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Artemi Panarin, MSG reached settlements with Rangers employee after sexual assault allegation

I think you can have a very real debate whether you believe the full story, or you don't believe it based on lack of information and the initial investigation being made on the employee sharing prescriptions, especially after she was put on leave and unhappy about it, but talking about how the employee should know better or handle a stolen phone seems really out there.
 
dshea19 said:
You can dig your feet in and choose to be blind all you want. The moment he takes her phone and says she has to come to his room to get it is the moment that ANY REASONABLE PERSON would have red flags. If you can't see that, that is your problem. Their relationship before that doesn't account for that scenario. You are just willfully ignorant at this point. I am not going to even bother with you from here on. If you remove basic common sense, you might have a leg to stand on, though. From the perspective of a moron, you might have a valid point.
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From the perspective of someone who loves to blame the victim, you make solid arguments. Like I said, you have no idea what their relationship is like and how comfortable she was around him. It is COMPLETELY UNFAIR to look at this situation and say « she should have seen this coming ».

You seem to forget that she knew him, and that she obviously trusted him to an extent. There is no amount of common sense that suggests someone should expect to be pinned down on a bed by a high-profile work colleague.
 
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Panarin has been on my shit list since he was with the Jackets. We traveled to Edmonton for a Jackets game. We know someone in the Jackets org who told us what time to come to the hotel to catch the players going to the bus so my son could meet them and get autographs. My son was 12ish at the time. He has a CBJ fathead that all the players were signing... Except for Panarin. He just stood there and ignored my son who asked him for an autograph. Panarin even stood beside the bus for a while on his phone. I said to him that we weren't going to sell it and that we traveled from NC to Edmonton to see them play. He just shook his head no. Meanwhile other players came and went signing it while he watched.

I don't know about the rape allegations, but the guy is a POS in my book.
 
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TGWL said:
I think you can have a very real debate whether you believe the full story, or you don't believe it based on lack of information and the initial investigation being made on the employee sharing prescriptions, especially after she was put on leave and unhappy about it, but talking about how the employee should know better or handle a stolen phone seems really out there.
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There's another option here besides believing the full story or not believing it based on a lack of information. That's believing that it happened, but being able to acknowledge that we don't understand what happened. The details we know are enough to say Panarin did wrong, for sure.

I can immediately think of a dozen scenarios where Panarin misunderstands his relationship with the woman (on him) and then does something while drunk that he immediately regrets (again, on him). Plenty of variations on all of that too, and none of which blame the woman for any of it. None of it excuses him for what he did, either, but it's vital context if you're going to sit in judgment of him as a human being.
 
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Gizmoskevich said:
Possibly, but given that it was settled out of court she likely signed a NDA.

Doubt we get the full story unless another it happened with another person in a separate incident.
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The NHL investigated, as well as an independent law firm. No discipline. Settlements and NDAs are signed all the time to avoid bad PR and legal battles. This is a nothing story.
 
Tawnos said:
There's another option here besides believing the full story or not believing it based on a lack of information. That's believing that it happened, but being able to acknowledge that we don't understand what happened. The details we know are enough to say Panarin did wrong, for sure.

I can immediately think of a dozen scenarios where Panarin misunderstands his relationship with the woman (on him) and then does something while drunk that he immediately regrets (again, on him). Plenty of variations on all of that too, and none of which blame the woman for any of it. None of it excuses him for what he did, either, but it's vital context if you're going to sit in judgment of him as a human being.
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That still falls into how you view the story or lack the needed information to form a judgement you want to stand by. But the back and forth about how somebody should handle a phone situation or be taught to better handle it should be dropped.
 
lakeshirts37 said:
The NHL investigated, as well as an independent law firm. No discipline. Settlements and NDAs are signed all the time to avoid bad PR and legal battles. This is a nothing story.
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The NHL did not investigate. The Rangers conducted an independent investigation with an outside law firm.

I don't know how you conclude that this is a nothing story. If a settlement was reached, then something was found to implicate Panarin.

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Makes sense he came from the Blackhawks, probably learned it from the coaching staff.
 
TGWL said:
That still falls into how you view the story or lack the needed information to form a judgement you want to stand by. But the back and forth about how somebody should handle a phone situation or be taught to better handle it should be dropped.
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Agreed on that last part. But my point is that, in a situation where you know only a few details, you can form a judgment of an action "that you want to stand by" without forming a judgment of a person.
 
lakeshirts37 said:
Again, settlements and NDAs occur all the time even if you think you are innocent to avoid bad PR. The fact there was one here does not mean there was something to implicate Panarin.

Hypothetically, let's say these two had slept together previously. Panarin jokingly takes her phone and she comes to his room to get it. He thinks they are going to sleep together again, but she is not in the mood that night and leaves. Did he really do anything wrong and disgusting as so many are suggesting? No. Let's let the full story come out.
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That is one of the scenarios I was referring to earlier where we don't have enough details to judge him, just his actions. But guess what? In that scenario, him pinning her down to the bed is definitely wrong and disgusting... even if they slept together previously. Even if he thought pinning her down was playful, in the moment.
 
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