Rumor: Askarov’s agent : We are working on different possibilities for Yaroslav

[JPT]

Why would he choose to lose out on multiple millions for the A when a team can have him start or backup half a schedule and work his way toward a real NHL deal?

He can as easily go to the KHL and make a ton more than he could spending time in Nashville's AHL team to never start for the Predators


Hes never starting in Nashville - why would he be amicable to a club that just said 'we dont need you' by signing their 29yo goalie to eight years?


Its only logical - plus he has the KHL in his back pocket. He needs to do whats right for him since the team clearly hasnt done that for Askarov

You don't think it might hurt his trade value a bit to throw a fit and refuse to report?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Why would he choose to lose out on multiple millions for the A when a team can have him start or backup half a schedule and work his way toward a real NHL deal?

Well no team would have him in the NHL right now, so that's a moot point.

He can as easily go to the KHL and make a ton more than he could spending time in Nashville's AHL team to never start for the Predators

Keep in mind, he came over because he couldn't get a starting job or playing time in the KHL either.

If he wanted to go back to the KHL next summer, then the Preds would just let him. Sadly, we have picked goalies higher than him in the draft who have busted! It happens.

He seems to be having a lot of fun in Milwaukee so far, however, he seems like a funny and personable guy, so all this doom and gloom some fans seem to want to wish on him is misplaced. He'll be fine. It takes time, but he has a positive mindset and time is on his side.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

If I was Askarov id request a trade and not report to the A if told to

And thats not because hes too good for the A, maybe he needs more seasoning - its because Nashville is dicking around with his development now

Either move on from Yaroslav or lose value on him when he asks out

If he goes that route the Preds will just keep qualifying him and tying up his rights for the next 5 years. He has no leverage here. Goalie value is nebulous, the Preds shouldn't take a subpar return because his feelings are (pretty understandably) hurt. This isn't like Afanaseyev where his value is so relatively little to the org and around the league that you just trade him so you get something back.

If he wants to go to Russia for the next 5 years that's his perogative but it probably sets him back. If he kept up his development he could be taking workload from Saros this or next season and start challenging for the starter role within another season or two (and yes, that makes Saros' extension stupid but it is what it is).

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

You don't think it might hurt his trade value a bit to throw a fit and refuse to report?

What does he care? They already tanked it the moment they signed Saros before moving Yaroslav; Trotz is clearly a first-time GM

If he goes that route the Preds will just keep qualifying him and tying up his rights for the next 5 years. He has no leverage here. Goalie value is nebulous, the Preds shouldn't take a subpar return because his feelings are (pretty understandably) hurt. This isn't like Afanaseyev where his value is so relatively little to the org and around the league that you just trade him so you get something back.

If he wants to go to Russia for the next 5 years that's his perogative but it probably sets him back. If he kept up his development he could be taking workload from Saros this or next season and start challenging for the starter role within another season or two (and yes, that makes Saros' extension stupid but it is what it is).

He can just ... leave lmfao. He isnt stuck in America nor would he stand for them qualifying him out of spite. Its simply not realistic

Well no team would have him in the NHL right now, so that's a moot point.


Keep in mind, he came over because he couldn't get a starting job or playing time in the KHL either.

If he wanted to go back to the KHL next summer, then the Preds would just let him. Sadly, we have picked goalies higher than him in the draft who have busted! It happens.

He seems to be having a lot of fun in Milwaukee so far, however, he seems like a funny and personable guy, so all this doom and gloom some fans seem to want to wish on him is misplaced. He'll be fine. It takes time, but he has a positive mindset and time is on his side.

No team? Find that very hard to believe - there are some horrible backups out there getting jobs every year

And not getting time in the K when hes a teenager is different than when hes an adult

And I bet he was having fun in Milwaukee... before it was guaranteed he will never get the job he wants in Nashville, not unless he wants to waste five years of his career earning nothing and risking injury before he gets paid

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I dunno, folks have some weird ideas around here. I think most of it stems from people overrating how far along Askarov is. He's just not ready for the NHL now, and he may never be. It's just prospect overhype by people who don't follow the player at all.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

He can just ... leave lmfao. He isnt stuck in America nor would he stand for them qualifying him out of spite. Its simply not realistic

He can definitely leave, and guarantees he won't be an NHL player for the next 5 years in the process, which he's all but certain to be in the next two seasons otherwise.

 

[jumb0]

Love how we are "dicking around with his development" because we haven't named him the starting goalie already.

I dunno, folks have some weird ideas around here. I think most of it stems from people overrating how far along Askarov is. He's just not ready for the NHL now, and he may never be. It's just prospect overhype by people who don't follow the player at all.

It's because everyone heard he was supposed to be the next franchise player when he was drafted. The fact that he isn't yet couldn't possibly be because he is still developing and needs another year or two before he's full time NHL ready. It's because Barry Trotz is a new GM and we locked up our current starter.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

He can definitely leave, and guarantees he won't be an NHL player for the next 5 years in the process, which he's all but certain to be in the next two seasons otherwise.

If Im him thats a gamble Im willing to make because I dont seriously believe Nashville would hold him out of spite or simply because they arent offered enough

Trotz dropped the ball on this heavily so he should really just suck it up and take the value he can get now; Yaroslav can have his greatest two seasons ever in the A next two years, he still wont fetch what he would have a month ago because everyone in the league knows he has to be moved

Love how we are "dicking around with his development" because we haven't named him the starting goalie already.



It's because everyone heard he was supposed to be the next franchise player when he was drafted. The fact that he isn't yet couldn't possibly be because he is still developing and needs another year or two before he's full time NHL ready. It's because Barry Trotz is a new GM and we locked up our current starter.

No, theyre dicking around with his development because he has no path to being the starter until Saros is moved... in f***ing 2030+ lol

I dunno, folks have some weird ideas around here. I think most of it stems from people overrating how far along Askarov is. He's just not ready for the NHL now, and he may never be. It's just prospect overhype by people who don't follow the player at all.

His AHL stats are good so I see no reason why his value would have dropped. Sure hes not ready to be a starter yet... still many teams would have paid a ransom for him a month ago; now thats probably cut in half

 

[Soundgarden]

No, theyre dicking around with his development because he has no path to being the starter until Saros is moved... in f***ing 2030+ lol

OR

Saros - Three elite seasons, three good/great seasons, three meh/bad seasons.

Askarov can definitely find a path with Nashville, he'll be starter in Milwaukee/called up due to injuries this year and maybe next, back up Saros 20-30 games, split games with Saros 50/50, and then usurp him when he's ready/Saros is declining.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I had a dream he ended up with the Caps as the future after Lindgren.

Two right handed catching goalies ?

Ew.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

OR

Saros - Three elite seasons, three good/great seasons, three meh/bad seasons.

Askarov can definitely find a path with Nashville, he'll be starter in Milwaukee/called up due to injuries this year and maybe next, back up Saros 20-30 games, split games with Saros 50/50, and then usurp him when he's ready/Saros is declining.

But this is exactly what Im talking about - hes already 22, this isnt some teenager anymore.

Why would he be okay with waiting four years to maybe become the starter? That isnt something his agent would advise nor do I think thats what he wants

As another poster said Im sure hes enjoyed his time in the A there... but that was when he had a goal to shoot for - that has now essentially been taken from him

He could be moved and earn at minimum a backups salary, but instead its suggested by Nashville he take an AHL salary until hes 26? Its not guaranteed he doesnt blow a hip by then and lose his chance at any money, KHL AHL or NHL

 

[Soundgarden]

But this is exactly what Im talking about - hes already 22, this isnt some teenager anymore.

Why would he be okay with waiting four years to maybe become the starter? That isnt something his agent would advise nor do I think thats what he wants

As another poster said Im sure hes enjoyed his time in the A there... but that was when he had a goal to shoot for - that has now essentially been taken from him

He could be moved and earn at minimum a backups salary, but instead its suggested by Nashville he take an AHL salary until hes 26?

Most goalies aren't in the NHL at 22, it's not out of the question for him to play the majority of Ads games and work out his mechanics in his game.

 

[Romang67]

We're not exactly talking about a guy who has lit the league on fire.

Look at how the first round picks have fared


Which is fine because that’s what they signed up for.

Dear lord.

 

[jumb0]

But this is exactly what Im talking about - hes already 22, this isnt some teenager anymore.

Why would he be okay with waiting four years to maybe become the starter? That isnt something his agent would advise nor do I think thats what he wants

As another poster said Im sure hes enjoyed his time in the A there... but that was when he had a goal to shoot for - that has now essentially been taken from him

He could be moved and earn at minimum a backups salary, but instead its suggested by Nashville he take an AHL salary until hes 26?

Or he spends 1 more year as the starter in Milwaukee and slides into the fulltime backup role in 2025. Which makes a lot more sense than your scorched earth gameplan.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Most goalies aren't in the NHL at 22, it's not out of the question for him to play the majority of Ads games and work out his mechanics in his game.

Youre correct - but he also isnt your average prospect nor is his value to Nashville (or was) the same as your average 22yo AHL goalie

Schmid won a series for the Devils and then had a rough year behind a terrible and mangled team - he returned essentially nothing... a third, one could argue

Askarov has MUCH better stats over his years and is realistically two years away from a 40ish game sample size in the big league. That wont be tenable with Nashville, as Saros cant be moved for a very long time

Or he spends 1 more year as the starter in Milwaukee and slides into the fulltime backup role in 2025. Which makes a lot more sense than your scorched earth gameplan.

Youd willingly take a job that pays woefully less than you could make elsewhere and have no room for a promotion? I dont believe that

We're not exactly talking about a guy who has lit the league on fire.

Dear lord.

Which makes it even weirder for me that he was not moved before Saros was signed

 

[jumb0]

Youd willingly take a job that pays woefully less than you could make elsewhere and have no room for a promotion? I dont believe that

You're acting like he's a UFA with offers from every team on the table.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

You're acting like he's a UFA with offers from every team on the table.

Youre right hes not; but he always has the K in his backpocket for an ability to request a move so he can have a better chance at a starters job and sooner

Its essentially the same thing as being a UFA at this point - any team would love to have him as a future option and his value has been hurt to the point where most teams can likely afford him (if theyre willing). The only teams who wouldnt are those with long-term goalies... like the Nashville Predators

Askarov at this point is unique in that hes worth more to other teams than he is to Nashville; and the only way its otherwise is sunken cost fallacy. There is no track where he ever realistically starts in the NHL there before 2030

 

[Armourboy]

Youre right hes not; but he always has the K in his backpocket for an ability to request a move so he can have a better chance at a starters job and sooner

Its essentially the same thing as being a UFA at this point - any team would love to have him as a future option and his value has been hurt to the point where most teams can likely afford him (if theyre willing). The only teams who wouldnt are those with long-term goalies... like the Nashville Predators

Askarov at this point is unique in that hes worth more to other teams than he is to Nashville; and the only way its otherwise is sunken cost fallacy. There is no track where he ever realistically starts in the NHL there before 2030

There is always a track, he plays in Milwaukee this year or beats out Wedgewood at camp and gets the back up role. Plays a couple years as the backup and then can start pushing Saros. If he outplays Saros then the Preds have some hard decisions to make, but he is a good 3-4 years from a being a legit starter wherever he goes.

If he wants to go to the KHL then let him, we've been down this road before. We have his right for the next 5 years so if he wants to be in the NHL he can buckle down and try and steal a spot or he can run back to Russia. Either way, we determine what happens with him for the next 5 years as far as the NHL is concerned. We did it with Radulov, and he actually proved to be good before he bailed.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Askarov at this point is unique in that hes worth more to other teams than he is to Nashville; and the only way its otherwise is sunken cost fallacy.

Hmm, another way to look at it: the Preds haven’t traded Askarov. This argues quite strongly to me that he is in fact worth more to the Preds than what other teams are offering for him!

There is no track where he ever realistically starts in the NHL there before 2030

Ok that’s just bonkers. You are clearly a massive Askarov fan. But now you’re a big Saros fan too? Askarov can start in Nashville whenever he’s better than Saros. That’s a tall order. But as soon as he helps the Preds win more games then he’ll be # 1.

Only, expansion will probably happen before that, even in the absolute best case of Askarov panning out.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Most goalies aren't in the NHL at 22, it's not out of the question for him to play the majority of Ads games and work out his mechanics in his game.

Stuart Skinner played 13 games as a 22 yr old and 50 as a 23 year old and going into both seasons there is no one on this board that would say he was more ready than askarov is right now. They honestly should have given askarov 10 games in the NHL last season just to truly see where he's at now they got 8 years attached to a more expensive player

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Hmm, another way to look at it: the Preds haven’t traded Askarov. This argues quite strongly to me that he is in fact worth more to the Preds than what other teams are offering for him!


Ok that’s just bonkers. You are clearly a massive Askarov fan. But now you’re a big Saros fan too? Askarov can start in Nashville whenever he’s better than Saros. That’s a tall order. But as soon as he helps the Preds win more games then he’ll be # 1.

Only, expansion will probably happen before that, even in the absolute best case of Askarov panning out.

Normally a player of Askarov's caliber would most definitely be more valuable to Nashville than others; however in order for this to be applicable, it would require Nashville being able to use him for themselves instead of for value

That wont be the case in Nashville and, without outright being rude about it, simply is not reasonable nor feasible. Saros is signed until 2033

Therefore Askarov's value is lower to his own team than another team; this was not the case prior to the extension announcement and is why they would have gotten considerably more, had they moved him

A first time GM holding onto a first round goaltending prospect too long for the future, and then signing his own 29yo starter to term for the now, is not that unbelievable. But Barry Trotz most certainly f***ed up

 

[JPT]

OR

Saros - Three elite seasons, three good/great seasons, three meh/bad seasons.

Askarov can definitely find a path with Nashville, he'll be starter in Milwaukee/called up due to injuries this year and maybe next, back up Saros 20-30 games, split games with Saros 50/50, and then usurp him when he's ready/Saros is declining.

It's wild to me that anyone thinks Saros has to be the starter for the entire length of the contract.

 

[Scoresberg]

So for a top F or D prospect who is likewise 2-3 years from making any impact in the NHL. It's alright, but it comes back around to: who is that prospect?

I don't personally think it needs to be just a prospect, it could also be an established player. In fact, an established player who fits a need might be better for the short-term window mindset than another prospect at a different position. The problem then becomes the Cap. The Preds are Capped out atm. And all the teams in the NHL have already filled their major and minor league goalie slots and won't be clamoring to get Askarov just now. So... maybe we're talking more about a Trade Deadline type of move? Not necessarily for a pure rental player, but at least a player the Preds pick up for immediate help, once some Cap leeway/pro-rating is in place?

Well, to me, it all still comes down to just evaluating the specifics. Sure, the Preds could trade Askarov. But "now"/"TDL"/"later" still comes down to all the usual questions about evaluating the net benefit to the Preds and the Cap feasibility, etc. And how Askarov performs.

Call it a prospect or an established player, we need some ELC contributors to the lineup to make the push a reality. A guy like Sillinger, Wright etc. whoever it is, is much closer to making an impact to the roster than Askarov would ever be as only the backup.

 

[vipera1960]

It's wild to me that anyone thinks Saros has to be the starter for the entire length of the contract.

That’s the thing that gets me. Florida literally just won with like $16M in goaltending. I think Askarov will be given the opportunity to prove he’s a #1, but it won’t just get the spot. He will need to take it.

 

[bert]

Dan Milstein: Yaroslav’s got potential to become an elite goalie in the future. Today, we’re working with his club exploring different possibilities. Yaroslav has proven to everyone he’s an NHL caliber goalie

Source: Мильштейн: Аскаров должен стать элитным вратарём в НХЛ

Based on his tone, I think we’re definitely going to see a trade

He has no leverage he is coming off his ELC. Nashville doesn't have go do a damn thing.