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Who know of the percentages, but pro athletes are targeted by women all the time. IIRC it was the 30 for 30 "Broke" where they talked about women trying to get pregnant by athletes to get big child support payments.
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They legit have plans devised to screw athletes like that over. I remember that one episode on Ray Donovan that cracked me up, where an athlete has sex with a random and she runs out of the room and spits it into a cup and a dude is waiting outside with a cooler.
You'd think that was far fetched, I'd put money on it being not.
But of course, for every girl that tries that, there is the girl that really isn't trying to get rich off some scheme.
You'd think that was far fetched, I'd put money on it being not.
But of course, for every girl that tries that, there is the girl that really isn't trying to get rich off some scheme.
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I guess the % of female con artists is higher with sports guys but in general the % of women who were really raped is more than twice the % of fake ones.
Also add the fact that Kane is a ****ing jerk when he's drunk & that fake % goes down although she might have been aware of his bad rep. which i doubt. If she wanted to scam him why did she go with her girl friend (was she in for it too?) & why was she bitten & had a mark on her leg? Smells like assault to me but then again, it's just speculation.
Also add the fact that Kane is a ****ing jerk when he's drunk & that fake % goes down although she might have been aware of his bad rep. which i doubt. If she wanted to scam him why did she go with her girl friend (was she in for it too?) & why was she bitten & had a mark on her leg? Smells like assault to me but then again, it's just speculation.
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The worst part is that we as a society are quick to jump to the "She's trying to extort money" excuse.
How many felt that way when Big Ben got in trouble? Kobe Bryant threw money at his problem and some how got away with it and countless other athletes.
The saddest part is that this girl, to avoid public humiliation from nut jobs that will give Kane 100% of the benefit of the doubt (hey he could be innocent) will drive her to settle out of court because Kane's camp is going to want to avoid a conviction unless it's in a state where the laws are going to void that.
I mean the part that really tells me that this isn't some extortion plot is that she went and got a rape kit done, I don't remember any of the other cases for Big Ben or Kobe being that case, if anything they got their PR guys and cut a fat cheque to quiet up the girls and moved on.
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Big Ben's "girl" in the Georgia case got a rape kit done actually, despite that, and the officer's comments, people still believed she was extorting money.
http://www.sbnation.com/2011-super-...n-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-superbowl-xlv
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Not commenting one way or another about the Ben thing, but wearing a nametag as a joke shouldn't have any baring on her case.
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http://totalsororitymove.com/frat-g...making-out-with-someone-else-sues-university/
This is the **** I was talking about earlier.
This is the **** I was talking about earlier.
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In a he said she said case it's absolutely going to influence how people view her.
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How people view her, sure. Her friends said the tag was an inside joke. Wearing a joke nametag isn't the same as consent, and had charges been filed it would not have affected her case in any justice system worth a damn.
Again, not commenting on the Ben situation in general, just your particular comment. Your statement came off as **** shaming/victim blaming.
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How people (the jury) view her would have been damn near the whole case. Nobody ever even tried to contest that they had sex. The case would have been her side trying to convince a jury that she didn't consent to sex, and his side saying that she did consent to sex. It would be an almost purely character battle. I don't know how you think his defense wouldn't have pointed at that name tag as a small piece of evidence to support a reasonable doubt. Was it proof of anything? Absolutely not. But it certainly didn't help her case. Nothing about that is **** shaming or victim blaming. I never said anything negative about her having sex with him. And I'm not blaming her for anything. I'm saying the name tag would have been a small piece pointing towards a reasonable doubt.
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I took 'people' to mean the public and sports fans, not people involved in the law side of the story. And again I have not commented on Ben's situation, and will not. It's in the past.
My issue is solely with how you presented your comment in terms of the conversation.
When someone says "Big Ben's "girl" in the Georgia case got a rape kit done actually, despite that, and the officer's comments, people still believed she was extorting money" and your immediate response is "The DTF nametag she was wearing really didn't help her case," it comes off as if you're saying that it is reasonable to assume that she was after money/lying because of something she was wearing.
If that wasn't your intent, then I apologize, but that's the way it seemed in the context of the conversation, and that's the type of attitude that I feel society needs to move away from while discussing sexual assault cases.
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There are also too many people quick to call someone a criminal before anyone is even charged. That's an attitude towards most anyone accused of a crime that I feel society also needs to move away from.
I don't think anyone would have an issue with me saying that a guy accused of rape may be innocent. But if I say a girl who is accusing a guy of rape may be lying/exaggerating/whatever, I would be called out for **** shaming or victim blaming. But if I believe the first thing, then the second thing absolutely has to follow.
I don't think anyone would have an issue with me saying that a guy accused of rape may be innocent. But if I say a girl who is accusing a guy of rape may be lying/exaggerating/whatever, I would be called out for **** shaming or victim blaming. But if I believe the first thing, then the second thing absolutely has to follow.
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I don't disagree with your first paragraph.
As for your second, I don't think many would take a non-committal "he could be innocent and she could be lying or vice versa" type of comment as victim blaming or offensive. In a case where few details are known, that's pretty much all there is to say.
The types of comments that prompt negative reactions are ones that:
1. Imply that women lie in a majority of cases
2. Imply that a woman lying/being after money is the most likely scenario
3. Imply that a woman put herself in the situation based on where she was or what she was wearing
Again, in the context of your initial post, I felt to be along the lines of #3, and I apologized if that was mistakenly interpreted.
But I don't agree that you would be called out for **** shaming or victim blaming for taking a non-committal perspective.
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I didn't mean any of those things. I meant that when forming an opinion on limited information (jury or public opinion), things like that name tag will influence people's opinion of the person's character. The guy's character is judged for everything he does too. Again, its a far cry from proof of anything. But to to say the name tag didn't help her case (or public image) is accurate imo. Not saying she was lying, not saying most women lie, and I'm not blaming her for doing anything wrong. I'm saying things like that can slightly sway people to believe there is a reasonable doubt to her story and that he may be telling the truth.
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Well either way Goodell made his point that game at the cost of the rest of the steelers who did nothing wrong. The packers were allowed to hold so much Rogers had all day to throw.
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You may be right, but a name tag shouldn't influence their opinion. That's part of the problem.
Ogrezilla
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judging people based on little to no information is definitely a problem. In these cases, it seems like just enough information is released to be dangerous. Not enough to actually inform people, but enough that people then start fabricating ideas around the little bits of information that they do have. I really wish media outlets weren't allowed to report on these things with names and whatnot, at least until after its over.
Wes C Addle
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Hell must have frozen over....or every other person involved with hockey has already received this award. Those are the only two possible explanations.
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Jacobs? Bwahahaha i guess we should be thankful that he was so greedy during the Ray Bourque era or the Bruins could easily have won a cup or two.
Jacobs? The guy who made his staff (equipment guys, trainers, etc) pay the ~$7k USD tax on the Bruins Stanley Cup rings from a few years ago?
Yeah, that guy's a complete ****ing pile of ****. Just another in the list of reasons NHL awards don't mean **** all.
Yeah, that guy's a complete ****ing pile of ****. Just another in the list of reasons NHL awards don't mean **** all.
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