Confirmed with Link: Artturi Lehkonen (50% Retained) Traded to Colorado for a 2024 2nd Round Pick & Justin Barron

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Why did we have to trade this guy again? Was there a reason?

Because I'd rather have Lekhonen at 4.5 for the next 5 years than Justin Barron and a 2nd round pick for sure right now.
I was never on board trading Lehks but this was one of those "trade them while they have high value" + Colorado really wanted him. I bet the mgmt would rather trade Drouin, Hoffman, Armia but unfortunately they have zero value.
 

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Why did we have to trade this guy again? Was there a reason?

Because I'd rather have Lekhonen at 4.5 for the next 5 years than Justin Barron and a 2nd round pick for sure right now.

He had value & we didn't have the money to sign him thanks to immovable contracts given to Gallagher, Armia, Byron, Hoffman & Drouin. We're spending $23.3m on those 5 players (average of $4.66m each).

We're capped out.
 

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He had value & we didn't have the money to sign him thanks to immovable contracts given to Gallagher, Armia, Byron, Hoffman & Drouin. We're spending $23.3m on those 5 players (average of $4.66m each).

We're capped out.

Also have a ton of incoming winger prospects (RHP, Ylonen, Heineman, Mesar, Roy, Farrell, Slaf, Kapanen, Tuch, Mysak, Smilanic, etc.), so re-signing a 3rd liner to a big contract wasn't needed.
 

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Why did we have to trade this guy again? Was there a reason?

Because I'd rather have Lekhonen at 4.5 for the next 5 years than Justin Barron and a 2nd round pick for sure right now.

He has never showed anything with us chances after chances. He is playing with a highly skilled team now. Stop being blind by fanboyism,. Not to mention we were in a rebuilding phase. With luck, both teams are gonna be happy with the exchange.
 
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Why did we have to trade this guy again? Was there a reason?

Because I'd rather have Lekhonen at 4.5 for the next 5 years than Justin Barron and a 2nd round pick for sure right now.
He was worth keeping unless we got a very good return, and that we did.

We'll see how Barron develops, but at the time of the trade it was pretty no-brainer for a team with our cap situation embarking on a significant roster rebuild project.

I would've been happy to keep him, but it's also unlikely he'd have had the offensive bump he's had playing in a lineup with makar, toews, Mac, Rantanen et.

Good for Lekhy, good for us. I'm glad he got a cup & he's thriving so far, and I'm glad we have Barron & that '24 2nd, good assets for what we're building
 

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He has never showed anything with us chances after chances. He is playing with a highly skilled team now. Stop being blind by fanboyish,. Not to mention we were in a rebuilding phase. With luck, both teams are gonna be happy with the exchange.

Seems you're the one suffering from fanboyish towards Hughes & Gorton defending their questionable trade.

Lehkonen was very good with us. Barron was completely unnecessary, given the stacked prospect pool we had on defense. Three rookie defensemen on the team right now―THREE―and the one we got for Lehkonen ain't even one of them.
 
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Also have a ton of incoming winger prospects (RHP, Ylonen, Heineman, Mesar, Roy, Farrell, Slaf, Kapanen, Tuch, Mysak, Smilanic, etc.), so re-signing a 3rd liner to a big contract wasn't needed.

Yeah, but we also have a ton of defensemen prospects. Heck, three rookies on the team right now. Mailloux upcoming. Hutson and Struble still lot of potential. Even Trudeau. How was Barron needed?

They should've gotten a goalie prospect instead.
 

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Seems you're the one suffering from fanboyish towards Hughes & Gorton defending their bad trade.

Lehkonen was very good with us. Barron was completely unnecessary, given the stacked prospect pool we had on defense. Three rookie defensemen on the team right now―THREE―and the one we got for Lehkonen ain't even one of them.

We were not stacked with RHD, and we still ain't even with Barron and Mailloux, and what were we supposed to get for a 3rd liner, a superstar prospect ? We got a great return for Lehkonen, and Colorado got a great return for what they gave up. Absolutely no problems with Barron in the A, he just need to fix some things, mainly defensive coverage, nothing to panic there.
 

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Maybe Barron will turn out to be a magnificent NHL defender. My point isn't about Barron, but about Lehkonen. He was still young and so promising. He could have been part of the rebuild no problem. It was a gamble, and I question whether that gamble was necessary,

If it was for cap-related reasons like @MarkovsKnee says, then OK.

We were not stacked with RHD, and we still ain't even with Barron and Mailloux, and what were we supposed to get for a 3rd liner, a superstar prospect ? We got a great return for Lehkonen, and Colorado got a great return for what they gave up. Absolutely no problems with Barron in the A, he just need to fix some things, mainly defensive coverage, nothing to panic there.

I'm not "panicking". I question the trade, that's all. Isn't that what the Bergevin haters have been doing for 10 years? What, Hughes and Gorton's moves are above scrutiny?
 

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Maybe Barron will turn out to be a magnificent NHL defender. My point isn't about Barron, but about Lehkonen. He was still young and so promising. He could have been part of the rebuild no problem. It was a gamble, and I question whether that gamble was necessary,
I agree, but it's funny that Dvorak who is younger than Lehkonen and SIGNED for 3 more years is often considered too "old" for our alleged window, yet Lehkonen was likely going to want more than 3 years for an extension. We have a surplus of forwards and shortage of RHD prospects so the trade was a positive toward balance, but of course whether it is a coup or not depends on whether Barron can become at least a top-4 D.

We could have tried a one-year extension and then waiting to this year's TDL to move him for hopefully just as good a return, but we would have needed to move another $2.4M in order for Price to be able to return, and at that point, this was a priority so we could see if Pricer might fit in our plans.
 
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Maybe Barron will turn out to be a magnificent NHL defender. My point isn't about Barron, but about Lehkonen. He was still young and so promising. He could have been part of the rebuild no problem. It was a gamble, and I question whether that gamble was necessary,

If it was for cap-related reasons like @MarkovsKnee says, then OK.



I'm not "panicking". I question the trade, that's all. Isn't that what the Bergevin haters have been doing for 10 years? What, Hughes and Gorton's moves are above scrutiny?

You can question all HuGo trades if you want, I think it's premature to judge it now, way too early, also, I loved Lehkonen but a firesale is a firesale, would've kept him above Drouin/Hoffman/Armia for sure, but they pretty much were (and still are) worthless, and Colorado wanted Lehkonen, we needed to trade valuable assets to rebuild, so yeah.

And why should anyone care about Bergevin, and what does it have to do with HuGo ?
 
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You can question all HuGo trades if you want, I think it's premature to judge it now, way too early, also, I loved Lehkonen but a firesale is a firesale, would've kept him above Drouin/Hoffman/Armia for sure, but they pretty much were (and still are) worthless, and Colorado wanted Lehkonen, we needed to trade valuable assets to rebuild, so yeah.

And why should anyone care about Bergevin, and what does it have to do with HuGo ?
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Sakic took the rookie Hughes to school on this trade. Lekhonen had high trade value
 
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There’s nothing to gnash your teeth about. He needed a new contract and was a 30pt player for the Habs. We had too many wingers and too little cap space.

In a rebuild it isn’t just junk that gets sold off… it is inevitable that useful players will get moved if only because the organization needed to restructure its cap/contract commitments.

Lehkonen is a good player and we should wish him the best. Keep in mind, even if Justin Barron doesn’t turn out as good as Lehkonen, his presence is a sort of positive pressure on the rest of the defensive depth chart and gives us a surplus of tradeable defensive assets.

I would’ve preferred a C prospect but yknow how it is…
 

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Yeah, but we also have a ton of defensemen prospects. Heck, three rookies on the team right now. Mailloux upcoming. Hutson and Struble still lot of potential. Even Trudeau. How was Barron needed?

They should've gotten a goalie prospect instead.
Without Barron, the habs have 1 RD in the prospect pool.

Its not even up to debate that acquiring a good RD prospect was a major need for the habs.
 

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There’s nothing to gnash your teeth about. He needed a new contract and was a 30pt player for the Habs. We had too many wingers and too little cap space.

In a rebuild it isn’t just junk that gets sold off… it is inevitable that useful players will get moved if only because the organization needed to restructure its cap/contract commitments.

Lehkonen is a good player and we should wish him the best. Keep in mind, even if Justin Barron doesn’t turn out as good as Lehkonen, his presence is a sort of positive pressure on the rest of the defensive depth chart and gives us a surplus of tradeable defensive assets.

I would’ve preferred a C prospect but yknow how it is…

Not all prospects we draft or trade for will pan out. The idea is to get a good enough pool such that those that do pan out from it are enough to make us perennial contenders in the future.

Lehkonen got us two good darts. And in 5 years when we're ready to contend, he likely won't be nearly as effective and will only have a few years left in his career. It's not about trading Lehk as opposed to others. It's about trading all vets with value. The only vets that didn't go are those that Hughes felt other teams didn't put good enough offers on the table for and/or have no value - or, as in Eddy and Savard, we need for stability for the youth.
 

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Seems you're the one suffering from fanboyish towards Hughes & Gorton defending their questionable trade.

Lehkonen was very good with us. Barron was completely unnecessary, given the stacked prospect pool we had on defense. Three rookie defensemen on the team right now―THREE―and the one we got for Lehkonen ain't even one of them.

I'm not fanboying for Gorton and Hughes, I couldn't care less but it was time for a change of scenery. And to do a rebuild, you need to move bodies. I have seen too many times Habs fans being too attached guys from Eller, etc...what does that serve, it was not gonna happen here.
 
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Seems you're the one suffering from fanboyish towards Hughes & Gorton defending their questionable trade.

Lehkonen was very good with us. Barron was completely unnecessary, given the stacked prospect pool we had on defense. Three rookie defensemen on the team right now―THREE―and the one we got for Lehkonen ain't even one of them.

Barron hasn’t lived up to his promise thus far, to be clear.

But the Habs would’ve struggled to fit Lehkonen under the cap moving forward, and the comment you made about fanboyism is kind of ironic here because Lehkonen wouldn’t be having the success he’s had in Colorado in Montreal.

Sometimes in a rebuild you need to also ship out good players, this is the unfortunate case wirh Lehkonen.
 
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I always liked Lehks. Really appreciated his 2 way game and ability to go full shut down monster.

Had we been in contender mode, like the AVs, and if we had Cap, then sure extend him. But we weren't and didn't.

We needed, and still need lots of quality darts, meaning picks and prospects. I thought getting Barron was a good trade as he is a good prospect. Now maybe he doesn't work out , but that's how it goes with picks/ prospects and rebuilds.

No regrets and was / am happy for Lehks.
 

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I'm not fanboying for Gorton and Hughes, I couldn't care less but it was time for a change of scenery. And to do a rebuild, you need to move bodies. I have seen too many times Habs fans being too attached guys from Eller, etc...what does that serve, it was not gonna happen here.
To be fair, Eller’s departure was just stupid given where we were at the time. They also traded him to make room for a bum like Andrew Shaw and his awful contract. I can see why certain fans had a hard time letting go of that. Lehkonen simply wasn’t a fit anymore. It’s much easier to move on without any regrets. You don’t sign expensive role players when you’re rebuilding unless you’re a team just looking to just reach the cap floor which we aren’t. Somehow former management managed to make us one of the most expensive basement dwellers in NHL history.
 

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Seems you're the one suffering from fanboyish towards Hughes & Gorton defending their questionable trade.

Lehkonen was very good with us. Barron was completely unnecessary, given the stacked prospect pool we had on defense. Three rookie defensemen on the team right now―THREE―and the one we got for Lehkonen ain't even one of them.

RHD is and was our most glaring need and Justin Barron was and still is a top RHD prospect........I would say that this acquisition was absolutely necessary. People are just being ridiculous with their expectations as he is only two months older than Guhle and it is rare for 20 year old dmen to be NHL ready. I expect him to stay in Laval until he really starts to take control of the games at the AHL level and either join the team later in the season, perhaps after the deadline or seriously contend for a spot next season which is closer to the expectation of a player his age.
 

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To be fair, Eller’s departure was just stupid given where we were at the time. They also traded him to make room for a bum like Andrew Shaw and his awful contract. I can see why certain fans had a hard time letting go of that. Lehkonen simply wasn’t a fit anymore. It’s much easier to move on without any regrets. You don’t sign expensive role players when you’re rebuilding unless you’re a team just looking to just reach the cap floor which we aren’t. Somehow former management managed to make us one of the most expensive basement dwellers in NHL history.

Lehkonen was still a great fit and Hughes and MSL were very clear in how much they loved his game and would have liked to keep him. Everbody has a price and Colorado met it as HuGo were specifically targeting a top RHD prospect who had a couple years of development under his belt.

Lehkonen is a perfect veteran forward to play with upcoming talent as he is not too old where he can't relate and he is a great role model on and off of the ice.
 
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