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Jersey Fresh said:
Moyes current team has more guile than Arsenal. Moyes at Everton also could hardly be classified as crossing merchants of that level.
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I agree with you. I meant in terms of defensive setup, as opposed to the freeflowing play of Pep and Wenger. The results and style of play right now are just as bad as they were last year under Emery. Im sure he will get more time but this is not what they envisioned when they hired him.
 
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Leno, Gabriel, Partey, Özil, Auba. That’s one of the best spines in the league and Saliba could feature as well. 2 good full backs, okay midfielders in Xhaka and Ceballos ( could have Torreira if not for him). Pépé, Saka, Willian, Martinelli as options on the wings. Absolutely no way anyone can say Arteta has a bottom half worthy squad ( because that is how he is setting the team up).

Most of our senior players were not bad before Arteta coached them. Willian was good last season, Pepe had 33 Ligue 1 goal contributions in the 2019 season, Lacazette won player of the season under Emery and Auba won the golden boot under Emery, having 10 goals in 13 under Wenger. Our main problem is clear. Our squad being a huge issue is nonsense, they just seem demotivated and we constantly use the wrong tactics.
 
The stuff in the last few weeks with all the crossing is the desperate thing that rookie managers do when they don't know what to do. So, yeah, it's time to go. He got this job much too quickly.
 
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Live in the Now said:
The stuff in the last few weeks with all the crossing is the desperate thing that rookie managers do when they don't know what to do. So, yeah, it's time to go. He got this job much too quickly.
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Part of it is personnel and part of it is Arteta switching tactics.

They don't play as cross merchants in the Europa league because the players are more dynamic and athletic. You can argue the opposition isn't the same but the style of play is also not the same.

The main squad he plays lack legs. So they become a lazy crossing team.

Arteta should just go back to the back 5 for this season and grind out results and then in the summer he can do a clear out and implement his style. At that point there will be no excuses.
 
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Evilo said:
I'm neutral and I think 90% of the problem is Arteta.
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I'm neutral and I think its both. I even argued against Arteta to Arsenal fans who dubbed him taught by pep who has a history of teaching good coaches lol. They finished 8th last year so this is hardly a power house team.
 
After Burnley some interesting fixtures coming up. Southampton, Everton, City and Chelsea. Brighton away after that isn't exactly easy either.

Few easy fixtures this season, but that could be quite tough for Arsenal. Without some good results over the next couple of weeks I would dread going into Christmas playing the two Cs. Obviously one being a cup game.
 
Duchene2MacKinnon said:
I'm neutral and I think its both. I even argued against Arteta to Arsenal fans who dubbed him taught by pep who has a history of teaching good coaches lol. They finished 8th last year so this is hardly a power house team.
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I think it’s a bit of both. Probably more manager than players, though I do wonder how much the players have already tuned out Arteta. If that’s the case, that might be on players as much if not more than managers.

I was pretty clear I felt Arteta wasn’t the guy. I do think he’s trying to build a base of solid defense, and then going forward, but I don’t know if he has the players or the managerial experience to do either.

I don’t know that abandoning him right now is the solution though. If you cut bait with Arteta, you’re a few windows further. My issue is while they’re better than they’re showing, are they a better manager away from the top 4, or even winning something? I think they’re a number of players and windows away. So if you whack the manager, it might be an even further delay. Sure, you’d get a new manager bump most likely, but who is clamoring to take the job?
 
EPL stats. Arsenal are 17th in goals. 18th in shots on target. 20th in scoring chances. But 5th in goals conceded. The problem is tactics.
 
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Evilo said:
I'm neutral and I think 90% of the problem is Arteta.
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I think saying it’s 90% excuses how poor the roster is overall for what their transfer fees and wage bill are.

They’ve got a mid table roster but playing like they’re bottom half. Replacing the manager might get them back to mid table or maybe challenge for a Europa spot, but this roster has no business challenging for the CL spots or anything higher.
 
Rob said:
EPL stats. Arsenal are 17th in goals. 18th in shots on target. 20th in scoring chances. But 5th in goals conceded. The problem is tactics.
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To be fair, being 5th in goals conceded has a lot to do with why they aren't scoring.
 
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Evilo said:
Is it worse than the 14 teams above Arsenal?
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Probably not. Though, would another manager tomorrow have them beat teams that are better than them? Other than Burnley, and maybe Brighton at home, their next 6 domestic matches they’re not the favorite, even with a new manager. So it’s going to get worse than it is now.

yeah, the Villa match might have been a team they should beat, but are they clearly better than Spurs or Wolves? A draw with Leeds isn’t great, though, Pepe’s idiotic red kind of made that a good result.
 
hatterson said:
I think saying it’s 90% excuses how poor the roster is overall for what their transfer fees and wage bill are.

They’ve got a mid table roster but playing like they’re bottom half. Replacing the manager might get them back to mid table or maybe challenge for a Europa spot, but this roster has no business challenging for the CL spots or anything higher.
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So you're saying it's fine a mid table team (your terms) is playing like a relegation candidate?
Any other mid table team, he'd be fired.
 
After 11 games Arsenal have 4 wins, 1 draw, and 6 losses (13 points) with 10 goals for and 16 against. After 11 games last year under Emery they had 4 wins, 5 draws, and 2 losses (17 points) with 16 goals for and 15 against. Main difference between Emery and Arteta so far is that Emery managed to squeeze out a few draws by scoring a few more goals, otherwise the team wasn't much better overall and people were already calling for him to be fired at that point (he was fired after matchweek 13).

Arteta is probably being too cautious defensively with little benefit, but the players still aren't good enough either way.
 
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I think there’s argument to be made that they’re in a tough stretch of matches that definitely doesn’t help things. Their first two months things looked better. I just think they’re not that good.
 
Chimaera said:
I think there’s argument to be made that they’re in a tough stretch of matches that definitely doesn’t help things. Their first two months things looked better. I just think they’re not that good.
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For sure. Even if they stick with Arteta, they aren’t going to finish in 14th ffs. I don’t see anyone saying they are of near relegation level quality.
 
Evilo said:
So you're saying it's fine a mid table team (your terms) is playing like a relegation candidate?
Any other mid table team, he'd be fired.
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That’s not remotely what I’m saying. He’s been bad and deserves to get fired (perhaps already would be if Pogba hadn’t gifted them a pen/win at Old Trafford). But firing him doesn’t fix the club.

It makes them less bad sure, but even a good manager would struggle to have this club live up to what any would consider an Arsenal standard.
 
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