Around the NHL - Part XLV (Playoffs edition)

[n8]

Based on absolutely nothing I kind of feel Vegas is a team Panarin would got to for a season. I'm not sure they really have much to offer compared to other places we could shop him to though

I would take Shea Theodore + Dorofeyev + 2026 2nd for Panarin + Vaakanainen. I think the increase in cap amount + Smith, Saad, Olofsson, Pearson coming off the books is sufficient.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Brett Howden scored a few goals but flat out got Lindgren’d in this playoff run.

 

[94leetch]

Real. Leafs are down big and Florida is the one starting the physical stuff. Usually the losing team goons it up. This is just garbage.

There's at least one game left.
Beat'em when they're down.
Killer instinct.

 

[duhmetreE]

DAL vs EDM should be good.

FLA vs CAR is as unexciting as it gets for me. East has some doodoo

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I hope people don't grow up like man-children who let their emotions take hold of the wheel and plow through everything in sight. I get that it's content but we all doomed of communicating like Steve Dangles is the seen as the norm in society.

I mean you said it, it’s content. A level headed take is not going to get views.

People are fascinated and entertained/enraged by the absurd. A large portion of our fan base falls for it with the likes of Bissonette (even thin skinned partial owners get rage baited) and while different, it’s why Skip Bayliss has a career despite not believing in 95% of what he says in front of a camera.

 

[zlev]

cant believe Toronto hired a Tuff Guy coach and ended up with exactly the same result as the last 5 seasons

 

[NickyFotiu]

Two things I hate

1) Goalies
2) Bad players

Ironically, I kinda f*** with bad goalies. They're fun. Love watching them beat the good goalies. Can't wait to see Skinner and Pickard lift the Cup.

With all due respect that isn't how it went last season. Bob was the goalie skating around with the cup despite Edmonton having the Conn Smythe winner.

 

[noncents]

how do we get nylander

 

[Machinehead]

With all due respect that isn't how it went last season. Bob was the goalie skating around with the cup despite Edmonton having the Conn Smythe winner.

Yeah after his .906 in the playoffs. Really carried his team.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know, I look at Steve Dangle screaming at MItch Marner last night and like, that's me with the Rangers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't know, I look at Steve Dangle screaming at MItch Marner last night and like, that's me with the Rangers.

You should record it and put it on the internet.

Get that ad revenue.

 

[LOFIN]

Steve Dangle is probably 30% accurate feels, 70% exaggerated act for content. This is what made him famous, and got him into hockey media. When he's on his podcast with Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake, he's nothing like that. Calm, and has very good takes and level headed opinions.

I don't really like his Leafs videos, reactions or that live stuff. Not for me, I agree that it's mostly annoying and not funny. But on and his buddies on their podcast? Probably one of the better hockey podcasts out there.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

cant believe Toronto hired a Tuff Guy coach and ended up with exactly the same result as the last 5 seasons

It's almost like coaches don't have as much of an impact as we think they do and the millionaire children have to f***ing produce results.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yeah after his .906 in the playoffs. Really carried his team.

When playing against the best player in the world and another top 5 player in the world I would say .906 is a pretty darn solid performance. Its not like he some ham and eggers shooting at him.

 

[Machinehead]

When playing against the best player in the world and another top 5 player in the world I would say .906 is a pretty darn solid performance. Its not like he some ham and eggers shooting at him.

It's just not. It's like saying 16 goals is a lot of goals.

It's annoying to keep hearing about Bobrovsky when it comes to a critique of goaltending because "the Panthers won with elite goaltending!"

He's 36 years old. He's not the same guy he used to be.

Also, nobody is saying you can't win with elite goaltending, but it's not necessary. A handful of teams have won with their AHL goaltender.

 

[NickyFotiu]

It's just not. It's like saying 16 goals is a lot of goals.

It's annoying to keep hearing about Bobrovsky when it comes to a critique of goaltending because "the Panthers won with elite goaltending!"

He's 36 years old. He's not the same guy he used to be.

Also, nobody is saying you can't win with elite goaltending, but it's not necessary. A handful of teams have won with their AHL goaltender.

Age catches up to us all at times so Bob probably is past his peak. I just disagree with the implication that goaltending does not matter. I doubt many former players would ever say that. Who are all these AHL level goalies with cup rings? How many cups were won by goalies who were all stars sometime in their careers?

 

[LOFIN]

Also, nobody is saying you can't win with elite goaltending, but it's not necessary. A handful of teams have won with their AHL goaltender.

The distinction is this: you can't win with bad goaltending, unless you are the Colorado Avalanche of 2022 and even they did get some timely saves in the end. You need good goaltending.

But you don't need to have an elite goaltender, to get good goaltending. Even mediocre goalies sometimes hit hot streaks, and ride it to a cup win. You know what usually helps mediocre goaltenders to get on those hot streaks? Good defence.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

how do we get nylander

Learn how to draft and develop

 

[Machinehead]

Age catches up to us all at times so Bob probably is passed his peak. I just disagree with the implication that goaltending does not matter. I doubt many former players would ever say that. Who are all these AHL level goalies with cup rings? How many cups were won by goalies who were all stars sometime in their careers?

Matt Murray was an AHL callup the year he won his first Cup and was out of league at 29.

Jordan Binnington was AHL callup the year he won the Cup and has been...fine? I guess.

Adin Hill was the AHL team's backup the year he won the Cup. Although he is pretty good now.

Cam Ward was an AHL callup for Carolina in 2006, and after winning the Cup, proceeded to be one of the worst goalies of all-time with a -56.4 GSAA.

That's what I meant by AHL goalies. They were in the AHL the year they won the Stanley Cup as starters in the playoffs, because the position is so valuable.

If you wanna talk strictly about caliber:

Darcy Kuemper won the Cup in 2022 and he's had a very solid career, but he was actively bad in the playoffs, posting a -2.1 GSAA. When Colorado got tired of that, he was relieved by Pavel Francouz who is no longer in the league. They won the Cup anyway.

Chicago won the Cup in 2010 backstopped by Antii Niemi who posted a -19.2 GSAA for his career and came in at -0.8 in the playoffs.

Jonathan Quick is a Hall of Fame goaltender, no denying that. He was atrocious in the 2014 playoffs, posting a -2.3 GSAA. His team won the Cup anyway.

Out of the top 30 performances in the playoffs by GSAA since 2008, only 4 of those have won the Stanley Cup.

It's not just bad goaltenders winning the Cup. It's mediocre to bad goaltending that's winning most of the Cups. Because it doesn't matter.

The distinction is this: you can't win with bad goaltending, unless you are the Colorado Avalanche of 2022 and even they did get some timely saves in the end. You need good goaltending.

But you don't need to have an elite goaltender, to get good goaltending. Even mediocre goalies sometimes hit hot streaks, and ride it to a cup win. You know what usually helps mediocre goaltenders to get on those hot streaks? Good defence.

The 2014 Kings, 2010 Blachkaws, and 2009 Penguins also won the Cup with their goaltender posting a negative GSAA during the playoffs.

Yes, more often than not, the Cup winner has hot goaltending, but the Cup winner literally getting bad goaltending in the playoffs is far from unheard of.

Only Quick (2012), Vasilevskiy (2021), Hill (2023), and Thomas (2011) were truly great during a Cup winning run. The same number of goaltenders since the lockout have been terrible in a Cup winning run.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Matt Murray was an AHL callup the year he won his first Cup and was out of league at 29.

Jordan Binnington was AHL callup the year he won the Cup and has been...fine? I guess.

Adin Hill was the AHL team's backup the year he won the Cup. Although he is pretty good now.

Cam Ward was an AHL callup for Carolina in 2006, and after winning the Cup, proceeded to be one of the worst goalies of all-time with a -56.4 GSAA.

That's what I meant by AHL goalies. They were in the AHL the year they won the Stanley Cup as starters in the playoffs, because the position is so valuable.

If you wanna talk strictly about caliber:

Darcy Kuemper won the Cup in 2022 and he's had a very solid career, but he was actively bad in the playoffs, posting a -2.1 GSAA. When Colorado got tired of that, he was relieved by Pavel Francouz who is no longer in the league. They won the Cup anyway.

Chicago won the Cup in 2010 backstopped by Antii Niemi who posted a -19.2 GSAA for his career and came in at -0.8 in the playoffs.

Jonathan Quick is a Hall of Fame goaltender, no denying that. He was atrocious in the 2014 playoffs, posting a -2.3 GSAA. His team won the Cup anyway.

Out of the top 30 performances in the playoffs by GSAA since 2008, only 4 of those have won the Stanley Cup.

It's not just bad goaltenders winning the Cup. It's mediocre to bad goaltending that's winning most of the Cups. Because it doesn't matter.

The 2014 Kings, 2010 Blachkaws, and 2009 Penguins also won the Cup with their goaltender posting a negative GSAA during the playoffs.

Yes, more often than not, the Cup winner has hot goaltending, but the Cup winner literally getting bad goaltending in the playoffs is far from unheard of.

Only Quick (2012), Vasilevskiy (2021), Hill (2023), and Thomas (2011) were truly great during a Cup winning run. The same number of goaltenders since the lockout have been terrible in a Cup winning run.

?

I see Quick at +9.2. Only Hank was higher.

 

[Machinehead]

?

I see Quick at +9.2. Only Hank was higher.

That's his GSAx. It is third-best in the tournament (Rask is also there).

Honestly, I don't know. His sv% was .911 and he got tagged for a 2.58 GAA which was kind of a lot in 2014.

All of his numbers are bad except for his GSAx. Were the 2013-14 Kings a dogshit defensive team? That would go against everyone's perception, that's for sure.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That's his GSAx. It is third-best in the tournament (Rask is also there).

Honestly, I don't know. His sv% was .911 and he got tagged for a 2.58 GAA which was kind of a lot in 2014.

All of his numbers are bad except for his GSAx. Were the 2013-14 Kings a dogshit defensive team? That would go against everyone's perception, that's for sure.

San Jose low key kicked the shit out of them that entire first round and some how lost.

I will say, SJ/ANA/CHI was kind of death row when considering what the West was back then. Im not surprised they had some numbers racked up against them.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

cant believe Toronto hired a Tuff Guy coach and ended up with exactly the same result as the last 5 seasons

They started trying to match Florida's gameplan when they should have just kept doing what was working in game 1 and 2. They aren't tough enough to play tough, they got away from their strengths and it's costing them

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Learn how to draft and develop

I'd take develop and be happy. Lafreniere, Miller, Chytil, Kakko, Kravtsov, Schneider and Robertson should have been a great core for this team for many years.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Matt Murray was an AHL callup the year he won his first Cup and was out of league at 29.

Jordan Binnington was AHL callup the year he won the Cup and has been...fine? I guess.

Adin Hill was the AHL team's backup the year he won the Cup. Although he is pretty good now.

Cam Ward was an AHL callup for Carolina in 2006, and after winning the Cup, proceeded to be one of the worst goalies of all-time with a -56.4 GSAA.

That's what I meant by AHL goalies. They were in the AHL the year they won the Stanley Cup as starters in the playoffs, because the position is so valuable.

If you wanna talk strictly about caliber:

Darcy Kuemper won the Cup in 2022 and he's had a very solid career, but he was actively bad in the playoffs, posting a -2.1 GSAA. When Colorado got tired of that, he was relieved by Pavel Francouz who is no longer in the league. They won the Cup anyway.

Chicago won the Cup in 2010 backstopped by Antii Niemi who posted a -19.2 GSAA for his career and came in at -0.8 in the playoffs.

Jonathan Quick is a Hall of Fame goaltender, no denying that. He was atrocious in the 2014 playoffs, posting a -2.3 GSAA. His team won the Cup anyway.

Out of the top 30 performances in the playoffs by GSAA since 2008, only 4 of those have won the Stanley Cup.

It's not just bad goaltenders winning the Cup. It's mediocre to bad goaltending that's winning most of the Cups. Because it doesn't matter.

The 2014 Kings, 2010 Blachkaws, and 2009 Penguins also won the Cup with their goaltender posting a negative GSAA during the playoffs.

Yes, more often than not, the Cup winner has hot goaltending, but the Cup winner literally getting bad goaltending in the playoffs is far from unheard of.

Only Quick (2012), Vasilevskiy (2021), Hill (2023), and Thomas (2011) were truly great during a Cup winning run. The same number of goaltenders since the lockout have been terrible in a Cup winning run.

Didn't Matt Murray play very well in the AHL and the NHL before he got injured? Lots of players get called up from the AHL. Does that make them AHL players?

Binny did spend some time in the AHL. Like some goalies it took some time for him to find his way. Does that make him an AHL goalie? He also was an NHL all star goalie.

Adin Hill won while not having a great career before hand so Ill give you that one.

Cam Ward was a first round pick. He played very well as a young 19-20 year old kid in the AHL and also played very well in the NHL. He won the Conn Smythe trophy and was a NHL all star goalie. To label him a "AHL goalie" is silly imo. He also just became the first pick in the NFL draft so he must be a great athlete!

Goalies matter. Goaltending matters. If you want to say they should not be paid $11 mill a year I can understand but they do matter. You can throw out a few outliers but I doubt you will find any NHL players that will say goaltenders do not matter.