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Friedman: Arvidsson and Henrique have previously unknown NMC's, will make moves more difficult for EDM

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Bounces R Way said:
Or the Senators could have just documented it correctly in the original trade. It's a contract to play hockey, not a complex merger and acquisition deal, there's like 4 maybe 5 things to know lol
Pretty inexcusable a team worth 100s of millions of dollars would miss something like that.
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In Ottawa's defense, sort of, they were a huge organizational mess at the time. The Dadonov-2-Ducks trade was March, 2022, and the Sens were sold the next year. While all that was going on, the Ottawa GM (can't remember his name) was desperate to turn the team around and save his job (spoiler alert: he didn't).

In retrospect, it was the Good Lord's way to telling McCrimmon "don't trade Dadonov, he's pretty good." But McCrimmon didn't listen and Dadonov went on to be a star for the Stars.
 
StreetHawk said:
At worst the nhl registry should have all of the trade or movement protection listed. If it’s a mntc they have the number of clubs the play cant or can be traded to.
Up to the teams to provide a document from the player that he agrees to be traded to the team.
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I wonder if Cap Friendly was still here we'd have already known about those NMCs

The league purposely doesn't release to other clubs the lists of what players can be traded to, as some teams would take that as a slight and affect what they can and can't do.
 
Bounces R Way said:
Or the Senators could have just documented it correctly in the original trade. It's a contract to play hockey, not a complex merger and acquisition deal, there's like 4 maybe 5 things to know lol
Pretty inexcusable a team worth 100s of millions of dollars would miss something like that.
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...doesn't it at least make one wonder how CapFriendly knew about his NTC and Vegas didn't, though??...do you not find that strange??... :dunno:
 
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Bounces R Way said:
Or the Senators could have just documented it correctly in the original trade. It's a contract to play hockey, not a complex merger and acquisition deal, there's like 4 maybe 5 things to know lol
Pretty inexcusable a team worth 100s of millions of dollars would miss something like that.
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What’s inexcusable is

1) the league allowing contracts to be registered without all the contract information.

2) Not informing a soon to be owner, that an investigation was underway, and then 2-3 weeks after getting team, say btw your docked a first rounder.

now if they go with Kovalchuk case, with a new owner, they changed it to last pick in the first round. Time is running out for that too happen.
 
Profet said:
Because not giving them out means huge premiums that can be difficult to fit under the cap.

NMC/NTC's are "free" from a cap perspective and get you a significant discount. GMs don't plan for the future. They have relatively short shelf lives.

As fans, we always plan for the future... but coaches and GMs plan to win now. Later is the next guy's problem.
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At this point I don't know if players give discounts for it.
 
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If this is true, Jackson completely botched last summer. It was already a disaster with spending all their money prior to the offer sheets, which is about as rookie of a GM mistake possible, but he had to know he gave these clauses away, and now someone’s playing stupid.
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...doesn't it at least make one wonder how CapFriendly knew about his NTC and Vegas didn't, though??...do you not find that strange??... :dunno:
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Puckpedia has known this for the entire time. Kane is also listed as having a 16 team NTC as of March 1.

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Jay Gray said:
Puckpedia has known this for the entire time. Kane is also listed as having a 16 team NTC as of March 1.

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PuckPedia changed their site earlier today after this new information came out, they confirmed it on their Twitter account.
 
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russ99 said:
I wonder if Cap Friendly was still here we'd have already known about those NMCs

The league purposely doesn't release to other clubs the lists of what players can be traded to, as some teams would take that as a slight and affect what they can and can't do.
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If they can’t have the teams listed then the final recourse is that if a player with any form of trade protection, full or partial that there needs to be a document which shows that the player accepts a trade to that other club. If they are going to let teams deal with getting their mntc list of teams that they can be traded to.
 
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LokiDog said:
And Edmonton does too. They signed the contracts. At least Henrique’s for sure. Just because EF isn’t aware of every clause on every contract on every 32 teams doesn’t make these “previously unknown” it just makes it news to him.
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It doesn't stop teams from calling EDM on those players. But, if EDM were aiming to move them, they'd need to know whether the player would accept a deal otherwise, potentially wasting another GM's time if the player has no interest in going to that team and has trade protection.
 
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Golden_Jet said:
The league doesn’t get informed of any players contracts NTC/NMC lists. There is no central DB on NTC’s. Therein lies the whole problem. Players didn’t want their list to get leaked, so league has no knowledge,
Lebrun did a radio hit and discussed it I remember, and said because of this they might look into keeping track of the lists, but it never happened.
Dumb the league does not get informed.
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There was another, and better, reason given why the league does not keep track of No Trade Clauses, and that is because the clauses are all different.

Most clauses require the player to submit their no trade list by July 1 of each year, but not all of them. Some pick another date. There are also some situations where the player can wait until they are asked by the team to provide their list.

Once a contract is signed and submitted, it cannot be changed. But the NTCs can be changed and are changed regularly during the life of the contract. My understanding is that the league saw the risks of trying to keep track of something over which they have so little control that they decided to leave it up to the teams.

As pointed out by @theVladiator above, Ottawa was not punished because they are a small, Canadian team, but because they screwed up. They told Vegas that the player's NTC had been voided because he and his agent had failed to provide their list of teams to which they could not be traded. That was not true, as the agent produced the documentation to show that the list was provided on time.
 
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Zonk said:
There was another, and better, reason given why the league does not keep track of No Trade Clauses, and that is because the clauses are all different.

Most clauses require the player to submit their no trade list by July 1 of each year, but not all of them. Some pick another date. There are also some situations where the player can wait until they are asked by the team to provide their list.

Once a contract is signed and submitted, it cannot be changed. But the NTCs can be changed and are changed regularly during the life of the contract. My understanding is that the league saw the risks of trying to keep track of something over which they have so little control that they decided to leave it up to the teams.

As pointed out by @theVladiator above, Ottawa was not punished because they are a small, Canadian team, but because they screwed up. They told Vegas that the player's NTC had been voided because he and his agent had failed to provide their list of teams to which they could not be traded. That was not true, as the agent produced the documentation to show that the list was provided on time.
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I understand the nuances of changing, but that doesn’t stop the league from having someone to oversee that task.
 
Golden_Jet said:
I understand the nuances of changing, but that doesn’t stop the league from having someone to oversee that task.
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NHL registry should be the place where trade protection information is the "final". Thus, if in the case of Ottawa, if they believe that the player's trade protection was lost, then it should fall on the team to provide that info to the registry for them to update their records.

Any club should be able to get the basic info on a player's contract from the registry, be it dates of payment of signing bonuses, trade protection status, number of clubs he can be dealt to, etc.
 
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