Around the NHL XXXIX

[OmniSens]

Doughty is such a joke

 

[Silencio]

I'm liking this Shark jumping as much as anyone, but before we get too excited let's remember who won the Cup last year and the kind of start they had.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

There's nothing wrong with wanting the Sharks to crash and burn. Some of y'all can't differentiate with commenting on their record and making a thread dedicated to their demise, including wishing injury. There's none of that on the board.

Yeah, I didn't care at all about the Avs board tracking our pick. I found it more annoying that so many Sens fans got so bent. I can already see it starting here. Its gonna be the same deal if the Sharks continue to stay where there are, though I doubt they do stay near the bottom but who knows. A few more loses in a row though and they might dig themselves such a deep hole, they can't get out.

 

[Xspyrit]

Lots of people around these parts were very quick to be offended by Avs fans doing the same and said they'd never do such a thing. I'm sure there's already a few hypocrites after 3 whole games for the Sharks.

If we stay respectful about their bad fortunes then it’s not a problem since it’s a natural thing. Imagine Sharks miss the playoffs and win the lottery and we fall back only to second for once, we end up with Lafreniere and Byfield lol. Melnyk really don’t deserve that turn of events but we do; then he should be able to get his price for the franchise and we’ll be happy campers again.

The Sharks pick could really fast forward our rebuild like crazy with the quality of this draft, so if the Sharks were to have a bad season, please be this one. But let’s not laugh at them or be cocky about it. That’s all

Avs fans were taunting like crazy last season and they deserved that bad karma

But yeah please NO THREAD

couture
meier
hertl
kane
thornton
labanc
marleau
burns
karlsson

is still quite a bit of fire power i'd say.

It’s not like before, aging players has a lot of impact now since the league is getting so fast and so young. Thornton and Marleau won’t be able to do much. Burns, Couture and Vlasic are getting older; EK went through a lot (injuries, personal life, etc) and will need time to get back to form... The parity in the league is higher than it ever been, look at the Sens the year after the ECF and you see that things can turn around badly quickly, even though they had Karlsson, Stone, Duchene, Hoffman, Dzingel, young Chabot, etc. They finished 2nd last

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I see the situations being very different.

San Jose received Erik Karlsson, they extended him throughout the rest of his prime. The same year they made the trade, they made the conference final and were a game away from the cup final. What they paid for Erik Karlsson was peanuts. Depending on how the top prospects project when the draft comes around, it would take the pick landing in the top 2-5 of the draft before when can even consider discussing whether San Jose lost the trade. We're excusing hyperbolic "OMG IS EK DONE" main board threads. Also, Demelo's +/- or Tierney having more assists than Stone will not be figured in here.....

We OVERPAID for Duchene BEFORE accounting for Colorado getting the 4th overall pick. Adding Matt Duchene gave our team no benefits like adding Karlsson did for San Jose. We finished second last in the league after adding Matt Duchene. The entire situation was one of the biggest hockey trade disasters of at least the cap era.

If Sens fans are jerks, none of the above excuses it. I have no issue with Colorado fans celebrating our losses last year, especially not on their main boards which traditionally is a "safe space" for specific fans. But I do think some of the things like the pick tracking website and how some of the fans behaved on the main boards was lame in a kicking someone when they are down way.

It's silly to expect a fan base NOT to get excited when a team whose pick they have are losing. But there's a way to do it without being a jerk.

 

[Crosside]

Would be amazing !!! But just if he finnish bubble team and the pick was before 20 would be nice. And if we can move up to around 12 and pick Askarov or Lapierre or Rossi Would be a small victory

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Karlsson, Hertl, Meier & Labanc have combined for 1 assist thus far. Their goalies are giving up 4.15 goals per game. Edmonton and Anaheim are flying high.

None of these things are likely to continue.... the only ones that have a chance of continuing are Anaheim and Edmonton performing well. San Jose needs to turn it around in the next 5-10 games if they want to compete for the division, but right there is very little to get excited about as Sens fans just yet.

 

[Tuna99]

I'm liking this Shark jumping as much as anyone, but before we get too excited let's remember who won the Cup last year and the kind of start they had.

True, but doesn’t look like San Jose has an all star goalie in the system.

But, you never know.

I kinda feel bad for EK, but I’m cheering for his team to lose.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Doughty is such a joke

Yelling at Calgary Flames fans to “suck my dick” after scoring the goal in OT. That’s not cool, I hope the league actually does something about it.

 

[Micklebot]

I see the situations being very different.

San Jose received Erik Karlsson, they extended him throughout the rest of his prime. The same year they made the trade, they made the conference final and were a game away from the cup final. What they paid for Erik Karlsson was peanuts. Depending on how the top prospects project when the draft comes around, it would take the pick landing in the top 2-5 of the draft before when can even consider discussing whether San Jose lost the trade. We're excusing hyperbolic "OMG IS EK DONE" main board threads. Also, Demelo's +/- or Tierney having more assists than Stone will not be figured in here.....

We OVERPAID for Duchene BEFORE accounting for Colorado getting the 4th overall pick. Adding Matt Duchene gave our team no benefits like adding Karlsson did for San Jose. We finished second last in the league after adding Matt Duchene. The entire situation was one of the biggest hockey trade disasters of at least the cap era.

If Sens fans are jerks, none of the above excuses it. I have no issue with Colorado fans celebrating our losses last year, especially not on their main boards which traditionally is a "safe space" for specific fans. But I do think some of the things like the pick tracking website and how some of the fans behaved on the main boards was lame in a kicking someone when they are down way.

It's silly to expect a fan base NOT to get excited when a team whose pick they have are losing. But there's a way to do it without being a jerk.

Nothing wrong with discussing it or being excited about it, though imo it's far too early to get hopes up .

My personal take is that we can discuss it within the "around the NHL" thread, at least until we get to the stage where we are down to the last few games of the season and a win or two could affect where the pick eventually lands.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Nothing wrong with discussing it or being excited about it, though imo it's far too early to get hopes up .

My personal take is that we can discuss it within the "around the NHL" thread, at least until we get to the stage where we are down to the last few games of the season and a win or two could affect where the pick eventually lands.

Do you mean to say we "can't" discuss it until?

I agree that it's way too early to have any realistic expectations. I don't blame people for latching on to one of the few positive things to happen to this team even if it is wayyyy too early for those losses to mean much. It's also an ongoing storyline all season. If San Jose was 3-0, I would still be paying attention and interested in discussing their progress becuase it directly affects the Senators. It's not just oh man they are losing let's discuss it. It's we have their pick, it's relevant to us, let's discuss it.

 

[Micklebot]

Do you mean to say we "can't" discuss it until?

I agree that it's way too early to have any realistic expectations. I don't blame people for latching on to one of the few positive things to happen to this team even if it is wayyyy too early for those losses to mean much. It's also an ongoing storyline all season. If San Jose was 3-0, I would still be paying attention and interested in discussing their progress becuase it directly affects the Senators. It's not just oh man they are losing let's discuss it. It's we have their pick, it's relevant to us, let's discuss it.

Personally, I see no issue with people talking about SJ's season and how it impacts the pick we acquired from them in the "around the NHL thread" (here). What I do feel is a bit "gauche" is starting a thread specifically to discuss that.

Some may disagree, that's just how I see it.

 

[Alex1234]

We suck at EVERY hockey department except for one LHD and one LW
We should just s*fu honestly

 

[coladin]

Man, sounded like Pierre McGuire hit the panic button this morning on the Sharks. He feels they are, already, in danger of missing the playoffs.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Man, sounded like Pierre McGuire hit the panic button this morning on the Sharks. He feels they are, already, in danger of missing the playoffs.

The Sharks have looked dreadful. They signed Marleau for a reason, management knows that this could fall off the rails in a hurry. The classic saying is "you don't make the playoffs in the early going but you can sure miss them".

Still early of course but the early going is about as bad as it can be. EK65 has been especially awful which is really depressing to see.

 

[stempniaksen]

Brent Burns looks completely toast as well. I actually think EK (as un-EK like as he's been) is very far down their list of problems.

Another interesting sub plot in the Sharks season is Kevin Labanc, who signed an extremely team friendly one year deal, presumably with the expectation he'd cash in next off-season. The guy straight up has not looked like an NHL'er so far this year. There's still a lot of runway left, but 0 points (and a -7) in 4 games aint the recipe for a big payday.

 

[GrantLemons]

I was really concerned for the Sharks with no Pavelski. As we know all too well around these parts, removing key guys like him from the dressing room can be extremely detrimental to a team. He definitely seemed like the straw that stirred that drink, and now that he's gone, it leaves a big leadership void in the room, as well as his ~30 goals per season on the ice.

I think they can definitely get it on track, but I'm not surprised they're stumbling out of the gate after losing Pavs. It's such a huge hole to fill.

 

[Xspyrit]

I see the situations being very different.

San Jose received Erik Karlsson, they extended him throughout the rest of his prime. The same year they made the trade, they made the conference final and were a game away from the cup final. What they paid for Erik Karlsson was peanuts. Depending on how the top prospects project when the draft comes around, it would take the pick landing in the top 2-5 of the draft before when can even consider discussing whether San Jose lost the trade. We're excusing hyperbolic "OMG IS EK DONE" main board threads. Also, Demelo's +/- or Tierney having more assists than Stone will not be figured in here.....

We OVERPAID for Duchene BEFORE accounting for Colorado getting the 4th overall pick. Adding Matt Duchene gave our team no benefits like adding Karlsson did for San Jose. We finished second last in the league after adding Matt Duchene. The entire situation was one of the biggest hockey trade disasters of at least the cap era.

If Sens fans are jerks, none of the above excuses it. I have no issue with Colorado fans celebrating our losses last year, especially not on their main boards which traditionally is a "safe space" for specific fans. But I do think some of the things like the pick tracking website and how some of the fans behaved on the main boards was lame in a kicking someone when they are down way.

It's silly to expect a fan base NOT to get excited when a team whose pick they have are losing. But there's a way to do it without being a jerk.

Josh Norris
Rudolf Balcers
SJ 1st (could be quite high)
Florida 2nd
SJ 1st
Chris Tierney (return?)
Dylan DeMelo

Gosh I like me some peanuts

Actually, both situations were very similar, they paid a heavy price to acquire a top player except that Ottawa made the ECF just before the trade, and SJ made the ECF just after. Like I said, I love EK but people have to stop acting like EK was still in his Norris prime. He will be 30 y/o in May and has suffered significant injuries. Not saying he shouldn't have been a Senator for life but regardless... injuries do affect players value quite a lot

The following section is with today's hindsight, not what happened at the time of the trade

Josh Norris vs Kyle Turris (Norris might end up quite more useful than Turris at 6.0 for 6 years)
Rudolf Balcers vs Shane Bowers (Balcers should easily be better)
SJ 1st vs 4th OA in 2019 (2020 draft is better/deeper)
Florida 2nd > Ottawa's 3rd
SJ 2nd > nothing
Chris Tierney (return?) > nothing
Dylan DeMelo (return?) > nothing
Hammond's salary dump > nothing

100% agree with your last 2 paragraphs, of course we're going to be excited if the Sharks bomb their season but let's not be jerks about it.

Depending on the Sharks 1st, IMO if it ends up top-10, the return for Karlsson will be much better than Duchene's

 

[Beville]

Dorion really should have just traded Hoffman before the GF controversy broke out.

Some might call it underhanded, but it's not like Hoffman's playing ability is affected by it, so it's BS we got such a bad return.

Or if we knew we had no intention of keeping Karlsson, keep him.

Instead we have some BS drama and lose both players. Only in Ottawa eh?

 

[stempniaksen]

Josh Norris
Rudolf Balcers
SJ 1st (could be quite high)
Florida 2nd
SJ 1st
Chris Tierney (return?)
Dylan DeMelo

Gosh I like me some peanuts

Actually, both situations were very similar, they paid a heavy price to acquire a top player except that Ottawa made the ECF just before the trade, and SJ made the ECF just after. Like I said, I love EK but people have to stop acting like EK was still in his Norris prime. He will 30 y/o in May and has suffered significant injuries. Not saying he shouldn't have been a Senator for life but

Josh Norris vs Kyle Turris (Norris might end up quite more useful than Turris at 6.0 for 6 years)
Rudolf Balcers vs Shane Bowers (Balcers should easily be better)
SJ 1st vs 4th OA in 2019 (2020 draft is better/deeper)
Florida 2nd > Ottawa's 3rd
SJ 2nd > nothing
Chris Tierney (return?) > nothing
Dylan DeMelo (return?) > nothing
Hammond's salary dump > nothing

100% agree with your last 2 paragraphs, of course we're going to be excited if the Sharks bomb their season but let's not be jerks about it.

Depending on the Sharks, IMO if it ends up top-10, the return for Karlsson will be much better than Duchene's

This just seems like a disingenuous way to present the deal, imo.

Regardless of how Turris is viewed now, at the time of the deal he was a 1B/2A center in the prime of his career. If Norris even gets to that point we'll be thrilled, but he wasn't dealt as some known commodity.

Also, it's REALLY optimistic (imo) to say that Balcers should "easily" be better. He may have a higher offensive ceiling, but Bowers is bigger, more physical and rounding out as a better defensive player. The odds are higher that they both settle in as 3rd liners with vastly different roles than one being significantly better overall than the other.

Lastly, unless the Sharks completely bottom out (certainly possible, but I wouldn't call it probable) odds are that the Sens will have given up a higher 1st round pick. Regardless of 2020 being better/deeper there's no guarantee Ottawa picks anyone in the same stratosphere as Byram (who probably goes top-five/six in the hypothetical world where he's a 2020 pick).

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Man, sounded like Pierre McGuire hit the panic button this morning on the Sharks. He feels they are, already, in danger of missing the playoffs.

Never trust any prediction you hear from Pierre McGuire.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

f*** San Jose, they've been ripping us off in trades for years.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Never trust any prediction you hear from Pierre McGuire.

He did not predict, he never predicts anything. He just said he was worried/concerned and who wouldn't be after seeing how bad SJ has been.

 

[Cat Herder]

Ok we own their pick. Now let's not discuss anything else till we know what number that pick is.

Why? Not like I am going into their forum and posting crap? So we are to ignore the fact we have a pick from them until we know what it is? Why dont we stop speculating on who might get traded at the deadline until it happens too

 

[Cat Herder]

There's nothing wrong with wanting the Sharks to crash and burn. Some of y'all can't differentiate with commenting on their record and making a thread dedicated to their demise, including wishing injury. There's none of that on the board.

well to be fair, I made a thread to track it yesterday and a Mod thought it was too soon to do that so they merged it here. (dumb rule IMO .. let us create threads and the ones that are not popular will fall off the 1st page)