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Makar, playoff Helly has been established from prior seasons. Makar has had non-dominant playoffs, but he hasn't been outright bad like this.
GDT: WCQF: Game 5 - Colorado Avalanche @ Dallas Stars | 7:30 MT
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C'mon Makar, go one one of those stretches where you put up silly points, we need you desperately buddy.
Reminds me of Joe Sakic in 2000 when he had 9 points in 17 games and couldn't do anything in the WCF vs... lo and behold, Dallas.
Sometimes your superstars suck for a two-four week stretch. This seems to be one of those unfortunate times for Makar.
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Well, I’m not going to get into arguments with fans of Hughes, Miro and Fox that Makar is one of the GOAT D men.
We expect great players to rise to the occasion. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
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You would think the Avs are still icing Newhook and Jost with how easily they are getting pushed out to the perimeter and lobbing in long, weak shots. But then you look at the line up and it's Val, Coyle, Nelson, and Landeskog.
It sucks to know you've sold your future for "physical, playoff-type" players only for them to be very not physical...
It sucks to know you've sold your future for "physical, playoff-type" players only for them to be very not physical...
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As down as I am about facing elimination against DeBoer yet again, streaks are made to be broken. Just gonna see what happens and hope they find some urgency and take care of the game 7 and DeBoer losses.
If not, then it is what it is. At the end of the day it’s just a game, not life and death. Make some changes in the offseason (starting with at minimum the assistant coaches) and take another kick at the can again next year.
If not, then it is what it is. At the end of the day it’s just a game, not life and death. Make some changes in the offseason (starting with at minimum the assistant coaches) and take another kick at the can again next year.
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I don't think the Avs have tuned Bednar out though. They've got lots of games that show the opposite, including the last game where they dominated.
They've got plenty of motivation with Gabe. They could have a mouse behind the bench and they should still be motivated.
They're controlling the play most of the time, Dallas hasn't really imposed themselves on the Avs, or limited their chances. They've put themselves in a position to win every game except this one where it felt like the deck was stacked against them with flukey bounces, bad goals, and bad officiating.
They're just not capitalizing in the clutch moments. They've been better than the Stars most of the series, but they're losing the big moments.
The big moments are always on the players. They get the credit and the blame. These are the moments where the play is there and they have to make it. They either do or they don't. The coach can't make it for them.
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Can’t sleep.
Been in bed for the past 1.5 hours.
Got up to go walk the dogs.
Back home now. Still pissed off.
2:20 AM and need to be up for work in 4 hours and 40 minutes.
Been in bed for the past 1.5 hours.
Got up to go walk the dogs.
Back home now. Still pissed off.
2:20 AM and need to be up for work in 4 hours and 40 minutes.
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Extremely aggravating loss for many reasons.
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But Joe Sakic managend to lead this team into a WCF.
Makar is probably golfing by friday....
Thats the difference. The "best" D-Man in the league has to lead the way.
Game 5 starts and we are down 0-1 9 seconds into it..... Crazy.
That doesnt matter. What matters is that Dallas is leading this series 3-2.
Forget about this "ifs" and "coulda woulda".....
They had plenty of golden opportunities to avoid this shit.
We are losing to a team that is playing without their No. 1 D-Man and one of their best forwards and known AVS-Killer.....And here we are again......
That´s true. But if this season ends with a 1st round exit, i dont want "some changes" in the offseason... It doesnt work anymore.
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I don’t think JB’s message is getting through and it’s reflected in the team’s inconsistent, lackadaisical and listless play. Say what you will about the players not showing up and you have no argument from me. For me it’s on both the coaches and the players. But if you look at the games in the series, only game 4 is where the Avs played their game. Not games 1, 2, 3 and 5. DeBoer crafted a stay close strategy in the initial three games and it paid off for the Stars in games 2 and 3. You say the Avs have to bury their chances but what about giving Otter credit? Interestingly, you said the top 6 have struggled in addition to the top pair. Who is responsible for setting the lines? Chemistry has been an issue. But JB has insisted on gluing Necas to Mack even though it’s a redundant skill set.
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Of course the "why" and the "how" matters.
That's how you come up with an objective, accurate, answer to both questions.
Otherwise you're at risk of confirmation bias, and being results oriented, and blaming someone who isn't to blame, just because it's the easy answer to a tough question.
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You rarely get to play "your game" in the playoffs. What you get to do is have a chance to be the better team. The Avs were the better team for most of the series.
Bednar's message was enough to help them do that, but he can't shoot for them, or make saves on pucks.
DeBoer's strategy didn't prevent those chances and it didn't cause them to miss their chances either.
I haven't liked the lines. It doesn't matter. They've had their chances, and they've done well preventing the chances from Dallas.
The only thing more important than that is capitalizing on your own chances and the Avs haven't done that. That's not on the coach that's on the players.
If they can't figure it out themselves, they're going to have the same problem with a new coach, because he can't shoot for them either.
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DeBoer got to play his game in games 1, 2 and 3 so if it’s rare then that’s an amazing coincidence. IOW, I disagree with you on that point
Who’s the better team is relative? By what metric? I don’t know about you but the POs are about winning to advance and have a chance at winning the SC. So in that sense, no, the Avs are definitely NOT consistently the better team.
Winning or losing is on both the coaches and the players. This isn’t an either or proposition.
But having all the advantages I previously listed as well as the Stars having Miro and JRb out and then to lay an egg? Come on!
So what’s your solution to fixing the Avs woes? Trade Makar and Nuke? That’s not happening. If changing the coaches sends a message to the players and lights a fire under their ass then I’m fine with it. They need it.
Wasn’t the Avs PP red hot after the TDL? What happened? Wasn’t the second line working with Necas? What happened?
I view it as the HC’s responsibility to have properly prepared the team. It doesn’t look like that took place. Nor does it appear to me that JB has put Necas in a position to succeed. Do you really think Torts would tolerate this crap from a veteran team? I think he’d be reading them the riot act and scratching players.
I hate this team. Completely spineless game after the best game. So the game 4 was a fluke in the end. Again today felt like Dallas owned us physically and we were way too soft for their meatwall defense. We look too scared. Just not enough heart to win it. We have to shoot from far and so on. We need to get hands dirty to win, but this team doesn't have it.
We don't pay the price what it costs to score.
We don't pay the price what it costs to score.
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I was going to say, Nuke was our arguably our second most important forward during the Cup year. He's yet to get kicked off the team this playoffs, which is good, but his play has lacked a certain edge to it
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Hindsight is 20/20, but I really thought Landy should have been back in Game 1. Less distraction, gets him into the rhythm two games earlier. As it turns out, he's been one of our better forwards in the series (who could have guessed?), would have been nice to have that in Game 2, for example
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Where did I ever say the series was over? Obviously the game is over so that’s not whining. I get that you want to control the discourse to make your point but your intentionally mischsracterizing what I said is a highly dishonest tactic. Didn’t you do the same thing with another poster who criticized Rants? I think it was you who misrepresented what they posted but I might be wrong about that. Apologies if I have the wrong party but I seem to recall you doing the same thing before. If so, It’s an unseemly thing to do.
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I knew it would bite them in the ass by not playing Landy when he was ready…
It did make sense imo but the team kinda got the good vibes out of it instead of playing the game properly. Human factor did not work. Our team was too happy afterwards. Fans were bumped though.
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