Around the NHL - (Playoffs Edition)

[ohcomeonref]

Every time I hear the Oilers play La Bamba I can feel my ancestors rolling in their grave

Don't look up why they play it then!

 

[duckaroosky]

Don't look up why they play it then!

I know why they play it. I also know what passes for mexican food in that province.

 

[ohcomeonref]

I know why they play it. I also know what passes for mexican food in that province.

I commonly see people complaining about food from various places, do people actually care?

 

[Gliff]

I know why they play it. I also know what passes for mexican food in that province.

In Tennessee we have this great authentic Mexican food place called Taco Bell. You should try it.

 

[duckaroosky]

I commonly see people complaining about food from various places, do people actually care?

It's more the point of when you're taking a song from a certain culture but don't really have representation of the culture that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit.

At the end of the day it is just a song so I'm not gonna start screaming about appropriation but I'm still gonna make some side eyed looks to my friends when a bunch of white people are singing a mexican song and have zero understanding of the history associated with it and only like it because some kid also liked it.

In Tennessee we have this great authentic Mexican food place called Taco Bell. You should try it.

Jk
I dabble in Taco Bell sometimes as well.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Sure, although Verbeek is still working through the supply that Murray left him.

I was the same way; once the Ducks were gone, I didn't care. Now I can watch whatever and usually enjoy it. I just miss that rush of excitement sitting down to watch my favorite team play playoff hockey. There's nothing quite like it.

I hear ya bro.

 

[la patineuse]

In Tennessee we have this great authentic Mexican food place called Taco Bell. You should try it.

OT: There is a great episode of David Chang's Ugly Delicious series on Netflix that is all about tacos. One of the contributors to the episode, Gustavo Arellano (who is a columnist for the LA Times), traces the origins of the Taco Bell taco to San Bernardino where George Bell had a restaurant across the street from a Mexican restaurant called the Mitla Cafe which was known for its hard-shelled taco. Bell tried to reverse engineer how their tacos were made and he then adapted/ripped off their tacos and sold his mass-produced version that would become the foundation for his Taco Bell franchises. Chang, Arellano, the late Jonathan Gold (RIP) and Peter Meehan (former Food Editor at the LA Times) went on a taco crawl in DTLA that included a Taco Bell/KFC drive through, lol.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

You can argue about the return, but it certainly looks like trading Manson was the right call. Been a rapid decline over the last two seasons

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Goaltending in these playoffs has not been good.

Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing for a potential Gibson trade.

 

[Terry Yake]

Goaltending in these playoffs has not been good.

Not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing for a potential Gibson trade.

that ship sailed a long time ago. any return for gibson at this point won't be anything worthwhile

 

[FiveTacos]

You can argue about the return, but it certainly looks like trading Manson was the right call. Been a rapid decline over the last two seasons

Rakell too. And Deslauriers. All three, you could probably get back right now as a cap dump for practically nothing. Thing is the way they're playing you might not want any of them.

Even Lindholm has had some slippage, yet is signed for another 6 years.

The old Bill Walsh philosophy was better to get rid of a guy a year too early, rather than a year too late. And unlike non guaranteed deals in the NFL, getting rid of a guy late in the NHL might mean you're stuck with him for multiple years.

 

[Terry Yake]

would've preferred to keep deslauriers, but completely fine with all the other trades. there was no reason at all to keep guys like lindholm, rakell, or manson

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

that ship sailed a long time ago. any return for gibson at this point won't be anything worthwhile

Murray got a 3rd a few years back. A 3rd for a team like the ducks couldn't hurt.

 

[TheGoodShepard1]

My biggest takeaway from the playoffs this year is that for all the draft capital we’ve spent on forwards in the top 10, I’d make the argument if we go D this year, this may be the most important pick we make in this era (unless Minty or Zellweger make massive strides in their development). The team cannot be a true Cup contender without the all-situations 1D, they have to get it right.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

It's more the point of when you're taking a song from a certain culture but don't really have representation of the culture that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit.

At the end of the day it is just a song so I'm not gonna start screaming about appropriation but I'm still gonna make some side eyed looks to my friends when a bunch of white people are singing a mexican song and have zero understanding of the history associated with it and only like it because some kid also liked it.

Jk
I dabble in Taco Bell sometimes as well.

One of the worst things about growing up in So Cal and then moving away is not realizing how spoiled you are when it comes to abundant, top notch proper Mexican food. I miss it!

 

[ohcomeonref]

It's more the point of when you're taking a song from a certain culture but don't really have representation of the culture that makes me raise my eyebrows a bit.

At the end of the day it is just a song so I'm not gonna start screaming about appropriation but I'm still gonna make some side eyed looks to my friends when a bunch of white people are singing a mexican song and have zero understanding of the history associated with it and only like it because some kid also liked it.

Jk
I dabble in Taco Bell sometimes as well.

As a person who teaches music, music is meant to be shared and enjoyed by all.

Edit: La Bamba is played because it was the favorite song of Joey Moss, long serving towel boy for the Oilers who passed away a couple years ago. Joey was a prominent symbol of hope for people with Downs Syndrome and the disabled community at large for what can be achieved. And the "some kid" you referenced was a young boy who has also since passed away from cancer that just happened to love the song as well.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Getzky had a special bond with Joey and actually got Joey his job with the Oilers. A job that turned into a lifetime career.

This is a beautiful tribute to Joey from Wayne...

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

As a person who teaches music, music is meant to be shared and enjoyed by all.

Edit: La Bamba is played because it was the favorite song of Joey Moss, long serving towel boy for the Oilers who passed away a couple years ago. Joey was a prominent symbol of hope for people with Downs Syndrome and the disabled community at large for what can be achieved. And the "some kid" you references was a young boy who has also since passed away from cancer that just happened to love the song as well.

That's a lovely tribute, but it doesn't really respond to her point about people liking a thing without knowing why it mattered to the people who made it. Actually it kind of proves her point.

 

[ohcomeonref]

That's a lovely tribute, but it doesn't really respond to her point about people liking a thing without knowing why it mattered to the people who made it. Actually it kind of proves her point.

I think it means quite the opposite. If the original writers of the song knew the wide reach it would achieve, I think they'd be pumped. Art doesn't need to be fully understood to be appreciated and has different meanings for everyone, that's why it's beautiful.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I think it means quite the opposite. If the original writers of the song knew the wide reach it would achieve, I think they'd be pumped. Art doesn't need to be fully understood to be appreciated and has different meanings for everyone, that's why it's beautiful.

Maybe you're right, but you can admit that's a pretty self-serving interpretation, right? And focusing on the feelings of the original writers narrows the scope beyond the premise, which was about repurposing a current culture's thing for your own uses. Which again kinda proves the point that the cultural aspect is being pushed aside.

I agree with you about art! But it seems like, to some, the WAY in which some art is appreciated can be irksome, so it's not necessarily about appreciating art per se.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Maybe you're right, but you can admit that's a pretty self-serving interpretation, right? And focusing on the feelings of the original writers narrows the scope beyond the premise, which was about repurposing a current culture's thing for your own uses. Which again kinda proves the point that the cultural aspect is being pushed aside.

I agree with you about art! But it seems like, to some, the WAY in which some art is appreciated can be irksome, so it's not necessarily about appreciating art per se.

Could be. I guess I don't really buy into the cultural appropriation thing, I think it's a beautiful thing that things like the internet have made the world a smaller place where we get to appreciate and borrow from other cultures.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Could be. I guess I don't really buy into the cultural appropriation thing, I think it's a beautiful thing that things like the internet have made the world a smaller place where we get to appreciate and borrow from other cultures.

Without disagreeing with the sentiment, what part of the Oilers playing La Bamba is meant to appreciate other cultures?

 

[ohcomeonref]

Without disagreeing with the sentiment, what part of the Oilers playing La Bamba is meant to appreciate other cultures?

It's a celebration, it's played to get people moving (which I think is the point of that song). It's no deeper than that

 

[duckaroosky]

It's a celebration, it's played to get people moving (which I think is the point of that song). It's no deeper than that

This is kind of my point. You think it's just a happy song but if you did even a basic search, sifted past all the Oilers stuff, you'd see it a Mexican folk song about the murder of slaves in Veracruz. It just sounds upbeat because that's just how Mexicans are, they try to make even the most tragic things into a celebration (see Dia de Los Muertos).

Then it got released into the American zeitgeist in the 1950s thanks to Ritchie Valens. A song completely in Spanish during a time where kids were harshly punished for speaking Spanish in schools in America. You can imagine how much that meant to Mexican-Americans at the time, only a generation removed from the US government's Mexican Repatriation policy. And since then it hasn't really gotten better for Mexican-Americans here. But they keep playing the song at weddings, birthdays and other gatherings.

It's great people in Canada love it and the Oilers want to use to honor people in their organization but it is disingenuous to use it and not even acknowledge the origin, history or culture of the song. What things have the Oilers done for Mexicans in Alberta? Do they offer Spanish language broadcasts like the Ducks, King, Sharks, Stars, Panthers and others have done? Is there special jerseys they've released celebrating Mexican culture? Have they expressed interest in playing an international game in Mexico? I'm seeing a lot of "taking" from Mexican culture but not a lot of giving. That's my issue with it.

As I said before, it is a song at the end of the day, so I'm not going to call up the ghost of Cesar Chavez to haunt Rogers Place. And I will admit there is a bit more resentment with them using it because I hate the Oilers. But don't pretend it is completely innocent on the Oilers part.

 

[ohcomeonref]

This is kind of my point. You think it's just a happy song but if you did even a basic search, sifted past all the Oilers stuff, you'd see it a Mexican folk song about the murder of slaves in Veracruz. It just sounds upbeat because that's just how Mexicans are, they try to make even the most tragic things into a celebration (see Dia de Los Muertos).

Then it got released into the American zeitgeist in the 1950s thanks to Ritchie Valens. A song completely in Spanish during a time where kids were harshly punished for speaking Spanish in schools in America. You can imagine how much that meant to Mexican-Americans at the time, only a generation removed from the US government's Mexican Repatriation policy. And since then it hasn't really gotten better for Mexican-Americans here. But they keep playing the song at weddings, birthdays and other gatherings.

It's great people in Canada love it and the Oilers want to use to honor people in their organization but it is disingenuous to use it and not even acknowledge the origin, history or culture of the song. What things have the Oilers done for Mexicans in Alberta? Do they offer Spanish language broadcasts like the Ducks, King, Sharks, Stars, Panthers and others have done? Is there special jerseys they've released celebrating Mexican culture? Have they expressed interest in playing an international game in Mexico? I'm seeing a lot of "taking" from Mexican culture but not a lot of giving. That's my issue with it.

As I said before, it is a song at the end of the day, so I'm not going to call up the ghost of Cesar Chavez to haunt Rogers Place. And I will admit there is a bit more resentment with them using it because I hate the Oilers. But don't pretend it is completely innocent on the Oilers part.

Yeah, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one but I respect your opinion on the matter. And I appreciate you giving your side without being aggressive or disrespectful like a lot of people simply can't accomplish online!