byfield, Anderson
Minnesota - Kaprizov (boldy is arguable imo)
Nashville - N/A
NJ - J. Hughes, Bratt, (Hischer is arguable)
NYI - Dobson (this probably changes when he gets extended)
NYR - Fox
Ottawa - B. Tkachuk, Stutzle, Sanderson
Philly - N/A
Pittsburgh - N/A
San Jose - N/A
Seattle - N/A
STL - Kyrou, Thomas
Tampa - Kucherov, Point
Toronto - Marner, Matthews
Utah - Keller
Van - Q. Hughes
Vegas - Eichel
Washington - Strome (if you believe his production isnt a fluke, definitely arguable)
Winnipeg - Connor, Schiefle
Puts him top 40 roughly (im sure more players can be argued against), which is still solid. He is still improving so he probably jumps another 5-10 spots relatively soon (along with some of these players getting extensions/new deals and becoming less valuable). I also didnt count caufield but there is a solid chance he hits 40 goals this year and a goal scorer of that level is probably more valuable, at least imo
Anaheim - N/A
Boston - Pasta,McAvoy
Buffalo - Dahlin, Tage, (Can maybe argue Tuch)
Calgary - N/A (not sure if Wolf counts here)
Carolina - Slavin, Jarvis, Aho
Chicago - N/A
Colorado - Mack, Necas, Makar
Columbus - Werenski
Dallas - Hintz, Heiskanen, Harley, Oettinger
Detroit - N/A
Edmonton - McDavid, Draisaitl
Florida - Barkov, M. Tkachuk, Forsling
LA - Byfield, Anderson
Minnesota - Kaprizov (boldy is arguable imo)
Nashville - N/A
NJ - J. Hughes, Bratt, (Hischer is arguable)
NYI - Dobson (this probably changes when he gets extended)
NYR - Fox
Ottawa - B. Tkachuk, Stutzle, Sanderson
Philly - N/A
Pittsburgh - N/A
San Jose - N/A
Seattle - N/A
STL - Kyrou, Thomas
Tampa - Kucherov, Point
Toronto - Marner, Matthews
Utah - Keller
Van - Q. Hughes
Vegas - Eichel
Washington - Strome (if you believe his production isnt a fluke, definitely arguable)
Winnipeg - Connor, Schiefle
Puts him top 40 roughly (im sure more players can be argued against), which is still solid. He is still improving so he probably jumps another 5-10 spots relatively soon (along with some of these players getting extensions/new deals and becoming less valuable). I also didnt count caufield but there is a solid chance he hits 40 goals this year and a goal scorer of that level is probably more valuable, at least imo
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Winnipeg you definitely missed Helle, multi times Vezina winning goalie (and current potential MVP) on a friendly contract. Josh M also on a very good contract and clear 1D. I'm sure other fans on other teams would add more players from their teams also.
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TheNewEra
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wow Helly was a glaring omission, yeah thats definitely on me
Morrissey should also be on the list but i think that might be closer to the arguable range and i dont feel as bad about missing him vs Helly
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Some of these are pretty off. Like if you're just listing players who are better than him then OK... even still I would say many of these names aren't. When you take age and contract into consideration it's much less.
As a Canes fan, Jarvis and Aho are not more valuable assets than Suzuki. You can make a strong argument that Suzuki is passing Aho this year as a player and he's younger signed to a better number. Jarvis isn't as good as Suzuki but he is younger and signed to a good deal for long term. Still I would suspect 32/32 GMs would take Suzuki and his contract moving forward vs. Jarvis since he's a C and a very good one who is outscoring Jarvis by a good amount. You can argue Slavin if you want. it's very apples to bananas but yes, he is excellent and on a very good deal.
Necas is not a better asset than Suzuki. Necas isn't a better player than Suzuki. He's going to need a huge payday in one season. No team would take him over Suzuki if given the option.
Marner isn't a better asset. He's about to sign a contract where he's going to make almost twice as much as Suzuki. He's also two years older a winger and outscoring Suzuki by like 9 points.
So, I'm not going to go through the whole list but there's a lot more that you can dive into like this.
Yep. I love Suzuki, but I think people can't comprehend how few players even 20 or 30 is in leaguewide terms.
TheNewEra
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the contract claims you are saying about marner, necas etc i did address saying thats where i see it as right now but extensions/new contracts will change it. Marner getting 100 points at 11 million vs at 15 is a different calculation i agree. Necas being a ppg+ player for another season at 6.5 has strong value and then the extension will throw that value out the window
I defer to your judgement on the canes since i do not watch them regularly. For myself personally i dont have suzuki over aho yet, but i do see that happening soon. The jarvis portion you have touched on.
I do agree that if we are factoring in upcoming contracts about another 5-8 players can be removed from that list
GIN ANTONIC
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Well you have to factor in the future. It's about him as an asset and a big portion of his value is tied to the fact that he's a really good 1C on a great deal for another 5 years to bring him to age 30.
Marner is a free agent in 3 months... he's not even an asset other than being a really good player for the rest of this year. To include him on the list makes no sense. He's going to be making somewhere between 12-15mil per year.
Necas again also doesn't make sense. Suzuki is a better player and signed beyond next season. Necas being not as good but making $1m less for 1 season and then getting a huge payday doesn't make him a better asset.
On your list these players are definitely not better assets.
Tage Thompson
Alex Tuch
Keller (they are similar players but Keller only has 3 years on his deal)
Hintz (3 years older and signed to more money, not having near as good a season)
Byfield
Anderson
Dobson
Kyrou
Honestly, I'm gonna stop there but most of the names on your list aren't better players or assets.
You realize Nick Suzuki is a 25 year old, 1C who plays a great 200ft game, is a team captain, has increased his point totals and goal scoring every year and is gonna maybe score 90 points this season? Also he's signed for 5 more years through his 20s at a cap hit of $7.8m AAV
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As much as I dont like the whole idea of this poll, Suzuki is 25 in case you missed that,
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I'd remove fox, stutzle hagel and maybe even johston, the reason is simple, some of these have had incredible teamates to boost them (fox, panarin, shattenkirk, kreider, zib before they went trash) (hagel, point kucherov guentzel hedman) ( johnston, rob, hintz, seguin, duchene, benn, heiskanen)
Stutzle is just weak, suzuki is the first habs ppg player since kovalev 2007, easy to figure their rooster has been mediocre for a while
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