Around the NHL - Part XLIII

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Kakko had very limited options to play with here. Panarin didn't put any effort in when they were together, and the Twins are impossible to play with.

Will he sustain it is the question, and what kind of deal is Seattle going to give him?

 

[LokiDog]

Here’s the real test:

Next year, 25-26, full 82 games with their respective teams, assuming both healthy - if Kakko out produces Lafreniere, we may actually have to burn down the Garden.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Here’s the real test:

It’s 25-26, full 82 games with their respective teams, assuming both healthy - if Kakko out produces Lafreniere, we may actually have to burn down the Garden.

If it's 25-26 with a full healthy 82 games and Kakko.... does what he normally does can we burn down the people who have flooded this thread with all the Kakko shit?

 

[LokiDog]

If it's 25-26 with a full healthy 82 games and Kakko.... does what he normally does can we burn down the people who have flooded this thread with all the Kakko shit?

Feel free, but with how easily triggered some of you have become, you have to worry that the smallest ember could take you all with us.

This is the NHL thread. Kakko is in the NHL. No matter how you feel, it’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him going forward and whether he manages to blossom, just finds better consistency as a middle six guy, or continues to fall on his face. It will also be interesting to see how he and Laf both fare going forward since they were selected a year apart at the top of the draft and deployed and developed similarly, by the same organization, to start their careers.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with an academic interest in watching how this unfolds and trying to analyze NYR’s development of young talent. The only reason people have to not want to hear about it is because they would prefer Kakko continues to suck as it would justify him not being successful here - placing the failure on the player, rather than our organization. I don’t see why I should care. Kakko’s success or failure doesn’t affect the Rangers, nor my personal life. I’m interested for the same reason I watch the league in general - to see what happens.

 

[Leonardo87]

If it's 25-26 with a full healthy 82 games and Kakko.... does what he normally does can we burn down the people who have flooded this thread with all the Kakko shit?

This is why I locked the trade thread. It’s time to move on and worry about our own team and players.

Funny how a guy who was traded several years ago because he was not performing to his potential is in trade talks/rumors to come back to the team he struggled with or didn’t meet his potential. You can’t make this shit up.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Happy to see the league suspend McDavid 3 games for his crosscheck to the head.

Not picking on McDavid. I just always hated seeing star players given different standards and preferential treatment.

I don't mind that but imo Myers was worse and got the same thing, one was heat of the battle the other wasn't. I do also have an issue with the referees letting that go on so long with no call, it's no wonder players snap from time to time

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Feel free, but with how easily triggered some of you have become, you have to worry that the smallest ember could take you all with us.

This is the NHL thread. Kakko is in the NHL. No matter how you feel, it’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him going forward and whether he manages to blossom, just finds better consistency as a middle six guy, or continues to fall on his face. It will also be interesting to see how he and Laf both fare going forward since they were selected a year apart at the top of the draft and deployed and developed similarly, by the same organization, to start their careers.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with an academic interest in watching how this unfolds and trying to analyze NYR’s development of young talent. The only reason people have to not want to hear about it is because they would prefer Kakko continues to suck as it would justify him not being successful here - placing the failure on the player, rather than our organization. I don’t see why I should care. Kakko’s success or failure doesn’t affect the Rangers, nor my personal life. I’m interested for the same reason I watch the league in general - to see what happens.

Clearly joking, but some of the overreactions here (while predictable) have been absurd.

I don't want him to suck either, I've never been one to shit on him (which some, not all, of the people jumping on the wagon now that hes gone have been.) I just think that declaring someone has figured it out away from here after 10 games is premature at best and just looking for and finding a reason to complain at the worst.

It's a trait that has become too common here.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Feel free, but with how easily triggered some of you have become, you have to worry that the smallest ember could take you all with us.

This is the NHL thread. Kakko is in the NHL. No matter how you feel, it’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him going forward and whether he manages to blossom, just finds better consistency as a middle six guy, or continues to fall on his face. It will also be interesting to see how he and Laf both fare going forward since they were selected a year apart at the top of the draft and deployed and developed similarly, by the same organization, to start their careers.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with an academic interest in watching how this unfolds and trying to analyze NYR’s development of young talent. The only reason people have to not want to hear about it is because they would prefer Kakko continues to suck as it would justify him not being successful here - placing the failure on the player, rather than our organization. I don’t see why I should care. Kakko’s success or failure doesn’t affect the Rangers, nor my personal life. I’m interested for the same reason I watch the league in general - to see what happens.

Kakko was the first lottery pick the franchise ever had. Nobody locked the Kakko thread when it was constantly the most active, every day for 6 years the same people were flooding this board with complaints about Kakko.

Suddenly, Kakko is performing well somewhere else, people note it as it happens and threads get locked, people post full meltdowns and it's all apparently bc it's inappropriate to talk about a player not on the rangers? The second highest draft pick in franchise history, who was traded a month ago is somehow beyond the range of discussion?

I'm with @LokiDog. I don't really care about settling arguments on here or whatever. Time will tell on the player and even then nobody is going to change their opinions bc that's how this board has always been about everything.

Kakko is interesting bc he's among the most heavily scrutinized and polarizing players in franchise history. And it's been really weird, bordering on disturbing seeing the concerted effort put into making talking about him seem criminal on here.

People posted about buchnevichs points all the time. This shit isn't new. Seems like the easiest way to kill the conversation is just not to engage in it. The policing of it has been bizarre.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kakko was the first lottery pick the franchise ever had. Nobody locked the Kakko thread when it was constantly the most active, every day for 6 years the same people were flooding this board with complaints about Kakko.

Suddenly, Kakko is performing well somewhere else, people note it as it happens and threads get locked, people post full meltdowns and it's all apparently bc it's inappropriate to talk about a player not on the rangers? The second highest draft pick in franchise history, who was traded a month ago is somehow beyond the range of discussion?

I'm with @LokiDog. I don't really care about settling arguments on here or whatever. Time will tell on the player and even then nobody is going to change their opinions bc that's how this board has always been about everything.

Kakko is interesting bc he's among the most heavily scrutinized and polarizing players in franchise history. And it's been really weird, bordering on disturbing seeing the concerted effort put into making talking about him seem criminal on here.

People posted about buchnevichs points all the time. This shit isn't new. Seems like the easiest way to kill the conversation is just not to engage in it. The policing of it has been bizarre.

I think locking his own personal thread makes sense, he isn't on the team anymore.

If we want to discuss the player thats fine too. I just think the conversation has been incredibly hyperbolic and it's tiring because it's going to lead to the reverse happening when he eventually goes cold and that shit's going to be annoying too.

 

[Cmox]

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If it's 25-26 with a full healthy 82 games and Kakko.... does what he normally does can we burn down the people who have flooded this thread with all the Kakko shit?

Rangers fans are incredibly disgruntled. They were disgruntled for three seasons in a row when they were winning the PT and going to the ECF. Now it's on another level. Kakko is just a symbol of what Rangers fans hate. It still blows my mind why Rangers fans seem to think they're the NY Jets or NY Mets. We're a franchise obviously lacking in hardware but they're a lot closer to the Lamar Jackson Ravens or Josh Allen Bills than the NY Jets.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

6 goals and Kakko didn't get a point. Is he alright?

 

[gabevh3]

This is why I locked the trade thread. It’s time to move on and worry about our own team and players.

Funny how a guy who was traded several years ago because he was not performing to his potential is in trade talks/rumors to come back to the team he struggled with or didn’t meet his potential. You can’t make this shit up.

Nyr should have just traded their high picks for established/ young players... cursed in drafts and development.

 

[leetch99]

Watching some Krakkoen vs Sabres. Kakko looks about the same as he did here, maybe using his linemates better. Daccord is a good goalie.

I watched how he got an assist the other night.....he threw the puck from the corner out to the crease and 3 guys pounced on it . Those type of goals here by the Rangers are a rarity as we seldom crease crash . Sens will give us a lesson in that tonight like Habs did .

 

[LokiDog]

I watched how he got an assist the other night.....he threw the puck from the corner out to the crease and 3 guys pounced on it . Those type of goals here by the Rangers are a rarity as we seldom crease crash . Sens will give us a lesson in that tonight like Habs did .

I think that’s the point of analyzing it all though. Is that a play that works out on 25/32 teams in the league, if not more, because they fundamentally do things like crash the net - and so if you’re a guy who is talented enough to frequently win that loose puck in the corner and have the time/ability to simply get it to the net with regularity, you will be a producer on MOST teams - or is it just luck? If 95% of teams play more sound fundamental hockey than the Rangers and it stands to reason the teams Kakko was on before the Rangers fell into that 95%, is it his fault that what worked for him everywhere else - and may now continue working since he has left NYR - didn’t work here? Or is it perhaps true that we play extremely fundamentally flawed hockey and so not only are these kids not thrown into prime top six roles with leash to make mistakes and learn while playing with top of the lineup talent, but they’re also asked to learn a very incoherent, freewheeling version of hockey that is really only understood by Bread and Zib and Kreider, and doesn’t work/isn’t played elsewhere? Maybe this exact version of Kakko is a 60+ point player elsewhere just by virtue of the other guys on the ice doing the expected fundamental things to finish plays and be where you would expect them to be at a given moment, instead of doing whatever the heck it is our guys do? Why is it SO hard to find a fit on the RW for either the K/Z line or the Bread line? Because these guys want everyone to adapt to their flawed versions of hockey, maybe?

 

[Machinehead]

Feel free, but with how easily triggered some of you have become, you have to worry that the smallest ember could take you all with us.

This is the NHL thread. Kakko is in the NHL. No matter how you feel, it’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him going forward and whether he manages to blossom, just finds better consistency as a middle six guy, or continues to fall on his face. It will also be interesting to see how he and Laf both fare going forward since they were selected a year apart at the top of the draft and deployed and developed similarly, by the same organization, to start their careers.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with an academic interest in watching how this unfolds and trying to analyze NYR’s development of young talent. The only reason people have to not want to hear about it is because they would prefer Kakko continues to suck as it would justify him not being successful here - placing the failure on the player, rather than our organization. I don’t see why I should care. Kakko’s success or failure doesn’t affect the Rangers, nor my personal life. I’m interested for the same reason I watch the league in general - to see what happens.

It's gone beyond this thread and it's gone beyond academic interest. With some people, not you.

It's the same thing as rebuilding or not. I'm willing to hear both sides and I'm more than willing to hear "hey, at least our draft pick is going to be better, maybe it's for the best." I'm very open to complaining after they play like absolute morons and steal points.

And then there's just weirdos who root against the team in every facet because they're weirdos.

 

[ReleasO The KakkO]

Funny how a guy who was traded several years ago because he was not performing to his potential is in trade talks/rumors to come back to the team he struggled with or didn’t meet his potential. You can’t make this shit up.

For me the intrigue in JT is grasping at anyone who can help the Rangers establish any sort of pre-Quinn team identity (Kreider is washed and doesn’t count).

Right now the team identity is a mix of Globetrotters and Keystone Cops. JT Miller makes me think of neither. Fk, I’d have Brian Boyle lace em up now…

 

[Machinehead]

Let me use an example. @Siddi and I have disagreed a lot. I don't want to use "agenda" because it's a dirty word but we all know Zibanejad is his guy. I've been very critical of Zibanejad. I'm never mad at Siddi. I believe he wants to Rangers to succeed. Sometimes we disagree on some things. That's it. If Zibanejad turned into Wayne Gretzky tomorrow, we'd both be happy because the team is succeeding.

If you said "you know, turned into a really good player, maybe the problem is such and such..." that would be absolutely fine. When the attitude is "Kakko sure showed you assholes!" it's like "bro...same team."

It's the same reason I get mad about Brady Tkachuk. I have no problem with "he sure is a good player..." I have a problem with "I hope Brady beats up our softies!"

 

[Siddi]

Let me use an example. @Siddi and I have disagreed a lot. I don't want to use "agenda" because it's a dirty word but we all know Zibanejad is his guy. I've been very critical of Zibanejad. I'm never mad at Siddi. I believe he wants to Rangers to succeed. Sometimes we disagree on some things. That's it. If Zibanejad turned into Wayne Gretzky tomorrow, we'd both be happy because the team is succeeding.

If you said "you know, turned into a really good player, maybe the problem is such and such..." that would be absolutely fine. When the attitude is "Kakko sure showed you assholes!" it's like "bro...same team."

It's the same reason I get mad about Brady Tkachuk. I have no problem with "he sure is a good player..." I have a problem with "I hope Brady beats up our softies!"

 

[Machinehead]

Don't you start now!

 

[Siddi]

Don't you start now!

Mea Culpa! @will1066 made me do it.

Jokes aside, I agree. Disagreement is the seed to fruitful discussions in any fandom.

But the whole "you dont like my kind of "tuffnuss" therefore I hope our players get their faces caved in just to prove my point" or "I wish Buch and Kakko to assimilate into one and score the winning goal against us in the SCF" is asinine.

Like, my brother/sister in [insert your deity of choice]. Are you not also a fan of the same team?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I think that’s the point of analyzing it all though. Is that a play that works out on 25/32 teams in the league, if not more, because they fundamentally do things like crash the net - and so if you’re a guy who is talented enough to frequently win that loose puck in the corner and have the time/ability to simply get it to the net with regularity, you will be a producer on MOST teams - or is it just luck? If 95% of teams play more sound fundamental hockey than the Rangers and it stands to reason the teams Kakko was on before the Rangers fell into that 95%, is it his fault that what worked for him everywhere else - and may now continue working since he has left NYR - didn’t work here? Or is it perhaps true that we play extremely fundamentally flawed hockey and so not only are these kids not thrown into prime top six roles with leash to make mistakes and learn while playing with top of the lineup talent, but they’re also asked to learn a very incoherent, freewheeling version of hockey that is really only understood by Bread and Zib and Kreider, and doesn’t work/isn’t played elsewhere? Maybe this exact version of Kakko is a 60+ point player elsewhere just by virtues of the other guys on the ice doing the expected fundamental things to finish plays and be where you would expect them to be at a given moment, instead of doing whatever the heck it is our guys do? Why is it SO hard to find a fit on the RW for either the K/Z line or the Bread line? Because these guys wants everyone to adapt to their flawed versions of hockey, maybe?

Spot on. Kakko is succeeding because he's playing more and on a team that plays sound hockey. But you know, Hockey's Different Here.

 

[ElLeetch]

"we only need a permanent arena solution, then we will all show up!" right.

Speaking of terrible fanbases, LOL Penguins:

"Our generational talents are near retirement, time to empty the building again and claim poor!"

Pittsburg is the ultimate loser city.

 

[Profet]

"we only need a permanent arena solution, then we will all show up!" right.

Speaking of terrible fanbases, LOL Penguins:

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"Our generational talents are near retirement, time to empty the building again and claim poor!"

Pittsburg is the ultimate loser city.

I'm sure the league will rig it so they get another couple of generational talents soon enough.

From: Mario, Jagr
Right to: Sid, Malkin, Fleury

 

[TheWrongWay]

Rangers fans are incredibly disgruntled. They were disgruntled for three seasons in a row when they were winning the PT and going to the ECF. Now it's on another level. Kakko is just a symbol of what Rangers fans hate. It still blows my mind why Rangers fans seem to think they're the NY Jets or NY Mets. We're a franchise obviously lacking in hardware but they're a lot closer to the Lamar Jackson Ravens or Josh Allen Bills than the NY Jets.

True. I don't feel I'm that way. But one championship since Pearl Harbor and I can understand when fans kinda like...