Every time I hear the Oilers play La Bamba I can feel my ancestors rolling in their grave
Don't look up why they play it then!
Every time I hear the Oilers play La Bamba I can feel my ancestors rolling in their grave
I know why they play it. I also know what passes for mexican food in that province.Don't look up why they play it then!
I know why they play it. I also know what passes for mexican food in that province.
In Tennessee we have this great authentic Mexican food place called Taco Bell. You should try it.I know why they play it. I also know what passes for mexican food in that province.
It's more the point of when you're taking a song from a certain culture but don't really have representation of the culture that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit.I commonly see people complaining about food from various places, do people actually care?
In Tennessee we have this great authentic Mexican food place called Taco Bell. You should try it.
I hear ya bro.Sure, although Verbeek is still working through the supply that Murray left him.
I was the same way; once the Ducks were gone, I didn't care. Now I can watch whatever and usually enjoy it. I just miss that rush of excitement sitting down to watch my favorite team play playoff hockey. There's nothing quite like it.
In Tennessee we have this great authentic Mexican food place called Taco Bell. You should try it.
that ship sailed a long time ago. any return for gibson at this point won't be anything worthwhileGoaltending in these playoffs has not been good.
Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing for a potential Gibson trade.
You can argue about the return, but it certainly looks like trading Manson was the right call. Been a rapid decline over the last two seasons
Murray got a 3rd a few years back. A 3rd for a team like the ducks couldn't hurt.that ship sailed a long time ago. any return for gibson at this point won't be anything worthwhile
One of the worst things about growing up in So Cal and then moving away is not realizing how spoiled you are when it comes to abundant, top notch proper Mexican food. I miss it!It's more the point of when you're taking a song from a certain culture but don't really have representation of the culture that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit.
At the end of the day it is just a song so I'm not gonna start screaming about appropriation but I'm still gonna make some side eyed looks to my friends when a bunch of white people are singing a mexican song and have zero understanding of the history associated with it and only like it because some kid also liked it.
Jk
I dabble in Taco Bell sometimes as well.
It's more the point of when you're taking a song from a certain culture but don't really have representation of the culture that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit.
At the end of the day it is just a song so I'm not gonna start screaming about appropriation but I'm still gonna make some side eyed looks to my friends when a bunch of white people are singing a mexican song and have zero understanding of the history associated with it and only like it because some kid also liked it.
Jk
I dabble in Taco Bell sometimes as well.
That's a lovely tribute, but it doesn't really respond to her point about people liking a thing without knowing why it mattered to the people who made it. Actually it kind of proves her point.As a person who teaches music, music is meant to be shared and enjoyed by all.
Edit: La Bamba is played because it was the favorite song of Joey Moss, long serving towel boy for the Oilers who passed away a couple years ago. Joey was a prominent symbol of hope for people with Downs Syndrome and the disabled community at large for what can be achieved. And the "some kid" you references was a young boy who has also since passed away from cancer that just happened to love the song as well.
That's a lovely tribute, but it doesn't really respond to her point about people liking a thing without knowing why it mattered to the people who made it. Actually it kind of proves her point.
Maybe you're right, but you can admit that's a pretty self-serving interpretation, right? And focusing on the feelings of the original writers narrows the scope beyond the premise, which was about repurposing a current culture's thing for your own uses. Which again kinda proves the point that the cultural aspect is being pushed aside.I think it means quite the opposite. If the original writers of the song knew the wide reach it would achieve, I think they'd be pumped. Art doesn't need to be fully understood to be appreciated and has different meanings for everyone, that's why it's beautiful.
Maybe you're right, but you can admit that's a pretty self-serving interpretation, right? And focusing on the feelings of the original writers narrows the scope beyond the premise, which was about repurposing a current culture's thing for your own uses. Which again kinda proves the point that the cultural aspect is being pushed aside.
I agree with you about art! But it seems like, to some, the WAY in which some art is appreciated can be irksome, so it's not necessarily about appreciating art per se.
Without disagreeing with the sentiment, what part of the Oilers playing La Bamba is meant to appreciate other cultures?Could be. I guess I don't really buy into the cultural appropriation thing, I think it's a beautiful thing that things like the internet have made the world a smaller place where we get to appreciate and borrow from other cultures.
Without disagreeing with the sentiment, what part of the Oilers playing La Bamba is meant to appreciate other cultures?
This is kind of my point. You think it's just a happy song but if you did even a basic search, sifted past all the Oilers stuff, you'd see it a Mexican folk song about the murder of slaves in Veracruz. It just sounds upbeat because that's just how Mexicans are, they try to make even the most tragic things into a celebration (see Dia de Los Muertos).It's a celebration, it's played to get people moving (which I think is the point of that song). It's no deeper than that
This is kind of my point. You think it's just a happy song but if you did even a basic search, sifted past all the Oilers stuff, you'd see it a Mexican folk song about the murder of slaves in Veracruz. It just sounds upbeat because that's just how Mexicans are, they try to make even the most tragic things into a celebration (see Dia de Los Muertos).
Then it got released into the American zeitgeist in the 1950s thanks to Ritchie Valens. A song completely in Spanish during a time where kids were harshly punished for speaking Spanish in schools in America. You can imagine how much that meant to Mexican-Americans at the time, only a generation removed from the US government's Mexican Repatriation policy. And since then it hasn't really gotten better for Mexican-Americans here. But they keep playing the song at weddings, birthdays and other gatherings.
It's great people in Canada love it and the Oilers want to use to honor people in their organization but it is disingenuous to use it and not even acknowledge the origin, history or culture of the song. What things have the Oilers done for Mexicans in Alberta? Do they offer Spanish language broadcasts like the Ducks, King, Sharks, Stars, Panthers and others have done? Is there special jerseys they've released celebrating Mexican culture? Have they expressed interest in playing an international game in Mexico? I'm seeing a lot of "taking" from Mexican culture but not a lot of giving. That's my issue with it.
As I said before, it is a song at the end of the day, so I'm not going to call up the ghost of Cesar Chavez to haunt Rogers Place. And I will admit there is a bit more resentment with them using it because I hate the Oilers. But don't pretend it is completely innocent on the Oilers part.