Friedman: Arvidsson and Henrique have previously unknown NMC's, will make moves more difficult for EDM

[NOTENOUGHRYANTHINGS]

They have nobody else to move to clear cap space, the entire forward group has NMCs and they should be looking to add a top 4 D and a goalie.

They got to game 7 of the finals and added a 40 goal scorer in Skinner. Do you think they'll even trail in a game before the SCF?

Bouchard is quite literally the best performing defenseman in the history of the advanced stats era.

They don't need to add anything.

 

[Lunatik]

The league doesn’t get informed of any players contracts NTC/NMC lists. There is no central DB on NTC’s. Therein lies the whole problem. Players didn’t want their list to get leaked, so league has no knowledge,
Lebrun did a radio hit and discussed it I remember, and said because of this they might look into keeping track of the lists, but it never happened.
Dumb the league does not get informed.

If the league knows the players don't want it, it means they asked. This is something that would likely have to be negotiated in a CBA, or have the players agree to it.

 

[StreetHawk]

The league doesn’t get informed of any players contracts NTC/NMC lists. There is no central DB on NTC’s. Therein lies the whole problem. Players didn’t want their list to get leaked, so league has no knowledge,
Lebrun did a radio hit and discussed it I remember, and said because of this they might look into keeping track of the lists, but it never happened.
Dumb the league does not get informed.

At worst the nhl registry should have all of the trade or movement protection listed. If it’s a mntc they have the number of clubs the play cant or can be traded to.
Up to the teams to provide a document from the player that he agrees to be traded to the team.

 

[Rowlet]

They got to game 7 of the finals and added a 40 goal scorer in Skinner. Do you think they'll even trail in a game before the SCF?

Bouchard is quite literally the best performing defenseman in the history of the advanced stats era.

They don't need to add anything.

Teams should always be looking to add.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

They got to game 7 of the finals and added a 40 goal scorer in Skinner. Do you think they'll even trail in a game before the SCF?

Bouchard is quite literally the best performing defenseman in the history of the advanced stats era.

They don't need to add anything.

 

[Djp]

I don't understand why so many NHL teams hand out NTCs and NMCs to unremarkable players.

I do...they want stability and control is worth less money

 

[deca guard]

detroit will take RV's cap hit for a draft pick

 

[Flames Fanatic]

33 year old LTIR, 5m per, locker room cancer, full NMC. I wish them luck.

I was reading this morning it's down to a 16 team NTC as of March 1st. Not sure that's a massive improvement or not, but take it for what it's worth.

 

[theVladiator]

The league doesn’t get informed of any players contracts NTC/NMC lists. There is no central DB on NTC’s. Therein lies the whole problem. Players didn’t want their list to get leaked, so league has no knowledge,
Lebrun did a radio hit and discussed it I remember, and said because of this they might look into keeping track of the lists, but it never happened.
Dumb the league does not get informed.

I did not mean the specific list, but just generally the existence of the clause itself. It kind of makes sense that the list is kept between the team and the player. The contract IS between the team and the player.

 

[Bileur]

They traded Dadonov to Vegas ( wasn’t on their list), then a year and half later Vegas tried to trade him to Anaheim, but couldn’t because they were on it.
The story was at the time, player hadn’t submitted updated list in time. (Turned out that wasn’t true)
So Ottawa loses a first,

What I still find funny is that the Dadonov Vegas trades (first for Kesler which was cancelled and then for Weber) are both moves for LTIR players.

I never understood why the league accepts those trades as they are clear circumvention (clearly Vegas isn’t the first or only team doing it but still funny).

 

[Rowlet]

I was reading this morning it's down to a 16 team NTC as of March 1st. Not sure that's a massive improvement or not, but take it for what it's worth.

Right, it became a 16 team as of March 1st, which is interesting. I think you can probably strategically cancel a trade by restricting trades to all the teams with cap space.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I understood the Arvidsson signing in most ways, but the saving grace was that there was no clauses. The clause is worse than him having an awful season.

 

[Romang67]

I swear, if an 8 year old of middling intelligence were tasked to sell sand to an NHL GM in the middle of Sahara desert, he'd walk away with $4M per year over 3 years with a NMC.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I did not mean the specific list, but just generally the existence of the clause itself. It kind of makes sense that the list is kept between the team and the player. The contract IS between the team and the player.

The league doesn’t get informed of the list or of any any clauses as well. It’s dumb.

Even if they did know that a player has a list, it can’t OK or not OK a trade if they don’t know the list. This has to change.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I swear, if an 8 year old of middling intelligence were tasked to sell sand to an NHL GM in the middle of Sahara desert, he'd walk away with $4M per year over 3 years with a NMC.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Are the teams that traded them to the Oilers going to get a 1st round pick taken away?

I don’t know if this is a joke or not, but both were new contracts signed by the Oilers.

 

[BKarchitect]

I really thought Arvy was gonna be good in Edmonton. He was a 60 point player two seasons ago and then last year when he came back from injury he had 18 points in 23 games (including playoffs). He’d historically been such a high energy player with a real nose for the net. He was a consistent offensive generator for some not exactly great offensive teams in Nashville and LA so it seemed natural to have think he’d be quite successful next to some stars in Edmonton.

I wonder if he’s a bounce back candidate next year (at 31, he’s not ancient)…or has his long history of injuries and wear and tear due to his style just seen him go off an aging cliff earlier than most?

 

[MessierThanThou]

Stupid Oilers management giveth (McDrai) and stupid Oilers management taketh away (chance at a Cup)...

 

[VivaLasVegas]

...it happened with Dodonov in Vegas...they "didn't know" that he had a partial NTC when they got him from Ottawa and then tried to trade him to Anaheim, which was on his list...

Seem to recall that the NHL investigated and found that it was Ottawa's then-GM who intentionally mislead Vegas as to Dadonov's contract, which is why it was Ottawa that forfeited a 1st round.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Seem to recall that the NHL investigated and found that it was Ottawa's then-GM who intentionally mislead Vegas as to Dadonov's contract, which is why it was Ottawa that forfeited a 1st round.

...yup, that's what they said...it's just funny that CapFriendly knew about the NTC and Vegas somehow didn't...

 

[TLEH]

The bowman special. He has always handed these out like candy

 

[Golden_Jet]

...yup, that's what they said...it's just funny that CapFriendly knew about the NTC and Vegas somehow didn't...

Ya the first round pick is a joke, when the league doesn’t even know who has them, or the list.

 

[TheFinalWord]

I thought Henrique was seen as a good signing at the time and that he'd taken less money to try and play for a winner. Has he fallen off that much?

 

[Bounces R Way]

The league doesn’t get informed of the list or of any any clauses as well. It’s dumb.

Even if they did know that a player has a list, it can’t OK or not OK a trade if they don’t know the list. This has to change.

Or the Senators could have just documented it correctly in the original trade. It's a contract to play hockey, not a complex merger and acquisition deal, there's like 4 maybe 5 things to know lol
Pretty inexcusable a team worth 100s of millions of dollars would miss something like that.

I really thought Arvy was gonna be good in Edmonton. He was a 60 point player two seasons ago and then last year when he came back from injury he had 18 points in 23 games (including playoffs). He’d historically been such a high energy player with a real nose for the net. He was a consistent offensive generator for some not exactly great offensive teams in Nashville and LA so it seemed natural to have think he’d be quite successful next to some stars in Edmonton.

I wonder if he’s a bounce back candidate next year (at 31, he’s not ancient)…or has his long history of injuries and wear and tear due to his style just seen him go off an aging cliff earlier than most?

I just don't think his body is up to it anymore. He was a undersized player that paired some good top 6 skill with great tenacity below the dots. He's older and those skills have diminished and with the injuries he's piled up his tenacity and dig in level is diminished as well. Gets pushed off the puck with ease.

 

[russ99]

How to ruin two top three players in the world, a master class of incompetence, co authored by Ken, Pete, and Stan.

What a hilarious disaster.

Stan wasn't here, that's all Jeff Jackson. Man, talk about a disaster of a summer.